Bush Set to Use First Veto on Stem Cell Research

TrekkieMage · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:47 pm Bush Set to Use First Veto on Stem Cell Research**

Bush Set to Use First Veto on Stem Cell Bill
Despite Divided GOP, President Says He Will Not Ease Restrictions on Federally Funded Research

Hm. Considering the support for stem cell research, and the divided Republican views on this, I'm really surprised he's risking vetoing this. Especially since he hasn't vetoed anything yet. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the fall.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

I am not sure what this bill entails, but I am assuming it is for embryonic stem cells. If this is true, then I am very glad that he will veto it. At the same time, I am hoping that the two measures that the GOP is working on will pass. "One of the bills would encourage research into creating stem cell lines without destroying human embryos. The other would ban the creation of a fetus solely for the purpose of destroying it and harvesting its body parts." This is what I hope to see.

Republican_Man · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:29 pm**

To answer your question, yes, it deals with embryonic stem cells, but ones that would otherwise be disposed, I believe.

La Forge · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:19 pm**

I don't have anything agains embryonic stem cell research. I don't believe that an embryo is a person, yet, seeing as it isn't sentient or whatever, yet, so...Veto it if you want, Bush. I don't care. However, I think he is just being stupid.

Republican_Man · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:25 pm**

I don't think it's stupid, not in the least, but I don't believe in embryonic stem cell research unless the embryos would be otherwise discarded, which I think this bill does. If it's embryos going to be discarded anyway, I'm fine with it. Otherwise, it is immoral and wrong.

La Forge · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:49 pm**

I agree on that if the embryo is going to be discarded, anyways, all the better, however, I don't believe that using a live embryo is immoral. An embryo is NOT a person. It is little more than a cell. A developing person. It is NOT sentient. It has no will. Plus, stem cell research can further the development of mankind. "Killing", if you can even call it that, a few embryos isn't immoral. They're not alive.

Republican_Man · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:55 pm**

From your perspective. From my perspective, and that of President Bush, life begins at conception, and because a human embryo is a human embryo, it is human life. You can disagree with that, but that's from where President Bush and I derive our positions.

La Forge · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:03 pm**

I respect your opinions and beliefs. Just not the President's.

I'm joking....maybe...

LightningBoy · **Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:31 pm**

This is the kind of stuff I hate. Perfect example of media bias.

"Bush Set to Use First Veto on Stem Cell Bill"
...it really should be:
"Bush Set to Use First Veto on Embryonic Stem Cell Bill"

I applaud the President. It is not right to take a life to enhance another life. I reccomend the song "The Great Debate" by Dream Theater

We're reaching
But have we gone too far
Harvesting existence
Only to destroy
Carelessly together
We are sliding
Someone else's future
Four days frozen still
Someone else's fate
We are deciding
Miracle potential
Sanctity of life
Faced against each other
We're divided
Should we push the boundaries
Or should we condemn
Moral guilt and science
Have collided
Turn to the light
We defy our own mortality these days
Turn to the light
Pay attention to the questions we have raised

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Republican_Man · **Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:32 pm**

Wow! What a historic day. Bush actually cast a veto. Wow.

Link, the Hero of Time · **Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:51 pm**

Yep, cast a veto using no logic in his decision, only his belief. And he has just forced his belief on the rest of the US.

Theresa · **Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:03 pm**

In this situation, beliefs is all you have to go on. An embryo is only going to grow into one thing, a human being. Gestation periods shouldn't really matter.
A woman 3 months along is murdered. The infant is not yet viable, so it's still embryonic, yet you can charge the murderer w/ two cases of homicide.

Link, the Hero of Time · **Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:52 pm**

So you would give more weight to the embryo, which a grouping of cells, then the couple thousand people suffering right now that could get better with the introduction of stem cells?

Republican_Man · **Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:57 pm**

There is more research suggesting success from adult stem cells than embryonic stem cells, and that's where we should be focussing. Continue to focus on harvesting adult stem cells, such as from the placenta(sp?), rather than ending a human life, albeit developing, in order to meet the same ends.

LightningBoy · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:05 am**

Link, the Hero of Time · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:22 pm**

Kyle Reese · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:53 pm**

Come on. You know that's not what he meant.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

The ends does not justify the means. Link, your justification does not work either. You claim you are being compassionate to a couple thousand suffering people. How? By killing 400,000 children (the estimated number of frozen embryos across the US) in order to help? So the death of almost half a million, the loss of almost half a million of the current generation means nothing to you?

"An embryo is not a potential human life�it is human life with potential."

Republican_Man · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:37 pm**

What about all those parents who, as Bush had at his ceremony this past week, have children or want children who would have been born of frozen embryos? It gives a child more of a chance to live than simply disposing of it.

La Forge · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:43 pm**

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Jeff Miller · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:54 pm**

La Forge · **Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:57 pm**

So...You still think that we are "killing babies" or as George W. Bush so stupidly put it "using these boys and girls for spare parts", eh? Well...I'm positive that I won't be able to change your views. You're a Republican, right? You guys back everything that the President does. However...You're not killing a baby. An embryo is not life. It is potential life. Not life. However, I consider something alive (not counting plants) alive if they are sentient. I don't believe that an embryo is sentient. So...My views stand. Using embryos for stem cell research, to help millions of people by using babies that don't exist yet...I see no problem in that.

Oh, on a side note. I never said anything about the elderly. They are still important to our society. A baby that doesn't exist is not. It isn't life yet and it is not a member of our society. There are still plenty of other people making babies that will live and continue on.

Anyways, my argument stands. I'm done here, because, I'm getting sick of arguing with those who will not listen. I'm never NEVER EVER going to be able to change the mind of a Republican so I give up. I vow never to post in this area, again. I see no point.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596