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| Quote: | The president-elect of the Christian Coalition of America has declined the job, saying the organization wouldn't let him expand its agenda beyond opposing abortion and gay marriage.
The Rev. Joel Hunter, who was scheduled to take over the socially conservative group in January from Roberta Combs, said he had hoped to focus on issues such as poverty and the environment.
"These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," said Hunter, a senior pastor at Northland Church in Longwood, Fla.
Hunter announced his decision not to take the job during an organization board meeting Nov. 21. A statement issued by the group said Hunter left because of "differences in philosophy and vision." Hunter said he was not asked to leave.
"They pretty much said, 'These issues are fine, but they're not our issues, that's not our base,'" Hunter said. |
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Christians like this really irritate me and I'm embarrassed to call them my brothers and sisters. This man wanted to focus on REAL issues and they say that gays and abortions are bigger threats? 
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:57 pm |
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Wow...Gays and abortions are bigger threats then helping hungry people? How disturbing.
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Puck
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:28 pm |
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Abortion isn't a threat. It's an ongoing democide. Over 35 million babies dead since Roe v. Wade? Want to know the real poverty in this country? Real poverty is to decide that a child must die so that you live as you wish. Using murder to get what you want. If we can't get the basics like this right, there is no point in worrying about the other issues. What's truly shameful for Christians is that they have given into moral relativity and choose to turn a blind eye to this issue. I call 35 million dead babies much more than disturbing.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:35 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | Abortion isn't a threat. It's an ongoing democide. Over 35 million babies dead since Roe v. Wade? Want to know the real poverty in this country? Real poverty is to decide that a child must die so that you live as you wish. Using murder to get what you want. If we can't get the basics like this right, there is no point in worrying about the other issues. What's truly shameful for Christians is that they have given into moral relativity and choose to turn a blind eye to this issue. I call 35 million dead babies much more than disturbing. |
I agree that abortion is wrong, but I don't think it was proper of them to get rid of him simply because his priority is poverty and the enviorment. It wasn't like he said that he wouldn't talk about the other stuff.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:04 pm |
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He wasn't fired, he simply chose not to be employed. Personally, I don't see how this is a big issue. It's a private organization that has it's own agenda, and it's not like that's a bad thing. If he doesn't want to represent that organization because he doesn't agree with it, then that's just a personal choice. If he wants he should create his own organization to focus on those issues.
Simple business.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:11 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | He wasn't fired, he simply chose not to be employed. Personally, I don't see how this is a big issue. It's a private organization that has it's own agenda, and it's not like that's a bad thing. If he doesn't want to represent that organization because he doesn't agree with it, then that's just a personal choice. If he wants he should create his own organization to focus on those issues.
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I didn't say he was fired....
Essentially, they did force him out of the position, because he couldn't choose to be their president and focus on those said topics.
Yes it is a bad thing. Not for you obviously, but as a Christian, this hurts me because it increases the stereotype of Christians. This is not simply bussiness. Do you even understand what is at stake here? This goes beyond simple bussiness. It's about the fact that these Christians have taken over the religion and focus on issues that should not be on the forefront of people's minds. Then others ridicule me and other Christians for doing that.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:15 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | Abortion isn't a threat. It's an ongoing democide. Over 35 million babies dead since Roe v. Wade? |
Yeah. Destroying a 250 cell embryo is such a murderous offense....
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:23 pm |
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| Founder wrote: |
I didn't say he was fired....
Essentially, they did force him out of the position, because he couldn't choose to be their president and focus on those said topics.
Yes it is a bad thing. Not for you obviously, but as a Christian, this hurts me because it increases the stereotype of Christians. This is not simply bussiness. Do you even understand what is at stake here? This goes beyond simple bussiness. It's about the fact that these Christians have taken over the religion and focus on issues that should not be on the forefront of people's minds. Then others ridicule me and other Christians for doing that. |
Oh, I must have assumed that by saying "I don't think it was proper of them to get rid of him," that you were essentially saying he was fired. Sorry for the mix up,  Especially taking into account that he wouldn't have even taken office there until January 1st, 2007, and therefore couldn't be forced out of the position. He was also elected. I doubt they could force an elected offical out. And then further taking into account that he himself said that it was a "choice," when he could have seriously damaged the organization by simply saying that they didn't want him there because of his views, which would have therefore assisted his goals of expanding the orgaization's horizons in the long run.
I do understand the issue, and the fact of the matter is that it's a private organization and people recognize it as such. Just like the ACLU. Does anybody with half a brain honestly consider the ACLU's views that of the entire democratic party? No. I suppose you can worry about stereotypes all you want, but if that's the case then there are a lot of other institutions you should be worrying about as well.
And everybody: let's stay on the issue at hand.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:49 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Founder wrote: |
I didn't say he was fired....
Essentially, they did force him out of the position, because he couldn't choose to be their president and focus on those said topics.
Yes it is a bad thing. Not for you obviously, but as a Christian, this hurts me because it increases the stereotype of Christians. This is not simply bussiness. Do you even understand what is at stake here? This goes beyond simple bussiness. It's about the fact that these Christians have taken over the religion and focus on issues that should not be on the forefront of people's minds. Then others ridicule me and other Christians for doing that. |
Oh, I must have assumed that by saying "I don't think it was proper of them to get rid of him," that you were essentially saying he was fired. Sorry for the mix up, Especially taking into account that he wouldn't have even taken office there until January 1st, 2007, and therefore couldn't be forced out of the position. He was also elected. I doubt they could force an elected offical out. And then further taking into account that he himself said that it was a "choice," when he could have seriously damaged the organization by simply saying that they didn't want him there because of his views, which would have therefore assisted his goals of expanding the orgaization's horizons in the long run.
You're forgiven.  Not to mention, you still don't get it. I don't mean it in a literal sense. He was forced to not take the position because of his views. He didn't have to say that they didn't want him there for his views, the article speaks for itself. It says that. If he had made a big deal out of it, that would not expand the oranization's horizons in the long run. That would have made him hated.
I do understand the issue, and the fact of the matter is that it's a private organization and people recognize it as such. Just like the ACLU. Does anybody with half a brain honestly consider the ACLU's views that of the entire democratic party? No. I suppose you can worry about stereotypes all you want, but if that's the case then there are a lot of other institutions you should be worrying about as well.
No, people do not recognize it as such. That is the problem. They lump every single Christian together. Just like when some Muslims do bad things, people then turn around and say Islam is a religion of hatred. Yes...some people DO think that the ACLU represent's the Democratic party.
I do worry about other institutions, but that isn't what the topic is about. It's about this one.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:59 pm |
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I still don't quite get how what you're saying about his not accepting the position he was elected into means that he was forced out. If you're chosen by the majority to represent them, and you don't feel that your views correspond to theirs, then I don't see how that can be being "forced out." That begs the question has to why he ran in the first place, considering he'd know what the issues were and what would be expected.
And I suppose that you and I just have different opinions about what's important as far judging others. I don't see how having a group of ignorant people feel that you're stereotypical is big deal. Afterall: they're ignorant, so what does it matter? I do see where you're coming from, but just don't get how would fit into the grand scheme of the public's opinion of Christianity. Unless the public is dumb in the first place. I'm sure that can't be disqualified as a possible player, sadly enough.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:07 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | Abortion isn't a threat. It's an ongoing democide. Over 35 million babies dead since Roe v. Wade? |
Yeah. Destroying a 250 cell embryo is such a murderous offense.... |
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Look at those pictures and tell me if that is a "250 cell embryo". Life begins at conception, but I have to say that even for those of you who would like to believe otherwise, these babies are much more than 250 cells. Too assume all abortions happen within the first 5 weeks is utter ignorance.
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| Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:31 pm |
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This "Baby" can't do anything without complete support of its mother. Eat, digest, breathe, survive. This so called 'life' has no way of physically surviving outside of the mother. You can't call that life.
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| Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Technically life begins at implantation in the mother's womb.
I find it sickening that they view homosexuality and abortion as more 'Christian' to be fighting against.
What happened to charity? Orphans? Poverty? Education? Clinics? I can think of a hundred more "Christian" fights to partake in.
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| Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:35 pm |
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Especially Homosexuality. What makes you look better? Trying to restrict the rights of a group of people who haven't done anything against you? Or feeding the hungry?
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| Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:40 pm |
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The fact that they've targeted just these two issues makes them seem backwards, paranoid, and close-minded. I haven't heard Christian leaders talk about any kind of charity or good-will in ages. Or at least I can't remember them talking about it.
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