| Did Jeri Ryan Ruin Voyager? |
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| Lynx wrote: | | Why the catsuit? |
- It was Jeri Taylor's idea. She said that since Seven was sort of a cold character it was okay for her to be in a body suit. As opposed to Troy who was taken out of her body suit, by Jeri Taylor who was more of an empathetic character.
| John Luck Pickard wrote: | Beginning in the 4th season, everyone who watched Voyager fell into one of the 3 groups I will list. There is no doubt there there are many people that fill all of the billets, as that is just the way people are.
1)They watched the show b/c they were/are Star Trek (in general) or Voyager fans
2)They watched the show b/c they saw Jeri Ryan as something new to the show
or 3)They watched the show b/c they saw Jeri Ryan as a sex symbol.
personally, I fall into #1, but I'm sure there's people in the other 2 as well |
Not me.
| JupiterPrime wrote: | | She may have been brought in under the premise of "sex-symbol savior", but at least she wasnt overtly cast as such... |
- You make a good point.
| Voyager2004 wrote: | | The heels make the women taller...that's why. Kate Mulgrew, Roxann Dawson, Jennifer Lien, and Jery Ryan are fairly short women. |
- Jeri's about 5'7" that's not short for a woman. Though on a side note I would kill to be even the height of the shortest woman of Voyager.
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Voyager2004
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:12 pm |
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^^^LOL...well, I didn't know how tall Jeri Ryan is. But now I do, and as Teya put it, Seven was supposed to be intimidating, and commanding. So being put at eye level with the guys is right where she needed to be...
Why do most woman nowadays wear heels? To be a little taller, and a tad more proportional to their man...the concept is all the same...although my first reason, about the camera, is the correct reason in this case...lol.
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:34 am |
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What exactly did people want Jeri to wear anyways? Starfleet uniform? No, she wasn't in Starfleet.
A bulkly civilian clothing? Why? She is a beautiful woman. Covering her up is stupid and utterly pointless. I'll admit that the suit was probably to sell sex, but it doesn't matter. She turned out to be one of the most complex characters in all of Star Trek.
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Lord Borg
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:39 am |
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| Founder wrote: | What exactly did people want Jeri to wear anyways? Starfleet uniform? No, she wasn't in Starfleet.
A bulkly civilian clothing? Why? She is a beautiful woman. Covering her up is stupid and utterly pointless. I'll admit that the suit was probably to sell sex, but it doesn't matter. She turned out to be one of the most complex characters in all of Star Trek. |
Agreed. Besides, has anyone paid attention to 24th century civilian clothing? It's horrid!
Once again, Pay closer attention to TOS, and TNG.
Not so much as DS9 though but eh....
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Lynx
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:58 am |
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As a matter of fact, there have been many beautiful good female characters on Star Trek but most of them have not been dressed in catsuits and high heels. But eople have liked them anyway.
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Voyager2004
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:51 am |
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Ya, but you know how the better looking ones ended up in Catsuits...? Coincidence? I think not. It's to show off...duh. That's what this world does...show off.
And I happen to not mind 24th century clothing. It's not up to our fashion standards, but it's nice, casual, and functional...
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:18 am |
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Nice? casual? Functional?
Man, even the bathing suits make me cringe.
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teya
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:36 pm |
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| Lynx wrote: | | As a matter of fact, there have been many beautiful good female characters on Star Trek but most of them have not been dressed in catsuits and high heels. But eople have liked them anyway. |
Actually, most females in Trek have been dressed in very skimpy clothing. They're known for costumes that are marvels of engineering. One wonders how some costumes from TOS stayed on. 
Please indicate the "many" beautiful good female characters who did not wear high heels of any sort. Hint: there was one regular who wore flats. Can you guess who it was?
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Voyager2004
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:54 pm |
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Naomi Wildman....?
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | Naomi Wildman....? |
I think you might be right...Although she technically wasn't a regular. She was a recurring character.
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teya
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:30 pm |
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The regular character was not on Voyager. 
Bonus points if you can give the reason she was in flats.
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Lynx
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:48 pm |
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If a catsuit is such an appropriate dress, why didn't they dress all of them in catsuits (well, hopefully not the guys)?
And why didn't Riley (the Borg woman in "Unity") wear a catsuit. She was also a Borg?
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teya
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:02 pm |
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Actually, I think you could blame the catsuit on the Doctor. After all, he designed her clothing. So if anyone had a problem with Seven's attire, one assumes they would have made the point to her--and the Doc.
Makes me wonder if maybe he wasn't behind Kes's catsuits, too. After all, she worked with him. Maybe he was just a lech, trying to get his favorite blondes into catsuits.
But I'm still waiting on the only Trek regular female not in heels. You should know this Lynx. After all, you made the claim that Seven's heels are so inappropriate. So which is the only character who *is* appropriately shod? And why is she the only character appropriately shod?
Hint, it's not your favorite--who wore 2 inch heels.
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Voyager2004
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| Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:13 pm |
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There was no regular that didn't wear heels...Unless Seska is the person that you're talking about. But even then, I think she most likely wore heels, too...
I have a feeling I'm gonna feel stupid for not guessing who this person is when we figure it out...kind of like she was under my nose...
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Lynx
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:30 am |
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| teya wrote: | Actually, I think you could blame the catsuit on the Doctor. After all, he designed her clothing. So if anyone had a problem with Seven's attire, one assumes they would have made the point to her--and the Doc.
Makes me wonder if maybe he wasn't behind Kes's catsuits, too. After all, she worked with him. Maybe he was just a lech, trying to get his favorite blondes into catsuits.
But I'm still waiting on the only Trek regular female not in heels. You should know this Lynx. After all, you made the claim that Seven's heels are so inappropriate. So which is the only character who *is* appropriately shod? And why is she the only character appropriately shod?
Hint, it's not your favorite--who wore 2 inch heels. |
Well, honestly I don't know and frankly I don't care. But if I should guess, then I guess that it was Data's cat.
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teya
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:19 pm |
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| Lynx wrote: | | [Well, honestly I don't know and frankly I don't care. |
Ah, so the whole issue is only an issue because of Seven. Gotcha.
The answer is: Terry Farrell.
And the reason she was in flats?
She's 6 feet tall in her stocking feet.
BTW, this, yes, corroborates Voyager2004's assertion that heels were an issue of height and framing shots. Nothing more.
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Lynx
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:46 pm |
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^^
Well, now when we have sorted out the high heels and why they were used (to make every female except Jadzia taller), then I look forward to the explanation about the reason for the catsuit.
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teya
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:57 pm |
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Doc designed it. As I said, he's a lech.
Actually, the catsuit is simply a nod and wink back to every single female superhero that ever existed. They're all in catsuits.
Except Seven's was ironic--because in her own eyes, she'd lost her perfection when she was severed from the Borg.
And she was the character who had no social life, no romantic life, until the finale. She was dressed sexily, but wasn't sexy.
Irony. A lovely thing.
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Voyager2004
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| Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:38 pm |
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Oh, I thought you were referring to a female character on Voyager...I remember somewhere someone on here had said before that Jadzia wore flats...
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Lynx
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| Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:18 am |
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Well folks, if you really want to believe that the catsuit and high heels were for decorating purposes, just as "a nod and wink to every female superhero" and for making a certain character taller, then I won't question or in any way ruin your beliefs.
It's all in the eyes of the beholder, you know.
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MakeItSo
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| Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:13 am |
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| teya wrote: | | Lynx wrote: | | As a matter of fact, there have been many beautiful good female characters on Star Trek but most of them have not been dressed in catsuits and high heels. But eople have liked them anyway. |
Actually, most females in Trek have been dressed in very skimpy clothing. They're known for costumes that are marvels of engineering. One wonders how some costumes from TOS stayed on.
Please indicate the "many" beautiful good female characters who did not wear high heels of any sort. Hint: there was one regular who wore flats. Can you guess who it was? |
Yeah I remember Deanna Troi on TNG (maybe it wasn't a cat suit) but it was skin tight at times and I remember thinking...oh the sex symbol type stuff for every show. I mean doesn't T'Pol on Enterprise also have a skin tight suit sometimes? And sometimes, Kira also wore skin tight looking stuff. Mind you, they weren't cat suit's like what Seven wore but they all made them look revealing in some areas. Sometimes I don't think it wouldn't have been that big of a deal if Jeri's boob's hadn't been so big looking with the suit.
I read some where that they had her wear a padded bra too...and I've seen the way her boobs look on other shows and they don't look as big as they did on Voyager at times. And I think that was because she was also wearing a corset type thing on Voyager. They made her look sexy but her character usually seemed so aloof and awkward at times, I don't think Seven herself was sexy in her personality. She was just very intelligent. Not that intelligence isn't sexy...but you know what I mean, hopefully. Seven was not trying to be sexy, it was irrelevant...at least in the beginning that is. Her character was one of the most complex on the show which is why I liked her so much.
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| Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:10 am |
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Uh, ya, Troi's uniform was considered a "catsuit" of that particular era...
And Kira's uniform on DS9 was most definitely a catsuit. Designed for that purpose of being a catsuit...granted, Seven of Nine's boobs were made larger on purpose to show that off, while Kira's wasn't, but Kira's was definitely form fitting with the purpose of being a catsuit...as was T'Pol's on Enterprise.
I don't know about Jeri having to wear a corset type thing, it's possible, I don't know...but I am willing to bet that her boobs were so big because of the costume...we saw her several times in normal clothing and they weren't that big, so it's reasonable to assume that the costume was obviously designed to accent her boobs...I don't know about the padded bra, as it doesn't seem to me that it would make much difference with her costume...but anything's possible...
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teya
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| Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:32 am |
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Oh yeah, Trek is famous for its padded bras, too.
The corset is the ribs that show through the costume. Jeri said it was incredibly uncomfortable.
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Voyager2004
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| Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:37 am |
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I always wondered if that was what it was...I never knew for certain...didn't really care, really...but I always thought it was probably part of the uniform...but, since it was a corset...okay...
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MakeItSo
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| Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:00 pm |
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | I always wondered if that was what it was...I never knew for certain...didn't really care, really...but I always thought it was probably part of the uniform...but, since it was a corset...okay... |
I think the corset besides making her boobs look bigger was to make it look like she had Borg implants underneath.
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