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John Luck Pickard Lieutenant
Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 150 Location: Orange Co., NY
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:12 am Helmsman looking at the viewscreen? |
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I don't understand why, and I've mostly noticed this with Tom Paris, the person at helm looks at the viewscreen more often than not, as if it was necessary to see where they're going. Wouldn't it be much more practical to look at the sensors to determine information. It just seems very strange. Watch any battle scene of Voyager and you'll see what I mean.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:33 am |
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I don't think they're looking at the viewscreen to see where they are going. I think it just serves as a good visual aid. Rather then tiny blips, numbers, letters, etc. He can simply see the ship is in front of them, so he should turn left or something.
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:30 am |
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Not only that...but one time they lost sensors or something like that...and Tom said something along the lines of...
"I'm telling you captain, give me a window..." etc...something like he could do better or something. It was rather funny.
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Untitled Commander
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 396 Location: abandoned
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:58 am Re: Helmsman looking at the viewscreen? |
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John Luck Pickard wrote: | I don't understand why, and I've mostly noticed this with Tom Paris, the person at helm looks at the viewscreen more often than not, as if it was necessary to see where they're going. Wouldn't it be much more practical to look at the sensors to determine information. It just seems very strange. Watch any battle scene of Voyager and you'll see what I mean. |
- Well he is the closest to it...why not?
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JupiterPrime Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:11 pm |
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Could you just imagine how silly it would have been....
Paris flying thorugh a battle with all sortsoof explosions and ships flying around, and suddenly someone has to walk across to get from one station to another and he starts flipping out with...
"Hello, battle going on outside, cant see around you caboose, get the hell out of the way"
when hes probably got more accurate information on his console than from teh viewscreen.....
This would have been even more funny in TOS, where the bridge was offset about 30 degrees from dead ahead (always wondered why that was)
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:41 pm |
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It would still be a visual aid. Any pilot could do that. Viewscreens there for a reason
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StarfleetCommand74656 Captain
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 653 Location: On STV
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:49 pm |
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Yeah- they should rely on sensors- but do you drive a car by looking at the GPS?
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JupiterPrime Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:43 am |
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You could...if you had all the sensor data for everything around you , not just where you are located on the map.....it would be just like playing a video game - you are given senory input by the environment and you react accordingly
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ZiriDelvar Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 79
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:22 pm |
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Maybe the helmsman wants to look around. Otherwise, they could omit the bridge position and fly the ship from auxilary control (though I don't think we've actually seen an auxilary control room since TOS).
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JupiterPrime Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:32 pm |
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and that is STILL a viable option - thats why its called AUXILLIARY control - more or less ANY of the major functions functions could be performed fm there - piloting included - all you need is accurate input data for everything around you and you could maneuver the vessel.
Imagine Submariners - they do the same exact thing - they mave terrain maps of te ocean floor and its depths so that they dont go runing into pillars or the ground when the depth changes - and they have no windows to speak of - they rely on accurate topography of the ocean floor, and sonar and radar to get the location of other vessels - so yes it could be done - as it si being done today
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StarfleetCommand74656 Captain
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 653 Location: On STV
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:17 pm |
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JupiterPrime wrote: | You could...if you had all the sensor data for everything around you , not just where you are located on the map.....it would be just like playing a video game - you are given senory input by the environment and you react accordingly |
OK- but not could- Would you?
Well comeon, WOULD YOU?
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JupiterPrime Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:47 pm |
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Theres a difference between driving a car on a static 2 dimensional surface and flying a vessel in a 3 dimensional space such as air or water or space...
If I had accurately terrain mapping and accurate sensor data including other vehicles in the area, their relative size and speed to my own vehicle and I was able to discern minor potholes from an open grating, within a range of a half mile radius at least, and nothing was using any sort of stealth preventing it from showing up on my screen, and I could still guage traffic lights and pedestrains from that sensor data....
...Yeah I probably would
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ILoveHarry Admiral
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 7909 Location: Houston
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:02 pm |
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In a video game you can just start over and get a new life. If you actually crash your space ship b/c you're looking at the little bleeps instead of what's actually ahead of you... Game Over.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:27 pm |
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What she said .
Even if they had all of that say...in a car, you'd still be smart to look at the window/screen, something could pop out that was not on the sensor data
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~Voyager Fanatic~ Super Genius
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 1787
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:13 am |
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Yes, also, it would do the Helms Officer some good to take part in any new interesting discoveries, anomalies, phenomena that appear on the screen for the sake of scientific exploration. Basically, whether a not you are a helms officer, you should ocassionally look up whether or not it is useful or just for fun and interest.
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JupiterPrime Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:22 pm |
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Lord Borg wrote: | What she said .
Even if they had all of that say...in a car, you'd still be smart to look at the window/screen, something could pop out that was not on the sensor data |
But thats part of where the differences lie....your car window, IS a WINDOW where you're seeing exactly what is going on around you in proper perspective and unmodified presentation.
A ship's (or my virtual) viewscreen IS NOT a WINDOW - it is a material capable of holding a projection of desired external (or internal) sensor data at whatever angle and azimuth and zoom I require...just becasue I am FACING directly ahead in relation to my vessel to VIEW my viewscreen, doesnt mean that what I am looking at through my VIEWSCREEN is directly ahead of me, such as when I use aft sensors to see behind me
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djlazerx Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 71
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:11 am |
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try piloting a Jem Hadr ship only their Vorta and first can see what goes on through that lens
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