Living witness...

[EnsignSkelly]

Do you think that living withness is in the right place of the series? I think it is a really good episode, but i was just thinking, that it is meant to be 700 years in the future and then the episode after, goes straight back to normal time. I think it should have gone in a later series. I personally don't think its right, i know the doctor and the other person who made up the "warship voyager" story are talking about normal time, but the crew are obviously dead in this episode, due to the fact no one can live over 700 years, unless you're the doctor. And they just re-apper in the next episode.

[Lord Borg]

Err... I dunno about the episode, but the next episode was obviusly in the "present" its probably an ingore episode as before and after they keep saying they cannot back up the doctors programing.

[Voyager2004]

It's set 700 years in the future...to kind of show how a race of people 700 years in the future remembered their past encounter with the crew...Then the next episode is back to the regular timeline...It's just how a species pieced together their historical encounter with the crew. And how their piecing it together wrong created, yet another conflict until the truth was finally revealed.

Then back on to the normal timeline because the show is about them getting home....

[Meverix]

Yes, also, why is the doctor on earth in endgame when he should still be travelling home from Living Witness 700yrs later?

[Voyager2004]

Because the Doctor in "Living Witness" clearly stated that he was just a back up module. The Doctor in "Endgame" was the REAL program. The primary program in use.

[Meverix]

[Lord Borg]

The whole episode is flawed, it was stated numerious times that he couldn't be backed up, episodes were made surrounding that fact, not to mention, the episodes afterwards this all took place in the present, no one seemed worried that the EMH back up module was missing, something that is a HUGE no-no. Tech is to be recovered at ALL cost (Episodes surround that fact to)

[teya]

^ Yep, it is a flawed premise, but I can live with it, because it's such a great episode with such a strong sci-fi theme--history, how accurate is it?

[Founder]

Yeah, VOY had tons of flawed episodes....

This episode, despite it's glaring flaws, was not bad at all. I think they just wanted to have fun with an "alternate VOY crew". It's funny, in two episodes, this one and the episode "Author Author", the VOY crew had a chance at playing an alternate, "evil" version of themselves. Yet, the series never once had a mirror universe episode.

[Lord Borg]

I noticed that, this is probably due to DS9 doing it so much, and the setting would have been pretty much the same... I considar Living whitness and Author, Author MU eps

[Founder]

I think another reason they didn't do it is because DS9 already established that an MU Tuvok lived in the Alpha Quadrant.

Also, as you said, DS9 had a lot of MU episodes. Just like no Borg in DS9 cause VOY used them a lot.

[Lord Borg]

Yeah, although, seeing say....MU earth would have been cool, or someplace else, but then It could have gotton repititive.

[JupiterPrime]

While Living Witness was a good episode despite its flaws, the entire thing is a violation of the Prime Directive - what I think would have helped it, would have been a more detailed explaination of how the VOY crew met up with the Kyrians in the first place in whatever fashion that allowed the Kyrians to come into possession of a Tricorder, segmented Vessel Schematics, Altered Crew profiles, a Phaser and an EMH backup module.

[Lord Borg]

[Founder]

They had all that technology because one side stole it if I recall correctly. wasn't the story that one side thought they were nice, freedom fighters rebelling against an opressive regime? But the Doctor corrected it and said that really the "oppressive regime" was nice and the "freedom fighters" were really just thugs and terrorists?

[JupiterPrime]

Still doesnt explain what they were doing with all that information to begin with....A tricorder? OK, maybe even a phaser even....2 items easy enough to palm and steal....but I would imagine it would be much more difficult stealing (let alone gaining access to) Vessel schematics, detailed Holographic records of VOYAGER and crew (accuracy notwithstanding), crew personnel files and especially, the existentially questionable EMH backup module, not to mention anything else.

Even if it was just a tricorder - logistics subroutines would have alerted SOMEBODY that said devices were missing from inventory (as was evident from the MAX HEADROOM Time Traveller episode on TNG)

[Lord Borg]

Yeah, exactly, and as I mentioned, there are Starfleet regs that FORBID letting someone keep it, if they steal it, your supposed to steal it back

[sandzombie]

[Meverix]

Something I've found about Star Trek (or at least Voyager) since I started watching it, is that a lot of episodes didn't actually happen. I mean if you wanted to document the crews life or something, you'd have to disregard half the series because due to out-of-sequence episodes, timeline altering etc etc, whole episodes didn't actually happen. Apart from the obvious entertainment factor, we get pretty much nothing from the episode, at least when you consider any character bonds or development, any technological advancement etc. For example, is it Course Oblivion where its about the duplicate crew? That isn't even Voyager! 0_0 why watch it if its not voyager? Okay so in a way, it is but you can pretty much disregard it because its not a part of the REAL voyager's history.

Living Witness is one of those episodes, nothing the doctor did here will have any affect on the crew, they are, after all, dead.

[Lord Borg]

Kind of Out of sequence episodes come from writing flubs, and production flubs where a certain episode is finished first there for aired, or it is forgotton that particular episodes were done out of order in production so when they air, A) a refernce isn't right, or B) a refernce to something that hasn't heppen yet occures

[Voyager2004]

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