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Admiral Dani�l
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Ahem I think it is ridicolous that:
1: You are all making up things to make other characters look good
2: You go make all the tiny good things the best things ever
3: You attack someone when I see that some peeps didnt even read the whole posts.
4: You go fighting and crying when someone doesnt like Kes...
She wasn't a waste of space at the start but we got enough of her and it was time for something new, Jeri Ryan provided a excellent next character for moving on with. If you like Kes that doesn't mean others are that too... it's the same as like watching basketball or soccer or both.
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Lynx
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:58 am |
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| Admiral Dani�l wrote: | Ahem I think it is ridicolous that:
1: You are all making up things to make other characters look good
2: You go make all the tiny good things the best things ever
3: You attack someone when I see that some peeps didnt even read the whole posts.
4: You go fighting and crying when someone doesnt like Kes...
She wasn't a waste of space at the start but we got enough of her and it was time for something new, Jeri Ryan provided a excellent next character for moving on with. If you like Kes that doesn't mean others are that too... it's the same as like watching basketball or soccer or both. |
No, I don't expect everyone to like Kes but I'm tired of the constant trashing of the character and the actress.
"We got enough of her"? Who are "we"? What I know, there were many fans who wanted her to remain in the show.
All of the Voyager characters and actors had their good and weak sides. Maybe Mulgrew, Picardo and Russ were somewhat more skilled than the rest but there is actually not much difference when it comes to good acting between the actors.
As for Jennifer Lien, I think she did a splendid performance most of the time. She really gave life to the character Kes.
As for Kes herself, she was an excellent character in an excellent show with excellent characters.
As for me, I'm not crying but I'm fighting. 
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Leo Wyatt
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Kes wasn't a waste of space but she couldn't stay on Voyager forever. Something was goin on with her powers and if she thought she had to leave in order to save Voyager. I liked Kes. I like Jeri Ryan but they really didn't need her to save Voyager ratings though. Writers are only interested in big boobs. They think if they find someone who has big boobs it will save the show. They don't look for personality. I like Jeri Ryan in other things and other shows. They didn't need to put Jeri in that trashy catsuit. She is way to beautiful to looked trashy in that. They should have found some other suit to put her in. U don't have wear tight things to be sexy.
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Lynx
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:55 pm |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Kes wasn't a waste of space but she couldn't stay on Voyager forever. Something was goin on with her powers and if she thought she had to leave in order to save Voyager. I liked Kes. I like Jeri Ryan but they really didn't need her to save Voyager ratings though. Writers are only interested in big boobs. They think if they find someone who has big boobs it will save the show. They don't look for personality. I like Jeri Ryan in other things and other shows. They didn't need to put Jeri in that trashy catsuit. She is way to beautiful to looked trashy in that. They should have found some other suit to put her in. U don't have wear tight things to be sexy. |
I must remind you that the whole thing with her powers was because TIIC had decided to dump the character as quick as possible. Therefore they came up with the highly unbelievable plot about her powers getting out of control.
With other people in charge, people whodid care for the characters and the stories and not only effects, Kes could have stayed the whole series and more than that.
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:58 pm |
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Well maybe, but she was going to be to powerful. Guess this: Ship comes, attacks Voyager Kes just mind controls the others on the ship wow what a adventure...
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Lynx
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| Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:58 pm |
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| Admiral Dani�l wrote: | | Well maybe, but she was going to be to powerful. Guess this: Ship comes, attacks Voyager Kes just mind controls the others on the ship wow what a adventure... |
as I've written before, the only reason for her accelerating powers were that they were going to dump her. Otherwise she would have had the same powers as in season 1, 2 and 3 so the whole thing with Kes mind controlling the others on the ship would never have happened.
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Seven is better then Kes definately! Not only for her looks but for the story behind her as well. Kes is just: walk around and do some psychic stuff, no story is added to it
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Lynx
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Personally I find Kes and her background story much more interesting than Seven. Kes was definitely more than just walk around and doing psychic stuff, there were a lot of thinking and brave decisions as well.
At least she didn't solve every possible problem with some Borg knowledge. Now that was really boring many times.
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| Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:27 am |
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ok maybe... but what was Kes her story then, I come from Ocampa as a lil slave boom done.
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Kes serverd her purpose for the time she was needed, she exitted at the right time for her character, did what she needed to do, re-entered at the right time for her brief re-entry, and left just as dramatically.
IMO, the characters worked itself out through the season to her logical conclusion....the only thing I cant figure out is the whole thing about Kes examining the Chroniton Torpedo in the prelude/flashback/forward to "Year of Hell", only to be have 7/9 perform that function in the actual episode?
just made no sense to the episode where she evolved and left, making all that future-going-backwards-from-her-point-of-view, seem like.......well......"wasted space".
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teya
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| Lynx wrote: | Personally I find Kes and her background story much more interesting than Seven. Kes was definitely more than just walk around and doing psychic stuff, there were a lot of thinking and brave decisions as well.
At least she didn't solve every possible problem with some Borg knowledge. Now that was really boring many times. |
Actually, Seven's story was a whole lot more than that, but, of course, you wouldn't actually know that since you haven't watched the later seasons. 
Interestingly enough, both Kes and Seven were people removed from the environments where they grew up--Kes by choice, Seven against her will. Both suffered in the process--Kes at the hands of the Kazon, Seven by being removed from the hive mind.
The difference, and what makes one character compelling for me and not the other?
There was no fallout for Kes. Nothing. She was treated like a slave, abused, perhaps raped, and there was no fallout. No psychological scars. Nothing. The experience (for which she would have been woefully unprepared, given that she grew up in a protected environment) had no lasting consequences whatsoever. She was kind, charming, pretty, gentle... and bland.
Seven, on the other hand, was angry, isolated, had to claw her way back to humanity, kicking and screaming all the way. She was a refugee from a brutal regime, trying to fit into an unfamiliar culture. She took steps forward, fell back. She was prickly, rude, difficult to get along with--but still loyal to her new collective. A much more realistic character.
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| teya wrote: | | you wouldn't actually know that since you haven't watched the later seasons. |
Wait a minute. He has stated that he has indeed watched the later seasons...but only ONCE...Just to remind you in case you forgot.
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There was no fallout for Kes. Nothing. She was treated like a slave, abused, perhaps raped, and there was no fallout. No psychological scars. Nothing. The experience (for which she would have been woefully unprepared, given that she grew up in a protected environment) had no lasting consequences whatsoever. She was kind, charming, pretty, gentle... and bland. |
I never thought about that. This is definitely true. I mean, don't get me wrong, I did like her "charming" self...but thinking about how she was IN FACT "abused" and was a "slave" for a short time to the Kazon, she should have had more scars than shown on screen.
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| JupiterPrime wrote: | Kes serverd her purpose for the time she was needed, she exitted at the right time for her character, did what she needed to do, re-entered at the right time for her brief re-entry, and left just as dramatically.
IMO, the characters worked itself out through the season to her logical conclusion....the only thing I cant figure out is the whole thing about Kes examining the Chroniton Torpedo in the prelude/flashback/forward to "Year of Hell", only to be have 7/9 perform that function in the actual episode?
just made no sense to the episode where she evolved and left, making all that future-going-backwards-from-her-point-of-view, seem like.......well......"wasted space". |
Logical concusion...hah! It was never planned from the start.
Kes examining the Chroniton Torpedo in the prelude/flashback/forward to "Year of Hell", only to be have 7/9 perform that function in the actual episode, now that is called falsifying of history. By the way, the episode is called "Before And After" and "Year Of Hell is a lousy written, falsified sequel to that episode.
As for "wasted space", now that's what seasons 4-7 of Voyager are.
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Admiral Dani�l
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Lynx keep it cool...
I liked Year of Hell...
And we both got what we wanted, 3 1/2 months Kes, 3 1/2 months Seven now quit the Kes and Seven stuff.
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Lynx
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| teya wrote: | | Lynx wrote: | Personally I find Kes and her background story much more interesting than Seven. Kes was definitely more than just walk around and doing psychic stuff, there were a lot of thinking and brave decisions as well.
At least she didn't solve every possible problem with some Borg knowledge. Now that was really boring many times. |
Actually, Seven's story was a whole lot more than that, but, of course, you wouldn't actually know that since you haven't watched the later seasons.
Interestingly enough, both Kes and Seven were people removed from the environments where they grew up--Kes by choice, Seven against her will. Both suffered in the process--Kes at the hands of the Kazon, Seven by being removed from the hive mind.
The difference, and what makes one character compelling for me and not the other?
There was no fallout for Kes. Nothing. She was treated like a slave, abused, perhaps raped, and there was no fallout. No psychological scars. Nothing. The experience (for which she would have been woefully unprepared, given that she grew up in a protected environment) had no lasting consequences whatsoever. She was kind, charming, pretty, gentle... and bland.
Seven, on the other hand, was angry, isolated, had to claw her way back to humanity, kicking and screaming all the way. She was a refugee from a brutal regime, trying to fit into an unfamiliar culture. She took steps forward, fell back. She was prickly, rude, difficult to get along with--but still loyal to her new collective. A much more realistic character. |
As a matter of fact, I've watched seasons 4-6 up to "Fury" once. I did quit for a while after "The Gift" but when the rumors of a possible Kes come-back started to fly, I did waste a lot of money borrowing the tapes from seasons 4-5 to catch up with what I'd missed. Then came "Fury" and I did quit.....for good. That episode was downright insulting, a spit in my face and I'll never forget TIIC for that.
As for the difference for the characters, well maybe the Ocampa are stronger mentally than the somewhat fragile humans or Borg or whatsoever. It's also a bit surprising that the same thing Kes is accused for here happened to Picard and Janeway too. They were abused and ill-treated when they were turned into Borg and there were no lasting cosequences whatsoever. I guess that they are pretty bland characters then. Not to mention Paris who is turrned into a lizard, Neelix who lost his whole family in a terrible war and still are the humorous one. Not to mention that he died and was broght back and no lasting consequences whatsoever. And Kim who died, or was it his duplicate or...Not to mentioning Riker, Spock and many others who are totally unaffected by every tragedy or whatsoever. They must be terrible bland.
As for Kes's background story, watch "Before And After" or read "Pathways". Bland? Definitely not!
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| teya wrote: |
There was no fallout for Kes. Nothing. She was treated like a slave, abused, perhaps raped, and there was no fallout. No psychological scars. Nothing. The experience (for which she would have been woefully unprepared, given that she grew up in a protected environment) had no lasting consequences whatsoever. She was kind, charming, pretty, gentle... and bland.
Seven, on the other hand, was angry, isolated, had to claw her way back to humanity, kicking and screaming all the way. She was a refugee from a brutal regime, trying to fit into an unfamiliar culture. She took steps forward, fell back. She was prickly, rude, difficult to get along with--but still loyal to her new collective. A much more realistic character. |
That is the exact reasoning I had for disliking Kes. Even Neelix - who was far too chipper for his own good - had a past that came back and bit him. He reaction to the void, and his reaction to meeting the man who who destroyed his homeworld.
Harry had growing pains in trying to be more, but always turning out to be 'Ensign Eager', we saw that in 'The Disease' and another later episode.
Chakotay (while underdevelped), Tom, and B'Elanna had to deal with their past in the form of anxiety about the future, and the loss of their friends.
Janeway had to face fears of loosing her crew and her control.
The Doctor had to fight prejudice about holograms, and fight to figure out exactly who he was.
And as Teya said, Seven had to fight tooth and claw to be human, and didn't always succeed.
Kes...didn't. She was still innocent and pure, and never actually had to deal with the events of her past or her fears for the future. That's what left a bland aftertaste.
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teya
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| Lynx wrote: | | As for the difference for the characters, well maybe the Ocampa are stronger mentally than the somewhat fragile humans or Borg or whatsoever. |
Maybe, but it doesn't make for interesting drama.
| Quote: | | It's also a bit surprising that the same thing Kes is accused for here happened to Picard and Janeway too. They were abused and ill-treated when they were turned into Borg and there were no lasting cosequences whatsoever. |
True for Janeway--and that bothers me just as much as the lack of consequences for Kes.
Not true for Picard. The repercussions from his assimilation were with him for years, and whole episodes--and indeed an entire *film* ("First Contact") was built around it.
| Quote: | | Neelix who lost his whole family in a terrible war and still are the humorous one. |
Did you watch "Jetrel"? "Once Upon a Time"? "Mortal Coil"? All dealt with the consequences of his experience.
| Quote: | | As for Kes's background story, watch "Before And After" or read "Pathways". Bland? Definitely not! |
Sorry, I don't see anything particularly compelling. She was a child brought up in a dependent culture who left to experience the universe. She went through trials and tribulations at the hands of the Kazon, which she handled with her usual grace and aplomb--as if being abused was as easy to recover from as a headache.
Even in real life that isn't true, Lynx. And, yanno, it's insulting to victims of abuse to make it look like it *should* be so easy.
I guess we can't all be as perfect as Kes.
Funny thing is, Seven was the perfectionist character, the one who had to learn that you can never be perfect, and that part of the beauty of the universe is in its *imperfection*. Sorta like the way a Zen garden will include fallen leaves or a Navajo weaver weaves a mistake into a rug.
And Seven was far from perfect.
Kes was the perfect character. She was perfectly sweet, perfectly charming, perfectly calm and collected. She had no faults.
And that made her unrealistic. And boring.
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| Admiral Dani�l wrote: | Lynx keep it cool...
I liked Year of Hell... |
I agree, I enjoyed it very much as well, especially the irony of it all......where after 200 years of modifying the space/time continuum, the only way for Annorax to make it work out the way he wanted, was for none of it to have ever happened in the first place. (in which case, neither Kes nor 7/9 would have had to scan for the temporal variance of a non existent chroniton torpedo that was never fired, nor pierced Voyager's hull - neat how that works out, isnt it?)
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Lynx
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| Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:39 pm |
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| teya wrote: |
Even in real life that isn't true, Lynx. And, yanno, it's insulting to victims of abuse to make it look like it *should* be so easy.
I guess we can't all be as perfect as Kes. |
Yes, I find it insulting when people criticizes Jennifer Lien for being depressed and not in top shape when they were filming "The Gift". It's insulting to victims of abuse to assume that it should be so easy.
| teya wrote: | Funny thing is, Seven was the perfectionist character, the one who had to learn that you can never be perfect, and that part of the beauty of the universe is in its *imperfection*. Sorta like the way a Zen garden will include fallen leaves or a Navajo weaver weaves a mistake into a rug.
And Seven was far from perfect.
Kes was the perfect character. She was perfectly sweet, perfectly charming, perfectly calm and collected. She had no faults.
And that made her unrealistic. And boring. |
Just like most of the other Star trek characters in that case. Kes is criticized on this forum for the same abilities as most other Star Trek characters are praised for.
Sometimes I have a feeling that Kes is criticized for being Kes, the character which was kicked out from Star Trek Voyager.
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| Lynx wrote: | By the way, the episode is called "Before And After" and "Year Of Hell is a lousy written, falsified sequel to that episode.
As for "wasted space", now that's what seasons 4-7 of Voyager are. |
Hey, Year of Hell was actually a good episode. What are you talking about? Even FOUNDER, of all people, likes that episode...And seasons 4-7 are just a waste of space in....oh ya, YOUR opinion...lol. They're not a waste of space, they, in fact, play a vital role in Voyager....hmm..what's that? Getting voyager home in the 7th season...Oh ya. I almost forgot that...
| lynx wrote: | | It's also a bit surprising that the same thing Kes is accused for here happened to Picard and Janeway too. They were abused and ill-treated when they were turned into Borg and there were no lasting cosequences whatsoever. |
| teya wrote: | | Quote: | | It's also a bit surprising that the same thing Kes is accused for here happened to Picard and Janeway too. They were abused and ill-treated when they were turned into Borg and there were no lasting cosequences whatsoever. |
True for Janeway--and that bothers me just as much as the lack of consequences for Kes. |
Uh, Picard DID have lasting effects from his Borg transformation.
And Janeway never REALLY was Borg...so she of course doesn't have lasting effects. She wasn't abused by them. She never WAS one of them. Tuvok, however, was. But he's Vulcan, so he suppresses those emotions. Janeway was NEVER really PART of the Collective, therefore, not "abused," and therefore she didn't need "lasting" effects.
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| Lynx wrote: | | teya wrote: | Kes was the perfect character. She was perfectly sweet, perfectly charming, perfectly calm and collected. She had no faults.
And that made her unrealistic. And boring. |
Just like most of the other Star trek characters in that case. Kes is criticized on this forum for the same abilities as most other Star Trek characters are praised for. |
Who were perfect characters? I'm trying to think... Help me out here.
What a character needs to be really compelling is a unique trait that sets her apart. What are Kes's traits?
Kes was nurturing--so were Chapel, Crusher, and Troi. Nothing new there. All female to boot. If Kes was a guy--maybe from a species where the males carry the young like in Alien Nation--there would have been a tweak to the character, something that made him interesting. But she wasn't. She was just another female caregiver.
Kes was a telepath, with cool mental powers. And so were Spock, Troi, and Tuvok. Plus a whole lot of ATOW. Mental powers are nothing new or exciting in Star Trek--and are way too often used as a plot device rather than a means for character growth.
Kes was an explorer. Well, so is everyone in Starfleet. Nothing new there.
So what was unique about her?
She only lived for nine years.
TPTB blew it. They didn't see the obvious sitting right in front of their eyes. They knew Voyager would last 7 years. They had a character who would live out a full life during the course of the series--would grow up, mate, and die of old age. What an amazing opportunity to deal all the social and psychological issues that aging entails, all those different facets of a lifetime in one character, a character who had to cram a whole lotta living into a short period of time, and who therefore might have been a bit *impatient* with these long-lived humans, who might have done things simply because she wanted to, without considering the consequences to others. She might sometimes do things we--and Janeway--don't agree with, but we can still see her POV.
What an amazing opportunity for a young actor.
I'll tell you what--if TPTB had given us *that* Kes, she probably would have been my favorite character. She could have been the breakout character. They wouldn't have needed Seven.
But they didn't. They gave us a sweet, curious, innocent, wise beyond her experience. And that just didn't interest me at all because I'd seen it before.
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I don't see Kes as "another female character". She was a more complex and inetersting character than Troi, Crusher, Dax (no offense to those characters, they are great but Kes is better) and many others. Not only because of her mental powers, more because she was a normal girl who used her wit, smartness and courage to face different situations. As such, she was a good contrast to a leader character like Janeway and an action character and somewhat misfit as Torres. As for Kes, the combination of normal innocent girl with the mental powers she got and her way to solve problems the way she did and the way she faced difficult situations made her unique. She wasn't made to be a main character, like Janeway and Chakotay, more a sidekick like Crusher, Troi, Dax or Yar and she was very good at that.
As for those in charge, I'm perfectly happy with the Kes they gave us, one of the reasons I can find some sympathy for them from time to time. However, I do agree that the nine-year Ocampa lifespan and the whole premise for the Ocampa (only one child, the morologium thing which actually contradicts the old folks we saw in the first episode) was flawed to stupidity. It was like they didn't know what they were doing when they came up with that and then they just said, "ah never mind, we continue and see what's happening". But all those things could have been corrected by cutting out that one child crap and giving Kes a longer lifespan which, as we have seen, was possible.
I would also like to point out that Kes wasn't dumped because of any problems with the Ocampa lifespan, lack of fan popularity or anything like that. She was dumped to make room for Seven Of Nine.
As for your suggestion for Kes, I'm very happy that they didn't come up with that one. The story was meant to be about a Federation ship lost in space, not a drama about age and slow death. I think most of us are having enough of that in real life, haven't we? In that case they could have killed of the whole crew by starvation one by one which also would have been realistic.
I'm not an ardent fan of Seven Of Nine, to say the least but I wouldn't dream on making a series where she slowly dies from metal poisoning or any other disease the Borg implants may have caused which also could have been realistic. No, the "death thing" is a bit too sadistic and somewhat painful for me to sit and watch. I'm a nice, sensitive guy, you know.
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Here is my view probably already done said it somewhere on here.
I love Jeri Ryan in anything but Voyager. They really didn't need her, but hey it's too late to fuss about it now. I love Jeri did I mention that lol.
I love Kes too. I said one time they could have kepted her , but after thinking a bit. They couldn't have kepted Kes aboard Voyager. Her powers was getting unstable and she was afraid she would destroy Voyager. You have to think about that . She did send Voyager what a few light years from where they were at. She did that to help Voyager.
I said they didn't need Seven of Nine. They didn't need her in a trashy cat suit. If they would have put something descent on her, then I would say Heck yeah. Jeri Ryan is too darn beautiful to made look like a hocha mama. Voyager writers or whoever made her look slutty. Even though Seven was not slutty.
Men are interested in one thing as I said once before. Boobs. They don't look into personality . Not all men are like that. That catsuit did make her look like she had big ones. I am sure she is probably just naturally or something. But, like I said Kes , it was time for her to go. I pitched a fit some of you may remember on how I thought Kes shouldn't have left. No, I am not flip flopping, just saw others point of view. I do listen you know even if it don't seem like it.
I enjoyed Jennifer Lien in Voyager. I guess the writers just thought they couldn't write for her anymore. Her life span was limited.
Lynx, I can understand your frustration about all this. But, try to see our way too. See I was nice. I even made a bigger post than I usually do. How did I do guys? I didn't even spam thank God. I hope I didn't anyway.
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Lynx
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| Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:42 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: |
I love Kes too. I said one time they could have kepted her , but after thinking a bit. They couldn't have kepted Kes aboard Voyager. Her powers was getting unstable and she was afraid she would destroy Voyager. You have to think about that . She did send Voyager what a few light years from where they were at. She did that to help Voyager.
I enjoyed Jennifer Lien in Voyager. I guess the writers just thought they couldn't write for her anymore. Her life span was limited.
Lynx, I can understand your frustration about all this. But, try to see our way too. See I was nice. I even made a bigger post than I usually do. How did I do guys? I didn't even spam thank God. I hope I didn't anyway. |
I must correct you here. The thing about her powers getting unstable was just a construction made up in "The Gift" to get rid of her as soon as possible. If they hadn't decided to dump her, her powers would never have been "unstable". The whole thing with her "unstable" powers is just a bad excuse to get rid of her and an afterconstruction to justify the dumping of the character.
The Ocampa life-span was a mistake from the beginning. But it wouldn't have been any problem to change that. The Ocampa on Suspiria's array could live until 20 years or more. Their technology could have been used to prolong Kes's lifespan. Or Q or The Doctor could have come up with something.
As for "seeing things your way", OK I can understand that Kes isn't everybodys favorite. We all have different ways of appreciate a character. But the constant trashing of the character and the actress plus the happiness some people show over how she was kicked out from the show is a bit annoying.
There have been characters I've found bland and sometimes annoying too. But I've always seen them as important parts of the Star Trek story and therefore I have accepted them and I've missed them when or if they have left for different reasons.
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| Lynx wrote: | | The Ocampa life-span was a mistake from the beginning. But it wouldn't have been any problem to change that. The Ocampa on Suspiria's array could live until 20 years or more. Their technology could have been used to prolong Kes's lifespan. Or Q or The Doctor could have come up with something. |
2 things about that: Can the doctor extend the life of a human to 200 years old? NO, so it would seem logical that Kes cant get twice as old. And if Q would do that, he would be messing with time and space by altering her. Not to mention the Q counsel wouldn't allow it.
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