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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:19 pm Flags of our Fathers |
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Excellent movie. It's not a war movie, but it is. I know that doesn't really make sense, but watch it and it will,
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La Forge Bajoran Colonel
Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 2125 Location: Babylon 5
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Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:36 pm |
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I agree.
It can be a very confusing movie, by the way it is told, if you don't pay attention, but, it is a great movie, all the same. It is by far one of the best war movies (or movies about the war, in this case) that I've ever seen in my life, on the same level with 'Saving Private Ryan', although, both made me shed a tear or two.
I'm gunning that this movie is gonna win some Oscars...Heh.
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teya Commander
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:01 pm |
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It's a film I wish my dad had lived long enough to see--because I would love to talk to him about it.
My dad was a Marine during the Korean War. When I was growing up, he had on his desk a miniature of the Marine memorial. He was a teenager during WWII, and obviously, the image meant a lot to him. As I watched the film, I found myself wondering if that image was what inspired him to enlist. And then I wondered how he felt at being assigned by the Corps to the PR machine as an enlisted PR man, rather than being sent overseas to fight. His job as a Marine became "selling" that war, rather than fighting it.
Did he have the same sort of reservations that these Marines did while on tour? We could have had one hell of a conversation, me and Dad.
The other thing that struck me was the whole notion of an iconic image which encourages the public to either support or not support a war. The photo mentioned as the iconic image of Vietnam was the execution--the guy's brains being blown out on film. I disagree on that one. I think the iconic image that turned Americans against that war was the little girl running, burned by napalm. *We* did that--to a child. I think it was a WTF moment for the American public.
Great film. Hoping to see, at the very least, Picture, Director, Supporting Actor (Adam Beach), and Cinematography noms from Oscar.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:36 pm |
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teya wrote: | The other thing that struck me was the whole notion of an iconic image which encourages the public to either support or not support a war. The photo mentioned as the iconic image of Vietnam was the execution--the guy's brains being blown out on film. I disagree on that one. I think the iconic image that turned Americans against that war was the little girl running, burned by napalm. *We* did that--to a child. I think it was a WTF moment for the American public. |
I've never seen either picture. Care to show them? The first picture I can only guess is the Vietcong kneeling and ABOUT to be shot, but it's not shown. I've never seen a picture of a little girl being set on fire by an American soldier.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:42 pm |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TrangBang.jpg
That's the second picture she's referring to. It's graphic, just to let everybody know.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:20 pm |
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Not that this is the place for it, but the two articles that I read, (because I'd not seen this pic that I remember), both state that the South Vietnamese requested the bombing. Yes, we did it, and we should take ownership, but I don't agree with shouldering the blame.
And back to the movie, I heard a rumor that even though it's still in theaters, it may be out on DVD before the holidays?
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Founder Dominion Leader
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:21 pm |
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IntrepidIsMe wrote: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TrangBang.jpg
That's the second picture she's referring to. It's graphic, just to let everybody know. |
Thanks.
According to Wikipedia, "we" did not do that. The south vietnamese did. Just for clarification.
As for the movie, what does everyone mean it isn't really about the war? I haven't seen it sadly. Is it more about them after WWII and them coping with what they saw or something?
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:23 pm |
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It's more about the men in the photo. You get scenes from the battles, yes. A lot of Iwo Jima and Surabachi, but you also get them dealing with becoming instant "heroes", and how they felt about it. It was more personal than any "war" movie I've ever seen.
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Founder Dominion Leader
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:52 pm |
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Theresa wrote: | It's more about the men in the photo. You get scenes from the battles, yes. A lot of Iwo Jima and Surabachi, but you also get them dealing with becoming instant "heroes", and how they felt about it. It was more personal than any "war" movie I've ever seen. |
Sounds pretty cool. If those rumors you heard were true and it comes out before the holidays, I'm gonna snatch up a copy.
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teya Commander
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:30 am |
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[quote="Founder"] IntrepidIsMe wrote: | According to Wikipedia, "we" did not do that. The south vietnamese did. Just for clarification.
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The issue with the picture as an iconic photo isn't who did it--it was the perception the photo caused among the public back home. And the theme in the film is how the Army used the Iwo Jima photo to affect public opinion--by trotting the three out in the PR effort to rally the civilian population.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:33 pm |
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To this generation, though, something like that doesn't work as well, which is why you'd get the questioning. These days people want to know the story behind the photo, hence this movie.
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