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Za Za Zoom Ensign
Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Britain, Britain
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:23 pm |
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Jeri Tylor asked for more holodeck themed episodes and holodeck themed episodes are generally bland (they were quite tiresome in TNG). She was also more involved in the earlier seasons, which could partially explain why much of the earlier seasons were quite dull. Don't get me wrong, Brannon Braga sucked as well, but I often feel Jeri Tylor is left off the hook far too often in comparison to the much pilloried B&B.
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:15 pm |
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Za Za Zoom wrote: | Jeri Tylor asked for more holodeck themed episodes and holodeck themed episodes are generally bland (they were quite tiresome in TNG). She was also more involved in the earlier seasons, which could partially explain why much of the earlier seasons were quite dull. Don't get me wrong, Brannon Braga sucked as well, but I often feel Jeri Tylor is left off the hook far too often in comparison to the much pilloried B&B. |
Did you like First Contact?
*yes, I realize this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but if given time for ZaZaZoom to respond, it will tie in with the topic...Thanks*
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Untitled Commander
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 396 Location: abandoned
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Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:53 pm |
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La Forge wrote: | If I have to pick one..."Threshold"
The horror of all horrors... |
- I wouldn't say Threshold was boring. I thought it was entertaining in a...stupid, retarted - what the hell where they thinking - type of funny. But not boring.
Founder wrote: | Most boring? Definitly the 11:59 one. It was so pointless that it hurt. Yet again, VOY ignored the Eugenics wars... |
- Your right it was a pointless episode, it completely strayed from well...VOYAGER.
Voyager2004 wrote: | Also, "The Killing Game" was a great episode. Yet, it's a holodeck centered episode. |
- I agree. Not all of the holodeck epi's suck. Some can actually be quite interesting. The Killing Game being my fav...that I can remember.
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And there's also "Bride of Chaotica." Another good episode that shows the versatile acting skill of Mulgrew. And sometimes you need holodeck episodes...just like they needed "Bride of Chaotica." Because, in case you didn't know, the whole reason for this episode was because the bridge set had caught fire and they were rebuilding it. So they needed something that didn't take place on the bridge a whole lot... |
- Plus it gives a change in the pace of the series once in a while. It's good to do something different instead of the same old same old all the time. I don't know about the quality of Bride of Chaotica as I can't remember much from that episode.
It's been 5 years since I've seen it - but I will be getting all of the seasons of Voyager. Slowly but surely Because I really appreciate the fact that they made all of the seasons so *beep* high priced!
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3. Mortal Coil (terrible story)
I can't remember that one properly. |
- I agree it was pretty stupid. But you know I've been thinking by the end of Voyager several of the characters have borg tech floating through their bodies. I think maybe only the Doc and Tom are the only exceptions.
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Can't argue with that (about the Irish village), but I don't think the Borg kids were that bad (despite the Wesley Crusher vibe). |
- The oldest Borg Kid wasn't as bad as Crusher was. Borg kid was much more tolerable than Crusher.
Someone also mentioned that all of Chakotay episodes...I do say I have to agree probably more with the later ones. As sad as that is to me. He is an interesting character and I think the episodes with him and Seska were interesting.
I just got done watching Tattoo, and currently I think that has my ranking for most boring Voyager episode. But I haven't seen all of Voyager yet. I still have to watch the rest of season 2, and obtain season 3 before I have a real answer for this question.
Za Za Zoom wrote: | Jeri Tylor asked for more holodeck themed episodes and holodeck themed episodes are generally bland (they were quite tiresome in TNG). She was also more involved in the earlier seasons, which could partially explain why much of the earlier seasons were quite dull. Don't get me wrong, Brannon Braga sucked as well, but I often feel Jeri Tylor is left off the hook far too often in comparison to the much pilloried B&B. |
- I agree. I wish she would have stayed on til the end of Voyager. Perhaps some of things that happened wouldn't have happened if she'd stayed.
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:04 am |
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Untitled wrote: | Za Za Zoom wrote: |
3. Mortal Coil (terrible story)
I can't remember that one properly. |
- I agree it was pretty stupid. But you know I've been thinking by the end of Voyager several of the characters have borg tech floating through their bodies. I think maybe only the Doc and Tom are the only exceptions. |
How is mortal coil bad? That was one of the best VOY episodes and trust me, there weren't many.
It dealt with uh oh...say the evil word "religion" and the "Afterlife". I thought it was beauitfully done and well thougt out. It makes you think and some fine acting from Neelix. It was one of the RARE episodes where he wasn't irritating. Can anyone tell me why it was bad?
I bet anything its because it involved religion and amongst many of the ST fans...thats a no no.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:13 am |
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Whie not a faveorit episode, Mortal Coil I guess, isn't the worst either.
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:20 am |
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I hated The Void.
I hate it with a vengence. There was no point in watching it. You knew the crew was going to get out of it.
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Untitled Commander
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 396 Location: abandoned
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Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:51 pm |
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madlilnerd wrote: | I hated The Void.
I hate it with a vengence. There was no point in watching it. You knew the crew was going to get out of it. |
- What about those other episodes 'that-you-knew-they-were-going-to-get-out-of-situations'? Like "Year of Hell"?
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:01 am |
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that one when harry and tom where stuck in that prison
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Sara_Chakotay Ensign
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 59 Location: Toronto Canada
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Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:19 am |
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The cloud
if it was set in season 7 they would've been out of there in like 30 seconds
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:01 am |
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I generally liked all episodes of Voyager, but if I had to pick a boring one it was the one in which there was an illegal "Thought" maffia, or what, when the old woman murdered the tradesman on the planet cuz B'elanna's violent thought was transferred into her... and then investigations. That was kinda boring from a Voyager episode.
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Intrepid Class Sophomore Cadet
Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 12 Location: NCC-74656
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Fri May 08, 2009 5:28 pm |
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11:59.
Never watched it,but from the looks of it,pretty boring...my friend and I "Google-searched" it and it sounds boring as heck.
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sat May 09, 2009 7:26 am |
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I agree. I have seen some series in which the cast made a part in which they would assume other roles, just to spice things up a bit, for example in Xena they once played each other on the set: Autolycus played Rob Tapert, the boss, Callisto was the wild secretary kitten, and so on... that part was good. Or when Picard played Robin Hood once because of Q... Of course these are not the exact same situations as 11.59 but close, from the point of view that the characters didn't actually play "themselves". But as a writer I think you have to be careful in such case to make the story spicy and fun, while in 11.59 the character was boring (the woman "bum" ), the settings were dull (cold winter, everyone hating it, brrr), the other characters in it were lame (the man Janeway and his son)... when you write on the level of a world famous show this is not what we expect, dear writer...
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B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9 Ballet Babe
Joined: 20 Aug 2001 Posts: 3642 Location: DISNEY WORLD
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Mon May 11, 2009 3:10 pm |
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I can't think of any specifically, but there are a couple that I don't like watching.
One thing I like voyager though is that it's not all constant battles with aliens and everything. You really get a variety of shows. I think that's why it is one of my favs.
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Mon May 11, 2009 6:25 pm |
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Lord Borg wrote: | Scary. Do we all know that even the writters shun this episode? |
they even admited it was the worst one they did
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Mansfeld Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 41 Location: Belgium, Europe
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Tue May 19, 2009 3:11 am Re: boring holodeck episodes |
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Holodeck episodes are - almost without exception - a result of a total lack of imagination on the part of the writers.
I do not agree that holodeck episodes are there beceause of the lack of imagination on the part of the writers. I believe it opens the door too an endles number of possibilities and so also imagination. My problem with holodeck episodes is that it sometimes goes to far and that it becomes dificult to believe it, or to go along with de writers ideas. But that is certainly not the case with al holodeck episodes.
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Mansfeld Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 41 Location: Belgium, Europe
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Tue May 19, 2009 3:18 am Re: boring holodeck episodes |
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Quote: | All sci-fi (in fact all fiction) relies on the willingness of the reader or viewer to suspend disbelief and be carried along with the story. Now I have no complaint about the existence of a starship and only a few complaints about the existence of a holodeck or a holographic person. But when I am expected to believe that these holograms are able to somehow malfunction and threaten the ship once a season my imagination is stretched way beyond breaking point and I am no longer swept along with the story. In short, I stop believing and become a cynic. |
it is true SiFi relies on the willingness of the reader and i do believe that the episodes on the holodeck are in these matters 'most demanding' but then again it goes to far saying that all holodeck episodes are no good. And so far i didn't saw really much holodeck episodes on voyager. I think the most holodeck-situations where in TNG.
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pugwash84 Crewman
Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 3 Location: england
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Wed May 20, 2009 6:26 pm Voyager... |
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I quite liked Voyager, I didn't find it boring. I wasn't too fond of Kes
though she was a tad boring. The series though was great.
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Mansfeld Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 41 Location: Belgium, Europe
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Wed May 27, 2009 6:13 am |
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I think Kess was owkay, altough I believe that seven of nine is an improvemend, and not only beceause its a beautifull woman. The Character is more interesting with that borg-past of hers. And the way she's talking, kinda arrogant. But she seems not te be aware of it quit funny.
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Sara_Chakotay Ensign
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 59 Location: Toronto Canada
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Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:06 pm |
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almost every seven of nine episode or kes episode
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Kathryn_Janeway218 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 252 Location: Battlestar Arc Angel (CO)
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:38 am |
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Any episode with Neelix, kes, the doctor, or seven was boring, with the exception of the cool ones Like the one when the doc is the ECH, or when seven is busy destroying the borg, those are great. But otherwise, I'd rather take a nap then watch da tv.
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:38 am |
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Yes, because Neelix and the doctor are physically unattractive, Seven is the envy of every woman, and Kes bugged everyone in the same manner. What remains is the episodes with the "studs" and Janeway herself.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:58 pm Boring? |
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This was 'Barge of the Dead' at the beginning of Season Six. B'Ellanna must meet-up with Kayless in the sleeping world for some important reason.
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Birdy Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 13502 Location: Here.
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:11 am Re: boring holodeck episodes |
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Mansfeld wrote: | Holodeck episodes are - almost without exception - a result of a total lack of imagination on the part of the writers.
I do not agree that holodeck episodes are there beceause of the lack of imagination on the part of the writers. I believe it opens the door too an endles number of possibilities and so also imagination. My problem with holodeck episodes is that it sometimes goes to far and that it becomes dificult to believe it, or to go along with de writers ideas. But that is certainly not the case with al holodeck episodes. |
So you think 'Worst Case Scenario' was also horrible? I think that's one of the best episodes of Voyager. And it's mostly on the holodeck.
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milan Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 263 Location: Romania
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Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:05 pm |
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Yea Worst case scenario was cool... it gets people going in the first few minutes We all wet our pants with laughter at "Lct. Marseille" and the Seven triplets ... Good ideas, and these need a few completed seasons for writers to dare put these kinds of jokes in.
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Sara_Chakotay Ensign
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 59 Location: Toronto Canada
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Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:40 pm |
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Course: Oblivion
aside from the fact that tommy and b'elanna got married
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