The War on Christmas: Who won?

[teya]

I agree with Trekkie Mage. It's *not* a big deal. Christmas is in no danger of dying out.

The problem with calling this a skirmish in your culture wars actually takes attention away from the issues you *want* to draw attention to: organized prayer in public schools, religious memorials on public land, acknowledgements of religious history in public seals (e.g. the cross on the mission in the LA County seal), abortion, same gender marriage, and so on.

For the record, on the issues listed, I am against, for, for, for, and for.

In other words, I side with you on some issues and am opposed on others. By arguing against us "progressives" and casting us as demons out to destroy "American culture," you make me less likely to work *with* you on such issues as religious memorials and acknowledgements of religious history.

[Republican_Man]

[teya]

I refuse to participate any longer in this "warfare" that politics has become.

It used to be that politics was the fine art of compromise, that we recognized that, as Americans, we had more in common than what divided us.

That's still true, but you'd never know it by listening to political discourse in this country.

The name-calling, the denigration, the holier-than-thou posturing on *both* sides has to stop.

So, I suppose it depends on what you want to achieve when you give a speech or type out a response here. Do you want to rally those on your side? Do you want to get them riled up and ready to "fight the good fight" again the evil liberals who will destroy everything that is good and holy about America?

Or do you want to convince others, those liberals and moderates, of the wisdom of your position. If that, then you need to look at *how* you present your case.

[Puck]

Any further discussion on RM's speech needs to be sent to him via PM, or perhaps in his TIM if he wants to discuss it. Otherwise, back on the original topic please.
-Puck

[teya]

^ I wasn't responding to his speech. I was responding to his *post*.

[Puck]

[Oddbeani57]

I agree with the afore mentioned in calling it an unnecessary mentality (perhaps quoted wrong...)

The fact that so many people claim to be offended by "Merry Christmas" because of the word within it, "Christ." Though to be realistic, when I am buying Christmas cards, I don't see pictures of the above-named all over them-I see Santa Claus. This particular person has claimed Christmas in the US, perhaps elsewhere in other percentages, and it's not like most people even regard Christmas as a Christian holiday any longer.

Christmas now has become a reason for people to get offended, instead of the way that most people celebrate it with their kids and family--with beliefs of Rudolph landing on their roof and a day or so off from work.

I can certainly see where the fact that Christmas could be offensive if pictures of Christ were everywhere--but they're not. It's Santa, and coming from most Christian perspectives, that in and of itself is offensive, a false idol of sorts.

There isn't a war on anything if people don't make it into one.

[Republican_Man]

Check out Bill O'Reilly's latest column on this issue. I touch on it in my speech as well.

Here's a preview:

[WeAz]

For once I agree with O'Reilly. The only time it will ever happen.

[Republican_Man]

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