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 Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:01 pm Minuteman Project Heckled at Columbia University |
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| Quote: | | BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Our top story, one of the Minutemen who lived to tell the tale, joining us now from Los Angeles, Marvin Stewart, who was verbally assaulted last night at Columbia University. All right, let's walk through it from top to bottom. I guess a Republican organization at Columbia invited you guys to speak. You show up on campus, take us through it. |
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As much as I dislike the Minutemen project, I think the people that rushed the stage are animals. I saw two girls that had protested on Hannity and Colmes and they were...well...I can't say the word.
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:04 pm |
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So.... the minute men were attacked?
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:08 pm |
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The stage was rushed. Yes, this was just horrifying. They showed this story on the Factor and Hannity and Colmes last night but I didn't have an article or anything to post this.
There was no justification for this. This is wrong and gives more evidence that many elements of the Left preach free speech but really care not for it unless they agree with it, and I'm tired of this. This also shows the radicalization of colleges.
I feel bad for the leader of the Republican club, who's now being blamed for "setting these radicals up."
This whole situation is just wrong, and I'm not just saying that 'cause I fully, fully support the Minutemen Project.
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:51 am |
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I hated the girls that TRIED to justify what they did.
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:36 am |
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Can I ask here what a MinuteMan is?
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:50 pm |
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| Admiral Dani�l wrote: | | Can I ask here what a MinuteMan is? |
Minuteman, no capital M in "man" 
They're a group that's protesting the weak security on the southern border with Mexico. They set up at points on the border, mostly in Arizona and Texas, sit down with lawn chairs and sometimes guns for defensive purposes only, and when they see an illegal, they notify the proper authorities.
They've been accused of being "racist" and "fascist" and "vigilantes," some of these complaints on this very site alone, but this just isn't true. Bush has called them vigilantes as well, but he just does it because he doesn't want the Americans to know the truth about the deterioration of our security at the southern border.
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WeAz
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:05 pm |
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And now that we are putting national guard on the border, they should be disbanded. Also, why do they have guns, if they are reporting illegals, who are unlikely to be armed.
I support the Mexican and American pilots, who fly over the desert looking for the groups, and drop them supplies, and report them.
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:09 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | And now that we are putting national guard on the border, they should be disbanded. Also, why do they have guns, if they are reporting illegals, who are unlikely to be armed.
I support the Mexican and American pilots, who fly over the desert looking for the groups, and drop them supplies, and report them. |
They shouldn't be disbanded because the government still isn't doing nearly enough. If they disbanded, I'd be unhappy.
And no, that's not true. Illegals may well be armed. It's a defensive measure for some of them to have guns because there may be trouble in that sense, caused by a few illegals. Drug smugglers, for one.
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Well, this new wall should end it.
Ever met one of them RM? I have, and he wasn't a good person. They are vigilantes, and I thought that was illegal.
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:35 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | Well, this new wall should end it.
Ever met one of them RM? I have, and he wasn't a good person. They are vigilantes, and I thought that was illegal. |
No, it shouldn't. A 700 mile fence isn't enough still. We need more action, and the Minutemen are trying to get this done.
And yes, I did meet one of them, and yes, he did seem like a good person. Maybe the person you met wasn't, but you can't brand them all like that.
And they're not taking the law into their own hands. They're merely protesting; hence, they're not vigilantes.
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:07 pm |
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I don't like the Minutmen personally. But I think it was immature what they did at that school.
What did rushing the stage accomplish? It seems that school doesn't care about free speech. Unless of course, the speech is about how America is evil.
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:01 am |
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Thats still free speech.
And they are taking the law into their own hands.
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:05 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | | And they are taking the law into their own hands. |
How so? Notifying the authorities of criminal activity is not taking the law into their own hands.
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:06 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | Thats still free speech.
And they are taking the law into their own hands. |
What's still free speech? Stopping people from speaking? No it isn't...
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:09 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | Thats still free speech.
And they are taking the law into their own hands. |
It would be so lovely if you actually provided some evidence or an argument instead of restating that.
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:57 pm |
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They are stopping immigrants from crossing into the US...is that not being a vigilante.
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| Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:00 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | They are stopping immigrants from crossing into the US...is that not being a vigilante. |
Nope, because they're not actually forcing them to turn back. They're merely stationing themselves in such protest position that it's forcing them to find another route or turn back, but not by means that involve them taking the law into their own hands. And when it comes to notification of the border patrol, that's all they're doing--their civic duty of notifying the proper authorities of illegal activity, which, again, is not vigilanteism(?).
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| Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:02 am |
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A protest is holding a sign and chanting, it's having a sit in on a place with un fair policies, it's hardly "protesting' when you arm your self with a gun, and sit on a border of two countries.
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| Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:05 am |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | A protest is holding a sign and chanting, it's having a sit in on a place with un fair policies, it's hardly "protesting' when you arm your self with a gun, and sit on a border of two countries. |
Gun is for defensive purposes. Gun aside, it is, indeed, protesting. It's just on the border instead of in front of the capitol--which is a more effective form of protesting, mind you. But it's protesting nonetheless.
There's a Minuteman chapter here in Denver. I might see what I can do about supporting it.
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| Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:17 am |
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I'm going to bed, but I wanted to add two things in a second post, so please pardon the double posts.
1. Civil disobedience is another form of protest. Does that involve signs and picketing? Not necessarily. Rosa Parks ring a bell? Boycotts ring a bell? The point is, protesting isn't just standing on the street corner or marching down the capitol with picket signs and so forth. There are numerous other forms of protest than that.
2. When I said I might see about supporting them, I don't mean that literally, because that'd be more of a hassle than I want to go through. But I stand in solidarity with them and their cause--and I just talked to Andy about how I argued in defense about Cubans to a ridiculous friend today, and even said that I would have no problem with a liberation of the country, giving proof that the argument that the Minutemen (of which I am, in spirit) and its supporters are racist is just ridiculous 
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| Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:04 am |
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Well some of them are racist. I've seen tons of videos of them publicly speaking and members of Stormfront, a notorious white supremcist group, are part of the Minutemen. I think the Minutmen started out with normal people that wanted to protect their borders, but now racists have taken a large part of it. I don't think it's just white racists though.
On the other hand, I've seen the other side. The pro-immigrant side and a lot of them are stupid beyond relief. They want open borders and when they march to say they're just as American as anyone else, they wave Mexican flags. It's dumb. Then on top of that, idiots have shown they don't want to allow free speech.
I'm on the fence with both sides.
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| Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:10 am |
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Clearly some of them are racist and clearly some racist organizations support them (as would be expected). You can shift out every racist and prevent racist organizations from supporting you, and what do you think racists are gonna do? Turn away from an organization that happens to support their cause in the most mildest of ways? I don't think so.
But that's the point, and I'm sure you recognize that.
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