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WeAz
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 Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:06 pm Saddam Sentenced |
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| Quote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Many Iraqis reacted with jubilation to Saddam Hussein's death sentence Sunday, while others took to the streets in protest.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:12 pm |
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This was/is very heartening news. I'm glad, and I disagree with my church that this punishment should not be used. He deserves death and nothing less than it.
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Kyle Reese
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| Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:19 pm |
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Hear hear. He deserves it for this and countless other crimes against humanity.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:26 pm |
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| Kyle Reese wrote: | | Hear hear. He deserves it for this and countless other crimes against humanity. |
Exactly. Not so sure about the hanging aspect, though, which my mom opposes, but I'm fine with it. I don't agree with it, but I'm fine with them choosing that method to serve out justice. (And it is justice, contrary to what the Vatican would like to call it.)
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Founder
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| Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:46 pm |
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Hanging is excessive and a rather archaic form of punishment. However, if the Iraqs chose it, then that is there will. It's their nation, so I don't care.
I do, however, respect the Vatican not wanting to kill yet another person.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:51 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | Hanging is excessive and a rather archaic form of punishment. However, if the Iraqs chose it, then that is there will. It's their nation, so I don't care.
I do, however, respect the Vatican not wanting to kill yet another person. |
Oh, I respect their decision as well. It is a sensible one, to say the least. I just couldn't disagree more.
And yeah, that's how I feel. It's an excessive action, yes, but the Iraqis chose it and I have no explicit problem with it. I wouldn't want it used in this country, but if that's what they want to do to that tyrant, more power to them.
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WeAz
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| Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:39 pm |
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Well, it was an Iraqi court, so...its their decision. Which I respect.
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PrankishSmart
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:40 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | | Well, it was an Iraqi court, so...its their decision. Which I respect. |
Well thats news to me.
Everyone I speak to is concerned more with the form of death penalty or punishment rather than focusing on the convictions and trial itself.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:06 pm |
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Oh look, a martyr!
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:36 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Oh look, a martyr! |
Do you know what that even is? Because Saddam does not fit that term. Especially considering that most hate him, even the terrorists. Saddam was rather secular, while the terrorists are Islamic fundementalist. Meanwhile, the average civilian hated him since he murdered his own people. The violence in Iraq is over the occupation, not Saddam's removal. He is not a martyr. No one, minus a very few, will remember him as being a good leader.
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Lord Borg
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:41 pm |
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Well said. I watch the news, I can't really see of very many that LIKE Saddam.
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La Forge
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| Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:42 pm |
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The Sunni (I think that's the one) aren't very happy with the decision. Whether they liked him or not, the Shiite (Sp?) and the Sunni thing is a big factor. So, while he may not be a martyr (Founder was right. Saddam is not even close to a martyr), he will be a rallying point to get the Sunni fired up.
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Hitchhiker
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Isn't this kind of merciful?
If one just kills the dictator, either because the act of killing is the revenge or there is confidence that a supreme being will mete out justice in the form of eternal punishment, it doesn't seem very effective. If I really wanted to punish a dictator I would force him to live out the rest of his natural life, watching his country flourish into a stronghold of democracy. Then I would let him die. Presumably he would still get the same eternal damnation for his previous deeds in life, plus he would live with the memory of his precious government crumbling into democracy. Best of both worlds.
There's the whole technicality that Iraq's democracy isn't exactly "flourishing" yet. But with closed circuit TV and isolation from the real world, Saddam would never have to know that.... 
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| Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:10 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Oh look, a martyr! |
Do you know what that even is? Because Saddam does not fit that term. Especially considering that most hate him, even the terrorists. Saddam was rather secular, while the terrorists are Islamic fundementalist. Meanwhile, the average civilian hated him since he murdered his own people. The violence in Iraq is over the occupation, not Saddam's removal. He is not a martyr. No one, minus a very few, will remember him as being a good leader. |
People will be looking towards his death as merely another reason to hate America (although they didn't conduct the trial), especially after Ramsey Clark said that the entire trial was a "mockery of justice." The current insurgents (although not in favor of Hussein), will use that as another reason to continue efforts against the Iraqi police, officials, and Americans as it's simply evidence to them of more American control. And the Sunni are distressed about the decision, which could lead to more violence based on the simple fact that the situation is already fragile with the Shiites (as previously mentioned). He'll be viewed as a martyr to some, for sure.
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