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Lord Borg
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I wouldn't be surprised, because the first thing I thought was something to do with implants on the rib cage.
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Voyager2004
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:49 am |
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| MakeItSo wrote: | | Voyager2004 wrote: | | I always wondered if that was what it was...I never knew for certain...didn't really care, really...but I always thought it was probably part of the uniform...but, since it was a corset...okay... |
I think the corset besides making her boobs look bigger was to make it look like she had Borg implants underneath. |
I guess that's what I always thought, too. I never really thought too much indepth about that....but it probably crossed my mind...and they probably didn't have a problem with it until they said the same thing to themselves...lol
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chaotica
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| Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:11 am |
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Someday maybe I'll get through all four pages of this thread, but my eye problem is one hell of a major disincentive. Anyway, after reading page one...
Za Za Zoom made me laugh with the bit that got criticized by the moderator. Later it got too rough for me though, especially using "autistic" as a pejorative. My understanding is that autistic people can be pretty cool. I'd whack you on the nose with a newspaper if you were here.
Second season Voyager for me was the worst Trek season by far, up until Enterprise came along. The acting was fresher than late Next Gen but the writing was just not there.
Seven's appearance coincides with Voyager's improvement. But it was starting to take shape late in the third season already, anyway. But... Jeri/Seven,
the character and acting, and how she was written, did much to save the program. I'm really sick of people not being able to see past a form-fitting costume to see a good performance... isn't that penalizing the actress for the supposed sexism of the producers?
You know, a universe full of people in baggy uniforms seems rather dead and uninviting to me. We've lost a taste fior living to some extent, if everyone is required to wear black overalls or the futuristic equivalent of a potato sack to be taken seriously. Just as long as the form-fitting stuff isn't manditory, or used on terrible brainless characters who exist just for ratings, I think ONE strong, smart character in a tight jumpsuit is great. I'll bet I'll have the last laugh, and there'll be periods in the future when there are quite a few of those jumpsuits being worn. I'm getting myself frozen, just in case.
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Lynx
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Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:25 pm |
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Season 2 was the best Voyager season and the best Star Trek season ever. All the episodes in season 2 were excellent, except for "Threshold" but that episode is actually watchable if you imagine it as one of Janeway's nightmares after eating to much of Neelix's food.
On e of the best things with season 4 is that ALL characters get their share of the action, not only 2-3 of them which was the fact in the later seasons of Voyager.
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ilikefire208
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:13 pm |
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Jeri most definately did not ruin voyager...dont get me wrong, sometimes she could make problems, but in the beggining, that was what her character was all about...trying to get back to the collective...no matter how she did it
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:50 pm |
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Jeri Ryan? Ruin Voyager?
Oh, no. What ruined VOY for me was the weak stories, and the repeted plotlines (Just how many times did the holodeck break? Hmmmmn?)
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Voyager2004
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| Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:05 am |
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Hey now! Don't get upset at the holodeck breaking. When you're on a ship that can't just have every little thing fixed at a Starbase things are bound to break more than once...  LOL
And that is a good picture! I've never seen it before...
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:28 am |
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Lol now holodeck break can be aloud... Can't be a stiff on a log and not have no fun when you need. Not all the time now. Work is important. 
Yeah that is a good picture... She looks great.
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teya
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| Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:14 pm |
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Must be a publicity shot from Shark. She is looking good.
BTW, here's as good a place as any to note that this week's episode is Jeri's first big episode on Shark, so make sure you tune in or TiVO. Any uptick in ratings could be considered reason to feature her more often. 
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teya
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| Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:28 pm |
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| chaotica wrote: | I'm really sick of people not being able to see past a form-fitting costume to see a good performance... isn't that penalizing the actress for the supposed sexism of the producers?
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Actually, if someone comes to the conclusion that the character or actress is a bimbo because of her costume, then it's not the producers that have a perception problem.
It's a curious thing about our culture--we're so in-your-face when it comes to sexual imagery, but at the same time we're absolute prudes. A woman cannot possibly be smart and sexy. A woman who poses in lingerie can't possibly have half a brain. A character in a catsuit can't be viewed ironically, she must be an idiot catering to the lowest common denominator.
Pretty sad, if you ask me.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:41 pm |
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| chaotica wrote: |
Za Za Zoom made me laugh with the bit that got criticized by the moderator. Later it got too rough for me though, especially using "autistic" as a pejorative. My understanding is that autistic people can be pretty cool. I'd whack you on the nose with a newspaper if you were here. |
I have mild Asperger's Syndrome, although that did not excuse from ranting at Jeri Ryan bashers like that.
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Second season Voyager for me was the worst Trek season by far, up until Enterprise came along. The acting was fresher than late Next Gen but the writing was just not there. |
Actually I though Voyager's second season was among the better seasons for the show, alongside Seasons One, Four and Five, although there was still a lot of mediocre dross jumbled in with brilliant episodes like "Tuvix", "Dreadnought", "Cold Fire" and "Death Wish".
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Seven's appearance coincides with Voyager's improvement. But it was starting to take shape late in the third season already, anyway. But... Jeri/Seven,
the character and acting, and how she was written, did much to save the program. I'm really sick of people not being able to see past a form-fitting costume to see a good performance... isn't that penalizing the actress for the supposed sexism of the producers? |
Yeah, I fail to see how a talented actress such as Jeri Ryan or a relatively well written character such as Seven could conceivably sully an average sci-fi series that was flawed to begin with. And after all these years it's still annoying to see inane critics who think Jeri Ryan cannot act, but considering she turns up on US shows it's not really surprising (I mean millions of US citizens have voted in Bush the Wonder Chimp on multiple occasions and still believe that the Earth was created in six days). And didn't American sports pundit, Tony Kornheiser, compare Jeri Ryan to "famous for being famous" starlets like Zsa Zsa Gabor?
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[email protected]
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| Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:05 am |
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Seven completed Voyager.
When I watch the enitire series start to finish. .and then over again..in those first seasons, I miss her!
And, an example of her talent, as I think she was one of the most talented people on the set, would be the episode where the borg debris field is near and she starts to take on the roles of many different characters. It is hard to switch from character to character like that, and she was flawless.
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KateReba fan
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| Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:20 pm |
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| [email protected] wrote: | Seven completed Voyager.
When I watch the enitire series start to finish. .and then over again..in those first seasons, I miss her!
And, an example of her talent, as I think she was one of the most talented people on the set, would be the episode where the borg debris field is near and she starts to take on the roles of many different characters. It is hard to switch from character to character like that, and she was flawless. |
I thought the multiple personality episode was one of her best pieces. I agree that the way she went between personality to personality was amazing.
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Voyager2004
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| Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:16 pm |
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| [email protected] wrote: | | And, an example of her talent, as I think she was one of the most talented people on the set, would be the episode where the borg debris field is near and she starts to take on the roles of many different characters. It is hard to switch from character to character like that, and she was flawless. |
Ya, because the Director yelled "Cut" when it was time to change personalities...She has plenty of time to sit and evaluate about how each different personality would be, just as a good actress/actor should. I'm not denying her acting capabilities in any way, I like her, but she didn't just switch so quickly on the set as the way we see it in the actual episode.
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parisandcatrina
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| Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:04 pm |
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I haven't see all the ones with her in them but i have seen one and she gets lots of guys to watch it.  
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Untitled
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| Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:30 am |
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You know I reread my old post and I and I thought I'd add something. No I don't think Jeri Ryan ruined Voyager. I think Berman and Braga did.
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calvin
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Joined: 31 Jul 2008
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| Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:13 pm |
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ok, so i haven't actually _seen_ Voyager (i'm trying to download S01E01 right now, but it's been downloading for like 2 days now so...) so maybe i shouldn't weigh in on this discussion until i've seen a few episodes, but i've read some really interesting posts that i couldn't resist commenting on.
i don't think that beautiful/sexy women can't be smart, but this social bias has some basis in reality. if you think about it, people who are good-looking get a lot of leeway in our increasingly shallow/superficial society. as a result, a lot of good-looking women, _and_ men, are able to get by (and even get ahead) without ever developing strong talents or an actual personality.
i don't know if this is the case or not with Seven, but from what i gather she seems like the Voyager counterpart to the character, Data, from TNG. from what i've read of her background she would be a good plot device for exploring the concept of humanity. as i understand it, many Voyager episodes deal with Seven's struggle to regain or reconnect with her humanity, with the help of Janeway and the rest of the Voyager crew--is this somewhat accurate?
on the other hand, i think actresses who want to be taken seriously ought to resist being cast into dolled-up roles that are inserted into shows simply to add sex appeal. and it's easy to understand why audiences would be offended by blatant attempts to manipulate viewers, especially as studio officials are increasingly wresting creative control away from writers & directors and instead steering the creative direction of new programs through focus groups and marketing/advertising studies.
at least we haven't seen any Klingons driving around in Hummer H2's while drinking Mountain Dew...
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RobertBeltranFAN
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| Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:28 pm |
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I think Jeri Ryan actually improved Star Trek:Voyager, after she joined a saw a lot more comedy.
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milan
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| Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:16 pm |
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I could be complaining there were not MORE episodes with Seven. I think there was great potential still in the character that should have been exploited. I was annoyed there were so few episodes about her in the last two seasons. I would have been happier with twice as many at least!
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Captain Digness
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| Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:29 am |
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lol bigger boobs only make tv better!!!!!!!
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Blancie
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| Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:35 pm |
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IMO Jeri Ryan made Voyager better.
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Sev
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| Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:51 pm |
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| Ziona wrote: | | I don't think she ruined the series, per se. I think she vamped up the series a bit and made it a bit more interesting for the, ahem, gentlemen. But Jeri Ryan is a good actress on her own and I think the point of her being there was made and strong. Even if her costuming wasn't completely explained, she still had a purpose. |
does a costume like that really need explanation? if so, let me explain: it's a boob-suit
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beansidhe
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| Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:30 pm |
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| calvin wrote: | | i don't think that beautiful/sexy women can't be smart, but this social bias has some basis in reality. if you think about it, people who are good-looking get a lot of leeway in our increasingly shallow/superficial society. as a result, a lot of good-looking women, _and_ men, are able to get by (and even get ahead) without ever developing strong talents or an actual personality. |
Jeri Ryan was a National Merit Scholar while in high school, and started her college years as a dual major in theater and biomedical engineering before finally settling on theater.
| Quote: | | on the other hand, i think actresses who want to be taken seriously ought to resist being cast into dolled-up roles that are inserted into shows simply to add sex appeal. |
Unless the actress is making a point that a person can be both beautiful and intelligent.
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Marill
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| Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:42 am |
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| Untitled wrote: | | You know I reread my old post and I and I thought I'd add something. No I don't think Jeri Ryan ruined Voyager. I think Berman and Braga did. |
Seconded.
I don't like her, but Scorpion was what made me take notice of the show. I just feel that way too many episodes focused on her when there were 8 other characters. Too much of a bad thing.
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