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Do you find this film to be in poor taste?
Absolutely. It is nothing short of vile and disgusting.
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Yes.
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Kind-of.
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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 5:55 pm    Death of A President

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British TV to Air Film About Fictional Assassination of President Bush

LONDON � British television channel More4 plans to broadcast a dramatic film, documentary-style, about a fictional assassination of U.S. President George W. Bush, the network's head said Thursday.

Read more at FoxNews.com.


Just saw this on Fox News, and to be honest and blunt, I don't give a damn that the producers of this film say it was not made as an anti-Bush film and was made to show the effects of the War on Terror or whatever crackpot statements they're making, because it so plainly is. You wouldn't be allowed to do this in the US, and for someone to do this in another country is just horrifying.
I also don't care if they say that the reason why it's to be aired on September 10th to coordinate with the Toronto film festival--it's the wrong time to do it and shows even more poor taste for the film.
Everything about it is sickening, wrong, and horrifying. If Bush gets assassinated sometime after this film because some nut takes it and decides to "make something of his life" by killing him, we all know who to blame. What idiots. What idiots.



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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 6:33 pm    

Jesus Christ... the libs are going to have orgasms when they watch this.

(Probably the same ones who said celebrating Zarqawi's death was immoral)


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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 6:37 pm    

Just shows how immature people can be to show hatred over one person. I don't care who the person is that they are doing it to cause it is just sick in my opinion.

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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 6:42 pm    

And especially on the day before the 5th anniversary of 9/11? I mean, come on!


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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 6:44 pm    

I won't judge it until I see it. It sounds like a far left wackos wet dream, but I don't know.

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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 7:01 pm    

I don't think you will get to see it. It's a British TV show, and I doubt the Secret Service would allow it to be shown on TV in this country.

And I'm not reserving judgment for anything. It involves the assassination of a sitting president, and for the first time in history. It's sickening. In America they would probably be charged with a federal offense.



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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 7:11 pm    

Well,... probably in poor taste, yes, I'm sure they've said the same thing about many of our programing, to. Secret service not allowing it? That's the FCC's job isn't it? Anyways, probably not as it's british, but eventually people who want to see it, will be able to see it.

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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 7:19 pm    

Lord Borg wrote:
Well,... probably in poor taste, yes, I'm sure they've said the same thing about many of our programing, to. Secret service not allowing it? That's the FCC's job isn't it? Anyways, probably not as it's british, but eventually people who want to see it, will be able to see it.


No. They were talking about this on the news. When it comes to matters of assinating the president, that falls under the juristiction of the Secret Service.



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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 8:36 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
And especially on the day before the 5th anniversary of 9/11? I mean, come on!


I believe you are wrong there, it wont air to the public until:

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More4, which is the digital offshoot of Britain's Channel 4 network, plans to show the program on Oct. 9.


I will be watching the movie because More4 is a pretty good channel and the guys who made it have made some excellent "what if?" docu-dramas in the past.

I'll trust the director for now.

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"It's not sensationalist, or simplistic but a very thought-provoking, powerful drama," he said. "I hope people will see that the intention behind it is good."


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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 9:20 pm    

I don't know what the deal is with FNC stating on TV something about September 10th, but whatever. There is nothing that's going to get me to approve of a movie documenting the assassination of the current president whether it be a Republican or a Democrat. That is just sickening and can have harmful consequences.
I could care less if More4 has produced "excellent 'what if' docu-drams" because the depiction of the assassination of the President of the United States is wrong, no matter what, plain and simple, no matter what else is included in the film. I won't believe a word the production crew says about it, not a one.



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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 10:51 pm    Re: British TV to Air Film About Fictional Assassination of

Republican_Man wrote:
If Bush gets assassinated sometime after this film because some nut takes it and decides to "make something of his life" by killing him, we all know who to blame. What idiots. What idiots.
Umm, no we won't...they say the same thing about video games too. Has it ever happened?

And I don't think this movie is in poor taste. Look at 24. Last season was all about how a President conspired against his nation for personal gain.
How is it wrong RM? Its just a movie.


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PostThu Aug 31, 2006 11:22 pm    Re: British TV to Air Film About Fictional Assassination of

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Umm, no we won't...they say the same thing about video games too. Has it ever happened?

And I don't think this movie is in poor taste. Look at 24. Last season was all about how a President conspired against his nation for personal gain.
How is it wrong RM? Its just a movie.


I will first give an example of how serious talk of the assassination of a president is. Ann Coulter talked about a story how a football columnist of a college newspaper wrote how when Berkley was playing Stanford, and Chelsea Clinton was a student at Stanford, the columnist said "Let's drag Chelsea's carcus across the field." It was a dumb football column, and what happened? The Secret Service showed up, wouldn't let him out of the house, searched his house, medical records, all that stuff when the above is pretty much all he said in a sports column.

Also, don't you think you would be thinking a little differently if your precious Queen of England were assassinated at gunpoint in a movie? I think you would. It's the same kind of relationship here, only from my perspective, more so (as the president has a lot more power and authority than the queen).

In the words of Ann Coulter about that story, "It's kind of an overreaction, but not even that much of an overreaction. We've had presidents assassinated. We take that sort of thing seriously." And she is right-on. That is the point. We have had presidents assassinated, from Lincoln on to JFK. Ronald Reagan almost died when he faced an attempted assassination. This is a serious issue. There is a reason why the Secret Service interferes when this kind of stuff about a sitting president happens in the United States.

Unlike a video game, this is serious because this is a president that is currently in office and some depressed nutjob could very well see this and get the idea, "Hey, I can make something of my life by assassinating the president." That could happen.

The thing in 24 that you talked about is a false argument in this context because he is not an actual president, and a sitting one at that. You have to under stand the clear, pointed difference. If it were a ficticious president assassinated or something, that would be fine, but an actual president, and one currently serving in particular? It's not like it's a movie following a past presidential assassination that occured and documenting that. That would be a different story, but this is sickening. It's as sickening as that videogame that came out a year or two ago that went beyond a reinactment of the Kennedy assassination. Around the anniversary of his assassination a company released a game where the player took on the role of Kennedy's assassin--and he is a highly respected and admired man, even dead. I felt sorry for Ted Kennedy there.

A reinacment documentary of a past assassination is fine, but having a videogame like this, or enacting the assassination of a current president, is just sickening. I don't understand how you can't see this.

Tonight on Hannity and Colmes you had four people who don't normally agree on one issue at the same time agreeing with me on this: Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter, both prominent conservatives, and Alan Colmes and Doug Schoen (Democratic strategist). All four of them agreed that this was wrong, in poor taste, idiotic, and everything. I don't understand how you can just pass it off like that and say, "It's just a movie."

My favorite president was almost assassinated--the man I consider the 2nd best president the United States has ever had was almost assassinated, and in a manner similar to this (and off which this one is based). One of America's most beloved presidents (JFK) was assassinated. The man most Americans consider our nation's best president (Lincoln) was assinated. And a few more were as well.

Considering these facts, this is a very serious issue here. As Doug Schoen said, "The movie's abhorant. It's disgusting and wrong." And guess what? The liberal Democrat is right. Whether it is fictional or not, it is wrong.

It's not often you get one of the most conservative political commentators to agree with two liberals, you know.



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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 12:28 am    

True. But I don't see how this can inspire someone to kill. I still don't think its a big deal. Besides, the movie is made by the Brit's, which means the Government has no say in the matter.

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 12:35 am    

WeAz wrote:
True. But I don't see how this can inspire someone to kill. I still don't think its a big deal. Besides, the movie is made by the Brit's, which means the Government has no say in the matter.


It could, believe me. It gives someone the idea. This has been shown to happen in instances in the past. Plus it could give some radical Islamist the idea to carry this out, you know? And even if no one does get the idea, that doesn't change the fact that it's entirely wrong and abhorant.

And you're missing the point. I don't mean that it would be preventable in England. I was just expressing how serious a thing it is in the US, which is a basis for why there will undoubtedly be a huge uproar here. In the US that film wouldn't be allowed. That's my point, not that it won't show even in Britain because of the Secret Service.



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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 3:43 am    

I wounder how many people in the US when this film is showed on tv here,

ask there friends to record it and send it to them, or download it iligaly from many places.

I wounder how many US Citizans will download and watch this film.

I d also like to know your views if it was an Associonation of Any Leader say the Queen or some other President what your views are.

sometimes with these kind of shows you have to turn off the fact that it is your area, your leader, your government and see the program for what it is I remember the what if's and I was at first shocked by them, I know that this isnt like the past what ifs and this time they are showing an Attack on a world leader, The what ifs showed how this country could cope under an attack from a terrorst group.

on an off note my favorite what if is the Super Valcano one about Yellow Stone I remember the first time I watched that I was like wow, the daft one about that story is it is true it just hasnt happened yet.

I thought I d add the link from the BBC web site that covers the story for those interested in what the British are saying about this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5302598.stm

well like I asked what would your views be if it wasnt about your President if it was the leader of a differant country


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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 5:02 am    

I wouldn't download it that is for sure. I don't illegally download stuff anyway. I find it crazy and hateful.

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 5:17 am    

Hmm purely fictional. I think an assassination of your president would be pretty much impossible in any case. No need to get bent out of shape for another countries flicks.

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 5:33 am    

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Unlike a video game, this is serious because this is a president that is currently in office and some depressed nutjob could very well see this and get the idea, "Hey, I can make something of my life by assassinating the president." That could happen.

I know people who've been thinking about killing Bush for years. They're not going to watch More4 and suddenly leap up shouting "I'll do it! The TV told me to!"

More4 is a serious channel designed to appeal to intelluctal adults. They show doctumentries all the time that would probably upset your average american. They talk about how disasters could've been presented, and regularly discuss (through "what if?" scenarios) the problems of terrorism and everything else that threatens modern life.

It is a work of fiction. Like the Da Vinci Code. What is it with people having such a problem with fiction? Is it because sometimes the fiction is so much more desirable than the reality?


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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 5:36 am    

I agree. It's all fiction. Who cares. Or more to the point, it's fiction in another country never the less and nothing can be done.

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 9:53 am    

It sounds interesting, it would be with any president. It's just coincedence it's Bush at these times. I'd like to see it, but not illegal. And no I'm not a ANTI-Bush

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 10:06 am    

NEWS FLASH: Dutch TV news pronouncer(I'll translate it):
"The new Bush master(Army Vehicle) is also called cause of the very dangerous president I mean snake "


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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 6:59 pm    

Leo Wyatt wrote:
I wouldn't download it that is for sure. I don't illegally download stuff anyway. I find it crazy and hateful.
You find File-Sharing hateful?

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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 7:09 pm    

I'm just perplexed by this. I don't understand how you could all just pass this as being a reasonable film and not even believe it to be in poor taste.

For God sake, it's a film about the assassination of the (sitting) President of the United States. To answer your question, jonathon, I can think of a few true tyrants who would perhaps be reasonable to portray in a film like this, but not the Queen of England, the Prime Minister of the UK, the President of France, the President of Australia, and so on. That'd still be equally dispicable, but especially so in those countries that have faced the assassination of presidents at gunpoint, like the United States, in the past.

If this were a fictional president based off Bush I wouldn't care so much, but since this is actually about President Bush being assassinated, I care, especially conisdering that I think he's not only a great man but a good president.

Again, I don't give a damn, to be blunt, whether More4 has released good, thought-provoking "what if" programming in the past. This goes way, way to far, to hell and back.



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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 7:17 pm    

In all honesty,

There are many people out there who would probably like to see Bush dead. I am not one of them, although I disagree with much of his actions, or lack thereof. Anyway, More4 is not the typical American standard channel; it deals in 'what if' scenarios.

RM, would you rather the makers of this film set it aside until the day after Bush steps out of office when his term ends ? Would that make it any more okay with you ? I understand and sympathize with the level of respect you have for the President, and I do think it is in frightfully poor taste for anyone to conceive a film about the assassination of a current leader.

However, we have to consider the source. It's More4.

Look at all of the 9/11-related movies that have been released.
How much do you think Nicolas Cage is making off of World Trade Center ? Isn't that in poor taste as well ?

Nevertheless, people have a right to their own 'what ifs' regardless of whether or not it is in good taste to broadcast that scenario to the rest of the world.

I would never dream that ANOTHER assassination of a US President could be possible in this day and age, and somehow I doubt that IF it ever did occur, the culpable party would be accrediting the idea to a documentary UK-based More4 film. He/She would be more likely to use the opportunity to make a point, a powerful statement of hatred toward the current administration and possibly toward Capitalism and/or Democracy.

Again, knowing me, I will probably see the film eventually, but not by illegal means or sources.


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PostFri Sep 01, 2006 7:22 pm    

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How much do you think Nicolas Cage is making off of World Trade Center ? Isn't that in poor taste as well ?


No, it's not. The making of money of the movie is a fact of the film industry, but I think films detailing the events of 9/11 are necessary because we need to be reminded. There is no similarity between the two, none whatsoever.

Yes, I would be more fine with it if it were after Bush left office. I'd be more fine with then saying, "What if Reagan were assassinated?" But the fact is, this is about the assassination of the man currently in office. It is about his assassination. I care as much about the source or the intentions of the film as I don't care about illegal immigration--and that is my number one issue.

If it were about a sitting Democrat in office I would, personally, have the same feelings. It's wrong, no matter what, to detail the assassination of an actual sitting president in a manner like this, no matter how you slice it. It's not an issue you should do a "what if" about while it's still in progress (the term).

To be honest, I'm rather disgusted and surprised at the response I've gotten here. It's really quite disturbing.



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