Poll: Iraqis back attacks on U.S. troops

[Founder]

[Lord Borg]

Indeed...

They want the soldiers out of their country, anyone would say that really. Not that i am justifying them.

As for the second part? A negitive view is a good thing.

[Republican_Man]

Old news, and I tend to take these polls with a grain of salt, especially considering it's contrary to so many things. I give them very little weight.

[WeAz]

They want us out. Let's give them their wish.

[Republican_Man]

They don't want us out, most of them, for if we did, there'd be mass chaos.
Currently there's no logic towards pulling out anyways. You think going into Iraq has increased terrorism? Try pulling out of Iraq, with all the propaganda that'll give the terrorists. I mean, just look at what al-Qaeda did after we pulled out of Somalia. That was a major drawing for terrorists.

[WeAz]

We increased terrorism by going into Iraq.

[John Luck Pickard]

Can polling in a region where bombing and terrorism are commonplace be considered accurate? In the US, we expect polling margins of error usually around +-2.5%. That article did not list its margin of error, but I imagine it's quite high.

[Republican_Man]

Actually, Picard, it's +-3%, but close enough. (We studied polling in AP Gov.)

And WeAz, if that is so, which I highly doubt, what do you suggest we do now? As I said, and as that same Intelligence Estimate you like to draw that conclusion from says, success in Iraq is necessary for security in the end, and failure would only embolden the terrorists.

[WeAz]

We made a huge mistake by going into Iraq like we did. I agree Saddam needed to be taken out, but that is better served by a sniper, or precision bomb.

[Republican_Man]

Well, okay, fine. Believe what you will about the leadup to the war. The most important thing to do is to consider what needs to be done now. The Dems are so hung up on proving Bush a liar or wrong that they're forgetting what's most important: how to see this conflict through and decrease terrorism after all this, which may or may not, depending on your bias, be a result (an increase in terrorism) of the War in Iraq.
We can't pull out. That much is certain. If we do, we'll not only have another Vietnam on our hands, but in the terrorism age, we'll have another Somalia.

[Founder]

[Republican_Man]

No, I'm not kidding. There may be some chaos, in the Sunni Triangle, but it would be mass chaos if we pulled out now.
I don't buy those polls, which cannot be proven accurate by any stretch of the mean, that say that most don't like our efforts there. That's not what I hear from the vast majority of the troops, the Kurds (as shown in recent TV commercials), and from most every Iraqi I've seen, as well as the democratically elected president and prime minister.
Not only do I not buy the polls, but I don't buy the left-wing propaganda that the US is hated there. That's just isn't so. Most appreciate our efforts. They're just getting, indeed, anxious for the US to leave, but they realize that we need to remain there to get the job done, for them and for us.
Not only that, but again, if we pulled out more, as the NIE suggests in greater detail than the originally leaked ideas, the situation would not only worse, but the terrorists would have a new, powerful propaganda tool to use against the United States like after Somalia. We cannot allow that to happen.
Therefore, even if all the Iraqis did want us to leave, I wouldn't support it. It just cannot be done, for our own security. We cannot leave that country a haven for terrorists and give the terrorists a critical propaganda tool.
We weren't really even fighting al-Qaeda in Somalia, and yet bin Laden used our pullout from that state as a pretext for propaganda which flocked numerous terrorists to his cause. What do you think pulling out of Iraq would do for us? No good at all. The result would be even worse than Somalia.

[WeAz]

The country is religious war, and we're the only ones keeping a bare peace.

Better Somalia then Iran.

[Arellia]

RM, how many soldiers have you spoken to? And other than them, where do you get your information? I should hope it isn't right-wing propoganda, since this is left-wing propoganda.

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And further, how do you personally determine propoganda to what is not?

[WeAz]

I think he only looks at FOX.

[John Luck Pickard]

[Arellia]

I believe I was asking RM, not everyone else's assumptions about him. I could've figured some out on my own. I'm genuinely curious.

[WeAz]

[Puck]

Back on topic now.

[charlie]

I was in Iraq twice because I was a soldier if anyone knows what went down in Iraq it is me. Nothing that I would say would convince you that it was worth going over there. Yeah everyone has a right to an opinion , but unless you was over there; then you don't know what actually went down.

What about all the graves that we found of Saddam killing innocent people cause he wanted them out of the way. Who else would step in and help free Iraq? Tell me one country who had the guts enough to help free the Iraqis? I apologize for my anger but it angers me when I see this. How people think they know what went on in Iraq by the darn news who spin things. On my next post, I will be more calmer. I have to go to work right now, so I don't have time to tell what went on. But, this weekend I will hopefully if nothing bad goes wrong. Most likely I will be on.

[Leo Wyatt]

Can I give you some advise Charlie? Post calmer People might think you are mad.


In my opinion, I think we need to be over there. I am not going to get into it like Charlie is. I let him talk. It's not for me so I will keep out.