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TrekkieMage
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I was wondering how many people here have seen any of his clips.
My dad just starting watching it a little while ago and has been praising it, and my friend just sent me one of his vids. I thought it was brilliant. Yes, he is taking a liberal stance, yes his is attacking the right-wing blatently, and he isn't ashamed of it. I find a lot of people taking a hard right or left stand try and pretend they're totally fair and balanced, but this guy gets his facts and says what he thinks. And he somehow makes it funny and serious at the same time...
He also hates Bill O'Reilly.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:39 pm |
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He is as unfair and as biased as they get. I liked his show when I first saw it, but then I couldn't stand it once I started watching it more and stuff. He's one of my least favorite media personalities, without a doubt. He's just the biggest jerk.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:21 pm |
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I think you mean Sean Hannity is the biggest jerk 
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:18 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | I think you mean Sean Hannity is the biggest jerk |
Not even close. Sean Hannity is absolutely, positively far from that. He really is. Compared to Oberman, for instance, he's like the nice little grandma that can get forceful sometimes.
I like no commentator more than Hannity. He's about the nicest one of them, I think. O'Reilly's second on my list.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:24 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | CJ Cregg wrote: | | I think you mean Sean Hannity is the biggest jerk |
Not even close. Sean Hannity is absolutely, positively far from that. He really is. |
That's your opninon. You feel he isn't, CJ Cregg does.
Personally, I don't really care, I say, let people spout off at the mouth, if they make them selves look like asses, that's their fault.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:30 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | CJ Cregg wrote: | | I think you mean Sean Hannity is the biggest jerk |
Not even close. Sean Hannity is absolutely, positively far from that. He really is. |
That's your opninon. You feel he isn't, CJ Cregg does.
Personally, I don't really care, I say, let people spout off at the mouth, if they make them selves look like asses, that's their fault. |
And I was expressing my disagreeing opinion as well
The problem is, Oberman's actually got an audience he's continually misleading. That's a danger.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:47 pm |
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He speaks for the left. People like Hannity, O'Reilly and Rush speak for the right. I would argue Rush is detrimental to society because some people swallow is philosophies. Doesn't mean he should be shut up.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:50 pm |
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| Arellia wrote: | | He speaks for the left. People like Hannity, O'Reilly and Rush speak for the right. I would argue Rush is detrimental to society because some people swallow is philosophies. Doesn't mean he should be shut up. |
Save for the protection of children and illegal immigration, I would never say that O'Reilly speaks for me, and I'm on the right.
I don't think Oberman should be shut up. He's just on an actual news show presenting the news, and yet he's incredibly biased and there's nothing to balance him out, and the format calls for balance.
Rush I could agree is detrimental in many respects because of the influence he has and how radical he can be, without giving real arguments to back up his points. I mean, I still listen to him and like to listen to him, but not for the same reasons I did in the past. And though I may agree with him, I have the ability to take what he says with as much salt as I want and to formulate my own opinions. Sadly, many of his listeners don't do that. I used to be one of them.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:57 pm |
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O'Reilly is incredibly biased...
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:59 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | O'Reilly is incredibly biased... |
Well, of course  His show's an opinion show, and that's what he does. He gives his opinion when analyzing the news, so he's biased towards his opinion
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:04 pm |
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What Oblerman's doing...
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:05 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | What Oblerman's doing... |
And he's saying he doesn't like Oblerman...
People, this isn't that complicated.
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| Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:18 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | What Oblerman's doing... |
No, his show isn't an analysis show designed for him to give his opinion. Watch it. His show has mild opinion points, but it's more a creative version of your standard news show. It's designed entirely different from the Factor.
Besides, O'Reilly's quite centrist. Olberman is a far-left guy, a lot more liberal than O'Reilly is conservative. Not to mention that when he presents the news he doesn't go for accuracy or anything. He's not trustworthy. O'Reilly may be opinionated and analytical, but you can trust him for what he does. And you know that he's hired to run an analytical show. Olberman's hired to run a full-out news show. It's not designated as a news analysis show, notwithstanding the fact that he's also incredibly left-wing based.
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| Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:50 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Besides, O'Reilly's quite centrist. Olberman is a far-left guy, a lot more liberal than O'Reilly is conservative. Not to mention that when he presents the news he doesn't go for accuracy or anything. He's not trustworthy. O'Reilly may be opinionated and analytical, but you can trust him for what he does. And you know that he's hired to run an analytical show. Olberman's hired to run a full-out news show. It's not designated as a news analysis show, notwithstanding the fact that he's also incredibly left-wing based. |
Might I ask how you can prove that? From what I can see O'Reilly is far right. Olbermann is median-to-far left. Neither one of them are in the center.
The thing is, they are both attacking eachother. I just happen to find Olbermann's attacks to be slightly more sophisticated and obvious than O'Reilly's. And that's an opinion rather than a fact, as it is my viewpoint on the issue.
For me I don't feel like I can take news on TV seriously anymore. There is no investigative reporting, and all it is is a competition for ratings. If I'm gonna get my news it'll be from a paper or webpage. So if I'm looking on TV, I'm looking for entertainment. The reality is that what is happening in the world right now is so terrifying to me that I can only take it with large doses of humor in a visual format. So I go to places like Olbermann, Stewart, and Colbert. Not for solid facts, but for a good laugh.
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O'Reilly? Far right?  Wow. You're either a far-left liberal or never watch the O'Reilly Factor
For one, he believes global warming is a grave threat. He's an environmentalist.
He doesn't believe in the death penalty, an issue of which conservatives are traditionally supportive.
He's anti-oil company and has entered into a crusade against them. I've gotten sick and tired of him on that issue because he clearly doesn't understand capitalism.
In his book The No Spin Zone, O'Reilly says, "I believe in stringent control of hard drugs, but I would decriminalize marijuana use." You may find libertarians who espouse this position, but not conservatives.
He believes that the government essentially needs to force car manufacturers to implement new technologies, continually talking about how Brazil, for instance, has all these changes to their systems and how we need it in the US.
He believes in a national sales tax, as addressed in the aforementioned book.
He believes Bill Clinton was a good president, merely having an "honesty issue."
He believes the Iraq War is failing and essentially that it was a mistake to go in there.
There are other issues which I cannot recall at present on which he is liberal. The main conservative traits about O'Reilly, for which he is most prominently known, is being a Traditionalist with regards to the Culture War and being for immigration reform, aka fixing our country's illegal immigration problem.
Keith Olbermann? Every time I watch his show all I get is left-wing propaganda. There is little entertaining value to such far-left bashing and media coverage.
O'Reilly's reporting is quite investigative and of great quality, and the analysis on his program is good. Olbermann has some okay qualities to his program (it's creative), but it's just so unfair and vilely biased. If I'm looking for the left-wing perspective, I'd go there, then to Chris Matthews or CNN.
O'Reilly, btw, continually gets e-mails from people from both sides who see the same interview or same commentary and disagree with him. Liberals accuse him of being conservative and conservatives accuse him of being liberal, though the former is more often the case, considering O'Reilly's Culture War stance and illegal immiigration stance in particular. I happen to know two liberals who believe O'Reilly is fair, and there's a pretty liberal individual here who has him as her 2nd favorite commentator.
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For the first time in a while, I agree with RM. Personally, I like Bill. He takes no crap and there are great many Liberal's who are loud mouth and rude, yet no one says anything about them. I don't ALWAYS agree with O'Reilly, I admit that, but I still think he's pretty cool.
He also had the guts to on the Bill Maher show(I'm a big fan) and face Maher's ultra Liberal crowd.
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| Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:30 am |
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| Founder wrote: | For the first time in a while, I agree with RM. Personally, I like Bill. He takes no crap and there are great many Liberal's who are loud mouth and rude, yet no one says anything about them. I don't ALWAYS agree with O'Reilly, I admit that, but I still think he's pretty cool.
He also had the guts to on the Bill Maher show(I'm a big fan) and face Maher's ultra Liberal crowd. |
Maher? You like Maher? My dad hates him, and I don't like him either. We both believe he's a jerk
lol, yeah, first time in a long time. I'd have to say that I agree with Bill 60 to 70 percent of the time, but that's because he often focusses more on the important stories on which we agree, namely the Culture War and illegal immigration. If he put less focus on those issues I think I'd agree with him closer to 55% of the time.
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | For me I don't feel like I can take news on TV seriously anymore. There is no investigative reporting, and all it is is a competition for ratings. If I'm gonna get my news it'll be from a paper or webpage. So if I'm looking on TV, I'm looking for entertainment. The reality is that what is happening in the world right now is so terrifying to me that I can only take it with large doses of humor in a visual format. So I go to places like Olbermann, Stewart, and Colbert. Not for solid facts, but for a good laugh. |
Join the club. The TV news has almost become a tabloid. I prefer the news websites and papers.
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