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CJ Cregg
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Excellent News!
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:50 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | Excellent News! |
How is that "Excellent News!"? It's a bunch of BS, if you ask me. I mean, I'm fine with it, for the most part, and will still watch it, but I don't think it was anywhere near necessary.
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Arellia
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:17 pm |
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This is downright angering. Censorship? These are the people who are supposedly pro-free-speech no matter what anyone else says. It's so hipocritical it's sick. And it worked. It freaking worked.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:21 pm |
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How is it Censorship? Would you like it if someone made a movie with you in it and then made up a scene which makes you look bad?
Fact is the scene is fake and just makes the Clinton admin look worse that it was.
Conservatives did exactly the same thing with the miniseries "The Reagans". That made some stuff up and was pressured to edit. It did.
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Republican_Man
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| Arellia wrote: | | This is downright angering. Censorship? These are the people who are supposedly pro-free-speech no matter what anyone else says. It's so hipocritical it's sick. And it worked. It freaking worked. |
What do you expect? He's Bill Clinton. Contrary to the belief of my AP Gov teacher, the press loved Clinton, and I expected this outcome because of that. Who would want to have the mark of offending the Clintons? No prominent media outlet I could think of, much less the broadcast networks.
And yes, it is incredibly hypocritical, especially for those people who said the Bush assassination film is okay or Michael Moore's movie is a fantastic picture that everyone should see 
EDIT: The Reagans was different.
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:24 pm |
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The left and the right are BOTH being hypocritical. I said before. They only criticize the other sides movies etc.
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Arellia
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:25 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | How is it Censorship? Would you like it if someone made a movie with you in it and then made up a scene which makes you look bad?
Fact is the scene is fake and just makes the Clinton admin look worse that it was.
Conservatives did exactly the same thing with the miniseries "The Reagans". That made some stuff up and was pressured to edit. It did. |
It's censorship because they won't let anyone else say what they want. What about all the conspiracy theories on 9/11? People putting out lies that Bush orchestrated 9/11? Michael Moore's been mentioned. These are politicians. They get slandered every day, it happens. People are entitled to put into their work whatever they deem fit. You call limiting what can be said and portrayed something other than censorship? I don't care if they put on something about Bush calling the hijackers and telling them go for it. Angry? Sure I'd be angry. Can they do that? They have. And people should be allowed to put forth any cookey theory they want, in whatever form they want.
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By the way, I have no idea what the Reagan thing was about, I have no grounds to comment there.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:46 pm |
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This is hypocritical. Politics tends to be so stupid. How this is even legal, I don't even know. A few mins ago, someone told me in two years they have no one to vote for. I'm going to agree with that statement, and say the same thing.
As for Michael Moore, I hate that Bastard, and I will never watch any of his works again. I feel ashamed for watching "Bowling for Columbine" (Which snuck in an attack on America being at fault for 9/11).
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Republican_Man
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Can't say I disagree with you more on the first part though I do agree wholeheartedly on the 2nd  . As to the candidates one could vote for, if I could vote I have to say Tancredo is definitely the guy I have to vote for, as well as Major Mike Coffman for Secretary of State. They're both excellent men.
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Arellia
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:02 pm |
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I'm voting 3rd party, and to heck with whatever anybody else says. This only entrenches me in my position.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:11 pm |
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I suppose it's decent of them to edit the film to not present all the fictional things (you were partially right, CJ ), but I don't go that far. I don't think it's good news, per se, and I would be entirely fine with them keeping it the way it is, but it's probably better to edit it to not put real people in fictional positions that could hurt their credibility, etc (not that the Clinton Administration's credibility could be hurt much more, of course). If they drop the film, though, or edit it significantly I will not be happy.
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CJ Cregg
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | I suppose it's decent of them to edit the film to not present all the fictional things (you were partially right, CJ ), but I don't go that far. I don't think it's good news, per se, and I would be entirely fine with them keeping it the way it is, but it's probably better to edit it to not put real people in fictional positions that could hurt their credibility, etc (not that the Clinton Administration's credibility could be hurt much more, of course). If they drop the film, though, or edit it significantly I will not be happy. |
what changed your mind?
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:12 pm |
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O'Reilly TPM last night But only a little.
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CJ Cregg
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| Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:01 pm |
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It shows in the US, UK and Australia at 8pm (in their time zone) on September 10th and 11.
That means i get to see it before you!
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:44 pm |
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Idiot I'll still get to watch it at 6:00 both days, though (I'll record it, however, 'cause I'm gonna watch the news for Monday night), 'cause it's two hours behind EST.
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Republican_Man
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I'm watching this now and I knew it! William Sadler, who played Sloan in DS9, stars in this film!!
I couldn't think who it was, but then I realized it was Trek and then Sloan popped in my head. I did a search and I was right.
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Puck
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| Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:33 pm |
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I thought that the first part was great.
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Republican_Man
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| Puck wrote: | | I thought that the first part was great. |
Just finished for me. You too, or earlier?
And yeah, I thought it was as well. I get the parts that the Clinton guys were unhappy about, understandably, and kinda wish the fictional stuff wasn't there because everything's so believable and I want the whole true story, but it was still fine. I thought it was great as well. I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to the second part. Well-done, well-scripted, and everything. It was great indeed.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Puck wrote: | | I thought that the first part was great. |
Just finished for me. You too, or earlier?
And yeah, I thought it was as well. I get the parts that the Clinton guys were unhappy about, understandably, and kinda wish the fictional stuff wasn't there because everything's so believable and I want the whole true story, but it was still fine. I thought it was great as well. I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to the second part. Well-done, well-scripted, and everything. It was great indeed. |
I finished it an hour ago.
And I agree, very well-done over all, and I can see why the Clinton administration is mad...it shows where they screwed up. I kind of have a feeling the Bush administration is in for it tomorrow, so I am kind of surprised they haven't been voicing their concern or anything.
Go ABC! (For airing this.)
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| Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:49 pm |
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I saw it, think it's great, and couldn't care less what Clinton and his cronies think of it. They notion that they had nothing to do with Bin Laden is ridiculous.
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Republican_Man
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Well, no, I can see the fictionalized parts that they didn't like. Like, the Afghanistan raid. That never happened, according to the Administration, and Berger didn't call it off. There were never boots on the ground or something like that. Anyways, that's the one part I found that was fictional, though it wasn't entirely because there is some truth to it. Everything else seems about right, and obviously their mad about that as well, because that was all accurate.
And yes, it's quite clear from the previews for tomorrow that Bush is gonna be in for it.
Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia that I'm inclined to agree with Brent Bozell Hugh Hewitt on with regards to this film:
| Quote: | | Some conservative commentators have responded to the controversy by suggesting that what they call "the deep anger of the Clinton political machine" amounts to "self-serving complaints" and to quibbling about details in what talk radio host Hugh Hewitt described as "a very accurate docudrama" whose main message, according to Brent Bozell, is that "America's intelligence apparatus was woefully unprepared for 9-11, and remains dangerously inadequate today" . Bozell further stated that both "Clinton and Bush officials come under fire, and if it seems more anti-Clinton, that's only because they were in office a lot longer than Team Bush before 9-11. Indeed, the film drives home the point that from our enemies' perspective, it's irrelevant who is in the White House. They simply want to kill Americans and destroy America. The film doesn't play favorites, and the Bush administration takes its lumps as well". Hewitt added that the "program is not primarily about the Clinton stewardship�or lack thereof�of the national security. It is not even secondarily about that. Rather the mini-series is the first attempt�very successful�to convey to American television viewers what we are up against: The fanaticism, the maniacal evil, the energy and the genius for mayhem of the enemy" |
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Republican_Man
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| Founder wrote: | | I saw it, think it's great, and couldn't care less what Clinton and his cronies think of it. They notion that they had nothing to do with Bin Laden is ridiculous. |
Yes. Agreed. I wonder if they're going to show anything about Clinton being offered bin Laden by the Sudan. He openly admitted this and said that he didn't want to take him in because he was a "hot potato." Clinton failed miserably and did more wrong than Bush. But that is, of course, because of the more time that he had--more time to stop the attack and al-Qaeda, that is.
EDIT: Btw, not only does it have Sloan, but guess who plays Condoleeza Rice tomorrow night? Good 'ole Cassidy Yates! Two DS9 characters in a film definitely makes it better 
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Republican_Man
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Just finished watching the film. Once again, it was great, for the same reasons as before. I thought that Penny Johnson Jerald (Kasidy Yates) did a fantastic job as Condoleeza Rice, as did whomever played Madeline Albright. Good film, no doubt about it.
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