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PostTue Aug 22, 2006 5:26 pm    Report: Iran Won't Stop Uranium Enrichment

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Report: Iran Won't Stop Uranium Enrichment

TEHRAN, Iran � Iran said Tuesday it was ready for "serious negotiations" on its nuclear program, but a semi-official news agency reported the government was unwilling to abandon nuclear enrichment � the key U.S. demand.

Read more at FoxNews.com.


So Iran comes out today and says, "Hey, we'll negotiate." As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing more than stalling for time. The negotiations won't go anywhere. They can't go anywhere. There's no way to negotiate with such an ideology. This report is guaranteed to be accurate.



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PostWed Aug 23, 2006 6:57 am    

If I look really far into the future, *sigh* another war...

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PostWed Aug 23, 2006 11:44 pm    

We all know this. There is no incentive for Iran to stop its enrichment. The idea that we would impose sanctions is laughable to them--that's how much or credibility has been strained. :/

Sadly relations with Iran figure importantly in the Middle East these days. While I don't mind Iran having nuclear power, I agree that they should not have nuclear weapons (then again, no one should have nuclear weapons). We should start offering Iran some more positive incentives than, "Stop, or we'll sanction!"


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PostWed Aug 23, 2006 11:47 pm    

What incentives do you suggest? If sanctions do occur, and they don't work, what incentives do you think we could give them? Israel? I don't know what we could do. We can't really negotate with these people, with their radical, extremest ideology bent on the destruction of Israel.


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PostThu Aug 24, 2006 12:05 am    

Yes, let us allow them to take over Israel. That seems sufficient.

On a more serious note, we could start by being more friendly and not treating them like they already have the bomb. I recognise that Ali Khamenei's stranglehold, both politically and religiously, on Iran makes it difficult to pursue rational relations. But short of a well-coordinated and successful assassination plot, we'll just have to work around that.

I recommend we send in a crack squad of television executives and start producing television shows in Iran, as well as selling American TV to Iranians. If it can corrupt the Western world well enough, we should have no trouble corrupting them. There may be initial resistance from Khamenei, but once he is assassinated or exposed to The Amazing Race I am sure he will acquiesce.

I think that the key to peace with Iran is not just within Iran, however. It's the entire Middle East. As relations improve with other countries, those countries must then in turn put pressure on Iran to come back into the fold and stop acting like a petulant child. The same goes for Syria.


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PostThu Aug 24, 2006 12:10 am    

But that doesn't solve the essential short-term question. That's long-term, but we need to figure out what to do in the short term. Being "friendly" with Iran isn't something we should do because it shows weakness, and it involves negotiation with an enemy that has already stated that it's goal is to wipe Israel off of the map, and believes the US to be the "Great Satan."

This is a part of my response to an Op-Ed I found stating that we should negotiate with Iran and responded to for AP English over the summer:

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The thought of engaging Syria and Iran in diplomatic talks is equally flawed indeed. Many times have I heard the question posed to a believer that diplomacy with either state has any real possibility of success, �What would you say, sitting down with Ahmadinejad, to get him to cooperate and negotiate a diplomatic solution when he has thumbed his nose at the world community and when his stated goal is the destruction of Israel?� And the response is consistently, �That�s for diplomats to decide,� or, �What is it that you want?� What the Iranian regime wants, it is clear, cannot be negotiated with. Proponents of negotiations with Islamo-fascist, dictatorial regimes like those of Iran and Syria fail to recognize the fact that their mindset cannot be negotiated with. What they want can be matched with no diplomatic solution. Each regime has pretty much been shown to be strong material supporters of Hezbollah, and that organization�s slogan is �Death to America.� There is no rationale behind the idea that the United States, Israel, the United Nations, or any other world power can find a diplomatic solution to the threats posed by Iran and Syria. President Bush clearly discussed his sentiments towards regimes that support terrorism after September 11th, stating that they are against us�that they are our enemies. Iran was even placed alongside the �Axis of Evil,� and justifiably so. There can be no negotiating with this radical element, and if there is, it must be done under the doctrine of �trust but verify.� There is nothing that can be said to either country to stop their support for terrorism or prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Iran has shown its defiance to the world. It even, it seems, orchestrated the Lebanon war for the very reason of diverting attention from the European Union�s incentives package so as to postpone their response and negotiations to a later date. Their ideology is something that cannot be negotiated with. There is no logical rationale behind engaging in talks with these two terrorist states, especially when the leader of one has specifically called for an entire country to be wiped from the face of the earth.


We just can't negotiate with these people. Being "friendly" with them is going to do as much good as giving a chocolate-obsessed child a thousand candy bars to eat whenever he wants and expecting that he won't become obese or gain more than 5 pounds.



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PostThu Aug 24, 2006 12:24 am    

We can't ignore them (because we obviously had such smashing success when we tried that with North Korea and Cuba ). We can't go to war. So what does that leave but diplomacy?

Iran and Syria are here to stay for the foreseeable future, and so we have to talk to them, whether we like it or not. Negotiation is not a show of "weakness". It is a show of maturity. Concessions can imply weakness, but negotiation is not about concession. It is about tricking the enemy into thinking they have won!

I'm not really sure why a government is ready to go to war but doesn't bother with assassination. Wouldn't it make more sense to kill just Khamenei rather than attempt a costly military operation to kill thousands of Iranian soldiers who have been trained to be loyal to their cause?


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PostThu Aug 24, 2006 12:31 am    

It wasn't lack of negotiations with North Korea that caused the situation we're in now. It was negotiations that caused it. The 1994 Agreed Framework most notably placed incriminating nuclear waste beyond reach of inspectors; abandoned Clinton�s reasonable expectations that North Korea would abide by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty, which the dictator promised to follow through with, which required the regular inspection of nuclear sites; and, most importantly, gave North Korea the materials required to make nuclear weapons under the promise and unreasonable expectation that they would not continue to seek to develop WMD. Negotiations didn�t work to prevent North Korea from launching missiles in 1997, did it? In fact, if it weren�t for the Clinton administration�s foolish diplomatic agreement with the Pyongyang regime, and the Agreed Framework, the world would not be in the situation with North Korea that it currently is. It served to do nothing but act as a retreat. Appeasement once again proved not to work. So what makes us think that negotiations with Iran and Syria will have any more success than they already have?
Next, what would negotiations have gotten us with Cuba? I don't see anything that could have benefited us from negotiating with Cuba, and I don't think negotiations with Iran will get anywhere.

Tell me, Tach. I know you're a Canadian, but the United States enlists you to be the ambassador to Iran. You are sent there to negotiate the halt of Iran's nuclear weapons program. Knowing what you know now--that Iran wants the destruction of Israel, that the US is scoffed upon as being the "Great Satan," and that Iran is a breeding ground for radical Islam and a strong supporter of terrorism which could give WMDs to terrorists--what would you say? What would you do? How would you carry out the negotiations?

((I don't think I'll be able to respond to the post, though, 'cause I gotta hurry and finish this AP US assignment and get to bed. I'll be sure to examine your response later.))



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PostThu Aug 24, 2006 12:54 am    

Republican_Man wrote:
Tell me, Tach. I know you're a Canadian, but the United States enlists you to be the ambassador to Iran. You are sent there to negotiate the halt of Iran's nuclear weapons program. Knowing what you know now--that Iran wants the destruction of Israel, that the US is scoffed upon as being the "Great Satan," and that Iran is a breeding ground for radical Islam and a strong supporter of terrorism which could give WMDs to terrorists--what would you say? What would you do? How would you carry out the negotiations?

What's this United States ambassador stuff? Ambassador, singular?

We should send multiple ambassadors (fleets of diplomats), from as many nations as possible (especially Middle East Islamic nations), not just from the United States. The idea is to show Iran that they aren't dealing with the United States--they are dealing with the world (surprisingly, the United States is not the world).

I don't pretend to understand Iran. Better people than I have made a study of it--heck, I don't even know its history. How am I supposed to propose fixing Iran? I would need to first study it in depth and look at why the country is the way it is right now, why religion runs so radically, etc.

The only way, however, to ever convince Iran to back down from such a position is to give it a way to save face. I have a feeling that starting a war is not going to disabuse them of their nation of the U.S. as "the Great Satan". Ignoring them will just make them feel angry and sulky, and motivate them to cause more political mischief just to get noticed. Negotiating with them shows them that we are ready to treat them as a world power to be reckoned with. We have to coax Iran, gradually, into opening up relations with the rest of the world, so that cultures can mix and come together and form a greater understanding.


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