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Republican_Man
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| Quote: | | I can't think of a single meeting that I've attended since leaving high school 32 years ago that started with the pledge. Does this make the various public service groups I've been involved with unpatriotic? |
The aforementioned meetings I go to do start out with it and school starts out with it, but sure, all the other groups at which I've been don't start out with the Pledge. When I was in Boy Scouts they did, but I'm not in that anymore.
Does that make those groups unpatriotic? No; I agree with you. But then again, they never used to start off with the Pledge--and that's the difference. This group has apparently always started off their meetings with the Pledge, and now they're deciding not to do it anymore. They're putting an end to something that's been going on. That's different from never saying it from the beginning.
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TrekkieMage
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| Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:17 pm |
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So it makes them unpatriotic because they decided it wasn't necessary anymore?
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:21 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | So it makes them unpatriotic because they decided it wasn't necessary anymore? |
Not necessarily, but the act is unpatriotic.
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| Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:39 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Kyle Reese wrote: | | Oh come on. It only takes about 10 seconds of our pathetic lives to say it and you don't even have to. They obviously don't like this country. I personally say it every single day and feel damn proud when I do say it. The more I say it, the better I feel. It's a good way for me to start off the day. |
How does it make them not like the USA if they choose not to say it? Also, how does it make you so much more patriotic to say it? I don't think it makes that much difference either way. I think the one scenerio in which the pledge is most patriotic is when a new citizen is being accepted into the country. Other than that, I think forcing school kids to say it every flipping morning diminishes its patriotism.
Oh, and I actually had to say it twice every morning in elementary school. Once in English and once in Spanish. Then junior year I had to hear it every morning during the morning announcements because I started the day at a different place than normal. It just sapped all the meaning out of it for me. |
They didn't "choose" not to say it, they BANNED it. Anyone can choose not to say it, though it pisses me off when they do. And no kids are forced to say it at my school or any other school that i'm aware of. Hell, 9 out of 10 kids at my high school don't say it because they're lazy and just want to talk. They don't give a damn. In JROTC we say it at the beginning of class, so I also say it twice a day.
Jeez, it's not like when you say the pledge you're signing some contract. I hate 90% of teenagers.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:08 pm |
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| Kyle Reese wrote: | They didn't "choose" not to say it, they BANNED it. Anyone can choose not to say it, though it pisses me off when they do. And no kids are forced to say it at my school or any other school that i'm aware of. Hell, 9 out of 10 kids at my high school don't say it because they're lazy and just want to talk. They don't give a damn. In JROTC we say it at the beginning of class, so I also say it twice a day.
Jeez, it's not like when you say the pledge you're signing some contract. I hate 90% of teenagers. |
Most of the kids in my classes - if not all - almost always say it, with a few exceptions at times due to certain things. I've even not stood for it once, though I did still say it (that was because I couldn't stand up - I had to get something ready). But I'll tell you what. On those Wednesdays when I go to those breakfasts I say it at the breakfasts and then at school. I love it. Saying it twice a day, that is.
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Jeff Miller
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When I was in school, I wouldn't have had a problem with reciting it if it didn't have the god part in it. Thats why I never recited it when I was in school, I would stand up but not say it.
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