What is the origin of the Borg Queen or Queens?

Trekker1977 · **Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:02 pm What is the origin of the Borg Queen or Queens?**

I don't know the answer to this at all. All I know is that the collective can't exist without the queen. Sort of like the queen in a beehive perhaps?

Untitled · **Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:15 pm**

I read a while back on I think it was borg.com or something. The huge borg site. That...

From what I can remember...
I think on some distant planet in the Delta Quadrant, this planet was at war, and some female scientist was enginering a biomechanincal type of creation for I think a medicine or a weapon. Thus Nanophobes came into existance...I think at first she used them on people experimenting their effects.

She became intrigued by them and what they did to these people. I think she had these ideals of perfection...since her world was so imprefect she tried to use these nanoprobes towards her goal of perfection.

She used them on herself (assimlation) and it changed her biology...soon she began replaceing her major organs with machines. And later she began recuiting people into her little 'borg' collective. And later than that when she began to become much stronger - started to assimilate by force.

That is pretty much what I remember from that site. It was a pretty big borg site...don't know if it's still around now today. That was five years ago when I read it though.

MakeItSo · **Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:54 pm**

Untitled · **Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:07 pm**

StarfleetCommand74656 · Captain Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 653 Location: On STV

Though it isn't canon, Christie Golden's Homecoming duology explains it well. Th Borg Qoeen is a computer program downloaded into a selected drone. The Queen is less the leader than the single embodiment of the entire Collective.

Admiral Dani�l · **Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:50 pm**

Ahem the queen's species is borg designated as species: 125. So she can't be a random drone

Lord Borg · **Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:57 pm**

Yeah... they never really canonologiclly explained her Origins yet, her species as said before is 125, so she wasn't always there, theres speculation taht somehow, the species (Or ehr at least...) have some weird ability, and after asimilation somehow took control.

Voyager2004 · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:38 am**

Admiral Dani�l · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:43 am**

Then what does this mean?
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/documentaries/article/4109.html

Voyager2004 · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:43 pm**

Admiral Dani�l · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:49 pm**

Well if we follow "logic" then all are 125

Voyager2004 · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:44 pm**

That's not logic. That's just an assumption. And an assumption that I don't agree with.

Lord Borg · **Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:09 pm**

It was stated the Queen was from that species, there for it is, as a huge impliance is made that the queen is in fact the same one we've seen each time she "Comes back" (We've only seen her actually "die" a couple times). And no, she isn't a random done, that was shown in how she handels the collective.

Voyager2004 · **Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:55 pm**

Hmm...let me rephrase my "random drone" statement. No, it's not a random drone that's chose, but at the same time, it can't be just from Species 125. Because they're bound to run out of females from that species. Not to mention that it's probably not that hard for the Borg to alter the new Queen's appearance slightly.

How many times we've seen the Queen die:

"Best of Both Worlds, pt II"
"First Contact"
"Dark Frontier, pt II"
"Endgame"

We've seen her die 3 times, and then it was implied she died in BoBW. She looked the same in Voyager after she died in FC, then she looked the same in "Unimatrix Zero," after she died in Dark Frontier. And wouldn't you know, that it was in Dark Frontier, (Correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was DF, but it might have been Unimatrix Zero) she said she was from Species 125. Doesn't imply that her former body, in FC was Species 125.

JupiterPrime · Lieutenant Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 208

There was no queen in BoBW - just interaction with THE HIVE in general

Voyager2004 · **Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:05 pm**

MakeItSo · **Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:07 pm**

Untitled · **Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:29 am**

Voyager2004 · **Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:23 am**

Aside from the 30 decks, which could have been just a mere typo, I believe her explanation of how they recreate the Queen. It's a very good explanation. Very believable to the realm of Trek. I rather liked it as to how that's how a new queen is created, and I personally hold that as the correct answer......Until such a time when Trek comes out and says something different.

lionhead · **Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:33 pm**

You people are still discussing the Queens origin and purpose?

Believe me, you don't know unless someone of can write canon explains it to us. But its highly unlikely there is only one since she died twice, that she is unique and without her the borg are lost.

All this proven by her dying in First Contact, she came back afterwards with the same body and the borg where still alive while they where without a Queen. Could also be that they have multiple queens on standby when something might go wrong, but its highly unlikely they have multiple queens working or else we would have seen them already, even though Borg space is huge Voyager crossed it and every time they met the borg they met the same queen as last time. Those are the only facts you can get out of it

But I personally don't believe she is in any kind Individual control of the borg, thats just not the way the borg work. They work as a hive mind, so having 1 central working unit drone that can do the same thing every other Drone can is worthless.

Voyager2004 · **Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:19 pm**

lionhead · **Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:35 pm**

Or, she meant with "You think in such three-dimensional terms." as he thinks "because i could hear her she must have been on that Cube", while she wasn't and talked to him through the collective mind and it felt so close to him...

There is no physical evidence that she was at Wolf 359. Only Picards unlcear, clouded thoughts(he remembers only partially) and the queens cryptical sarcasm.

Voyager2004 · **Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:00 am**

Ya, but he would know, or should be able, to distinguish the difference. Because he knows that she communicates with the entire collective. That the entire Collective can hear her...that she, if she wanted, could do the same with any drone. But he wasn't just any drone. He was a human counterpart...

But, although I do see your point, given that we know that they have undoubtedly created queen after queen each time one dies, I believe she was there at Wolf 359...

And while you're right that there is no "physical" evidence she was there, there is no evidence saying she wasn't. And in my opinion, the evidence that she was there was given in "First Contact" as he remembers that she was "always there."

lionhead · **Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:34 am**

well alright then. i can agree with that.