De-Canonization of episodes?

[Lord Borg]

If you could do this, what episodes would you do? And please, no answering stuff like "The entire series of Enterprise becuse I didnt like the show" that's not really an answer....

Off the top of my head (It's late I should be sleeping, can't meant to be writing something else...)

Voyager
Threshold
URG, this ep was HORRIBLE Yeah, Gene had mentioned warp ten couldn't be reached years ago when doing TNG Pre-production, but then they not only do it in this episode, but it de-evolves people. Of course the plot device is that it's to big a risk to do it on Voyager, even though they have the cure and it was days before Paris started transforming. . I should also mention, that much of the production staff, and the staff of Paramount considar this epside to have sever scientific flaws and discount it. Brannon Bragga actually admits he feels this is the single worst episode he has ever wrote (Close,...there's one other i considar worst, your about to see it....)

Enterprise
These are the Voyages...
Good God, I don't even know where to begin with this episode. It was so horrible, much much worst then the previous mention episode. The only thing it has going is I could watch this one more often then the previous episode mentioned above. I mean, the freaking char's are no differnt then what we saw in Terra Prime, an ep that was before this one, and 6 years ago (TATV takes place in 2161, TP takes place in early 2155) That and the fact they were all holographic guest stars in an episode of their own series, Riker and Troi were the main stars in this episode, portraying their chars from TNG's "The Pegasus" (BTW, that episode is now ruined for me..., to bad it had a FUNNY begining) and this is eleven years after the episode and they look quite aged (Well, yeah their human, that's life but that's not the point) Not to mention in this episode we find out he (Riker) ran to the holodeck to get some insight before making a tough decision, in the TNG episode it looks like he did it because it was the right thing to do, and people were in trouble, not because of watching a hologram of the NX-01 crew.... Like many other fans, I will considar Terra Prime the last episode of Enterprise, something that is rare for me, I am willing to "skip" an episode.

The Next Generation
The Pegasus
I'm sorry but I have to include this episode on my list, thanks to what they did in Enterprise's "These are the Voyages", this episode is now ruined for me. When I ever I watch it, I will remember what they did in TATV, besides ruining Enterprise and making Riker and Troi the main chars, they made it so that for Riker to make an important decision, he went into the holodeck, and not well, just decide to do the right thing when the time came for him to be a freaking man and make the right decision. Eh, I can't rant on about this anymore.

Deep Space Nine
None
As of this writing, I haven't seen any episode of DS9 that I disliked so much I'd be willing for it to be decanonized.

The Original Series
None
I have not seen any episode of TOS that I feel needs to be decanonized.

[Founder]

Good topic LB. Figures it's been left unposted in...

I'd have to say...get rid of every episode involving the...Temporal Federation.

Starting from VOY to all the episodes in ENT that had them. I loved the idea of a Temporal Cold War, but not the involvement of the Temporal Federation. It could have been between various species, and maybe even the NORMAL Fed, but the temporal Federation ruins everything. No mystery left at all.

As for the Doctor's mobile emitter? I like it, keep it, but make it alien technology.

I honestly hate that more than Threshhold and These Are The Voyages...

Now, there episodes the imply the Fed. exist in the future. Berlingoff Rasmussen stole a ship from someone from the 26th century. This one I don't mind so much, because it isn't really a temporal Federation. It's more of some historian. I can imagine a temporal historian. I can even imagine a branch of Starfleet that monitors time. Thats fine. But fixes it? It makes NO SENSE. Where were they when Kirk took a women from the 20th century and allowed to LIVE in the 23rd century? How about the Bell Riots? First Contact? ENT-D crew going into 19th century Earth? Janeway raping time to bring her crew home earlier? Where were they then? It's a crap idea and needs to be de-canonized or worked on A LOT.

[luit14]

Hmm, I don't know if I would have it decanonized, but in "Force of Nature" in TNG they say that warp drive is tearing up space. But then throughout the rest of Trek they just forget that. Kinda bugs me.

[lionhead]

I agree with Lord Borg on the "Treshold" and "These are the voyages" episodes being decanonized. If that would happen the shows will be lots better.



Time Travel episodes i don't have any problems with.



I would also like to decanonize "Regeneration" ENT 2x23

As nothing in that episode makes sense. Except i liked what happened in the beginning(i still feel sorry for the fellow that started scanning the drone)

[Founder]

[Lord Borg]

I'll agree they probably shouldn't have done the Borg episode, but it also kind of works, at the end they send a transmission to the Delta Quad, which arrives in about 200 years, works for the TNG episode the Neuatral Zone where the colonies are disapearing and we learn later on it was the BOrg, despite some fans saying there was never any refernces before the ep Q Who? Clearly, if one does research, the borg were planed ahead before the first episode was aired, way way before it.

[La Forge]

I don't know if I would de-canononize the episode, seeing as all it needs is a proper explanation and I like said episode, however, "The Host" bothers me, because, we never receive an explanation for the differences in the Trill of DS9 and TNG.

I wouldn't decanonize it. I just want an explanation. However, I do pretend that Odan wasn't really a Trill or perhaps a sub-species. That would be a good explanation right there.

[Lord Borg]

Well, in all fairness the host came first So DS9 should have explained

[La Forge]

I know. However, we see the DS9 Trill more. J/k

So...I'd like an explanation from either source. Please. Anyone.

[Hitchhiker]

[luit14]

Hitchhiker's always got the answers. Thanks man.

[lifeguide]

I do not understand why everyone says Threshold was a poor episode.

The crew did modifications to the shuttle, did tests and finally did a trial run.

Now the premise of the episode is sound and all that needs to be explained is why humans deevolve when subjected to those high speeds.

As for the actual writing or acting in the episode I thought it was okay, it isn't the best episode ever made but I can think of worse, Tuvix comes to mind (I mean if you isolate and rematerialise a perosns molecules or atoms then why don't they just do it, before they actually did and let us out of our misery, the moral was okay but the story was very weak), and what about that absolutley ridiculous good for nothing episode where seven fights The Rock, I mean come on that is in the final for worst ST episode ever, nothing happens, obviously a cost cutting episode.

And what about Shades Of Grey from TNG. So Riker gets bitten by a tree trunk, big deal. On the video they have great episode like Peak Performance where that Zakdorn gets his comeupence from Data and then they ruin the video with an episode like Shades Of Grey.

And what about that episode with the Edo and thier "god". I would of thought that was worth more study.

As for the episodes I would decanonize I will have to get back to you, so leave the frequencies open.

[monroe]

"the choute" - voyager
i don't know why, i just dislike the episode, it was weird and didn't make sense to me.