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Za Za Zoom
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 Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:53 am Jeri Ryan on "Boston Public" |
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What was Jeri Ryan like on Boston Public, I like to know since being in Britain I never got round to seeing the series on TV. I really liked her on the otherwise dull Star Trek Voyager and in even on guest roles in Two and a Half Men or The OC, she came across as a very talented and subtle performer. And she still looks great for her age; she looks closer to 30 than 40 despite already being 37.
However looking at "Jump the Shark", it seems like she was not that well recieved by the show's fans:
http://www.jumptheshark.com/b/bostonpublic.htm
Despite the negative comments directed at Jeri Ryan, I always thought David E. Kelley was a pretty crappy and overrated writer/producer - Ally McBeal was a joke after it's first season and Lake Placid was one of dullest movies I had the misfortune of sitting through.
Despite never seeing Boston Public, I get the impression that Boston Public was the crap it always was and was overly melodramatic claptrap for the retarded masses who watched FOX. The reason Jeri Ryan attracted the unwarranted ire of malcontent fans, was because she displaced a few popular (but overrated) show regulars. She was also possibly a easy target for malcontent fans and was used as a scapegoat for the demise of the series.
However, I heard more saner critics claim that Jeri Ryan was not really to blame and that it was the terrible writing killed the series. I'm more willing to believe them. Can anyone clarify what really happened on the show for me?
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Untitled
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:02 am |
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I don't know what she was like on Boston Public. I watched it for about the first two seasons then when I heard she was going to be on it, I stopped watching because I was still way too pissed off about C/7 to have anything to do with her.
I won't say I've gotten over C/7, but it doesn't effect how I think of Ryan anymore.
| Za Za Zoom wrote: | | Despite the negative comments directed at Jeri Ryan, I always thought David E. Kelley was a pretty crappy and overrated writer/producer - Ally McBeal was a joke after it's first season and Lake Placid was one of dullest movies I had the misfortune of sitting through. |
- Your right Kelley is way overrated. I totally agree with Ally McBeal I despised that show. Didn't know that Kelley directed Lake Placid but your right that movie was dull. It was very well...typical. Souldn't have been made.
| Za Za Zoom wrote: |
Despite never seeing Boston Public, I get the impression that Boston Public was the crap it always was and was overly melodramatic claptrap for the retarded masses who watched FOX.
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- I actually thought it was a pretty good show in the beginning. Then it kind of went down hill after that (before Ryan showed up)
| Za Za Zoom wrote: |
The reason Jeri Ryan attracted the unwarranted ire of malcontent fans, was because she displaced a few popular (but overrated) show regulars. She was also possibly a easy target for malcontent fans and was used as a scapegoat for the demise of the series. |
- I can understand anger from fans about her having more screentime that was taken away from other actors fans favored in the show. The same exact thing happened on Voyager. I wasn't none too happy about that. But about her being a scapegoat, that's one I wouldn't know about.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:04 pm |
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| Untitled wrote: | I don't know what she was like on Boston Public. I watched it for about the first two seasons then when I heard she was going to be on it, I stopped watching because I was still way too pissed off about C/7 to have anything to do with her.
I won't say I've gotten over C/7, but it doesn't effect how I think of Ryan anymore. |
You blame a talented actress for Voyager's crap writing? 
How was it Jeri Ryan's fault that her character started a relationship with the dull Commander Chuckles? I wanted her to be with the EMH!!!
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I can understand anger from fans about her having more screentime that was taken away from other actors fans favored in the show. The same exact thing happened on Voyager. I wasn't none too happy about that. But about her being a scapegoat, that's one I wouldn't know about. |
Well you used her as a scapegoate for the typically awful Voyager series final. 
And it's pretty clear that the person who receives the most flack is the one that's the most visible and least deserving - is it really Jeri Ryan's fault that she joined a show that was bland and mediocre to begin with?
Also apart from the EMH, Seven, Tuvok and Torres, the other Voyager characters were exceedingly annoying and boring. So I did not mourn their loss of screen time in favour of Seven and the EMH.
I never liked Voyager, but I liked Jeri Ryan - she's an excellent actress who does not deserve half the abuse thrown at her, especially from rabid fans who can't think logically.
And you probably did see Jeri Ryan if you saw the first two seasons, perhaps you did not recognise her?
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:30 pm |
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| Za Za Zoom wrote: |
And you probably did see Jeri Ryan if you saw the first two seasons, perhaps you did not recognise her? |
She didn't appear on the show until the last episode of season two. So it's quite possible that anyone who just watched the first two seasons missed her.
Personally I think Jeri Ryan did a fine job on Boston Public. My problem with the show is that it began to rely heavily on big name guest stars and less on good writting and character development. They had something realy unique and then butchered it. Can easily happen when a show gets a certain amount of popularity I think.
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Lynx
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:50 pm |
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I think she was good in "Boston Public". Her character was OK.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:16 pm |
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Hmmm, if Untitled irrational enough to boycott Jeri Ryan on the grounds of her being given a bad script for "Endgame" then it's safe to assume that people would blame Jeri Ryan for Boston Public, even though it's safe to assume the terrible writing was really responsible for killing the series. But no, Jeri Ryan must held responsible, even though she had nothing to do with David E. Kelley or the writers and was merely reading out their crappy scripts.
If Untitled had no qualms about shooting the messanger (ie. Jeri) then I'm going to bet big money she was going to be needlessly blamed yet again for the inherent crapness of the next show she joined, Boston Public.
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| Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:04 pm |
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I thought her character was pretty well-played !
I was a big fan of the show, not always of the script...but I liked the story and I especially liked Ronnie Cook (Jeri's character).
I don't know, it wasn't as bad as people are making it sound. I tuned in quite often to watch it, and I'm not a gigantic TV-viewer either !
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Za Za Zoom
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| Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:49 am |
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I imagine Jeri Ryan was excellent on Boston Public with no thanks to David E. Kelley and the script writers. It was pretty much the same story with the disappointing Voyager.
And Untitled, Commander Chuckles having a relationship with Seven of Nine did suck BLAME THE SCRIPT WRITERS FOR THAT IDIOTIC PLOT DEVELOPMENT AND NOT JERI RYAN!!!
And at least Jeri Ryan is decent performer with real talent, while Robert Beltran was always an unemotive plank of wood. Honestly he is Star Trek's answer to Steven Seagal.
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teya
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| Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:43 am |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | Za Za Zoom wrote: |
And you probably did see Jeri Ryan if you saw the first two seasons, perhaps you did not recognise her? |
She didn't appear on the show until the last episode of season two. So it's quite possible that anyone who just watched the first two seasons missed her.
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She started on "Boston Public" in the first scene of the first episode of the second season.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:16 pm |
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I am mad at writers for C/7 but I don't dislike Jeri Ryan. I like her very much. I think she plays good in anything.
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MakeItSo
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| Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:24 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | I am mad at writers for C/7 but I don't dislike Jeri Ryan. I like her very much. I think she plays good in anything. |
Yeah, same here. I think she's a great actress. I just didn't think she fit with Chakotay at all.
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Untitled
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| Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:40 pm |
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| Za Za Zoom wrote: | | You blame a talented actress for Voyager's crap writing? |
| Untitled wrote: | | but it doesn't effect how I think of Ryan anymore. |
- back then yes I did.
| Za Za Zoom wrote: |
Well you used her as a scapegoate for the typically awful Voyager series final. |
- Yes I suppose I did.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:55 pm |
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Sorry Untitled that I bit your head over Jeri Ryan, since you've seen to have grown up and got over your irrational dislike of Jeri Ryan. And in some ways that's understandable since Voyager ended a while back in 2001 and you must've been relatively much younger at the time.
But it still seems somewhat childish and unfair to blame the performer for the bad script, after all, I thought the plost development with C/7 was not great either.
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Untitled
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| Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:41 pm |
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| Za Za Zoom wrote: | Sorry Untitled that I bit your head over Jeri Ryan, since you've seen to have grown up and got over your irrational dislike of Jeri Ryan. And in some ways that's understandable since Voyager ended a while back in 2001 and you must've been relatively much younger at the time.
But it still seems somewhat childish and unfair to blame the performer for the bad script, after all, I thought the plost development with C/7 was not great either. |
- I think I was 14 when it ended. It probably was childish of me, but now that I think of it. Alot of the blame was also on Braga from me as well. I do remember hearing about "Enterprise" way before they had much on it, only they weren't sure of much on it other than it was supposed to be before Kirk's era. I miss-inturprited it and thinking it meant that they were going to cancel Voyager and I burst into tears about it.
Since coming back to Voyager I can she's a pretty great actress. She did have a very interesting and complex character on Voyager. I can see that how, especially from her interviews and how different she seems to be compaired to the character of Seven.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:45 am |
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This show has been teetering precariously on the edge for most of the season but last night's episode (April 7th) took the quantum leap directly into the belly of the beast!! For the past several weeks, the main storyline has dealt with the meteoric rise in the educational system of a thirty-something lawyer/teacher who insists on dressing like a high school kid, with too much makeup, shirts unbuttoned to the navel so as to show her ample cleavage, and spray-painted on jeans. And that's the GOOD part of her character!! We have a woman who goes in front of the school board and says, "I don't want the assistant-principal's job," then pulls out a Kinko's/Desktop Publisher/professionally presented prospectus on how the school can upgrade its sorry performance in the standardized testing process. Strike One! Then the school is lauded for it's performance, after being "taught the test," and she is asked to come up and say a few words. She says, "Oh, no, I can't......well, OK!!!!" Strike one-and-a-half! Then she says, "Oh, I'm too busy to do phone interviews....well, OK!!" Strike Two!! Then she can't understand why her boyfriend's pissed off when he walks in on her and that school district nerd hugging and drinking the bubbly...DUH!!! THEN she goes on TV and says she's not involved with anyone at the time, and when he confronts her on that, she says, "He caught me off-guard, I wasn't prepared for that..." Seems to me that a *beep*-hot litigator like her would always be prepared FOR EXACTLY THAT!!! STRIKE THREE, YER OUTTA THERE!!!! I can't even stomach the bitch anymore, I'm going to have to quit watching the show. I don't know why they just don't change the name to "The Jeri Ryan Show," for Christ's sake!! There are five decent, even great, actors on that show, actors who are WAY above the show's quality, and I think that if they want to have ANY chance at a career after the show, they should jump ship like Nicky Katt did. They are Chi McBride (principal), Anthony Heald (Guber), Fyvush Finkel (Lipshutz), Marly (don't recall her real name) and Danny (his either) JUMP THE SHIP. LET THE SHARK EAT YOU...ANYTHING TO GET AWAY FROM THIS FARCE, a good show that went downhill like Picabo Street on crystal meth. Very, very sad. |
Can any one who has watched Boston Public explain this ranting and raving please? I get the impression that Boston Public was always a lame series with terrible writing and far fetched stories. And sadly Jeri Ryan (knowing her bad luck) was dragged down with it and used a scapegoat.
This spoilt brat of a fan was complaining or ranting a about how far fetched and how badly written Jeri Ryan's character was. And like a 14 year old Untiltled this crazy fan throws the teddy bear out of the pram and puts all the blame squarely on Jeri Ryan, even though it was not really her fault for the show's sucky quality.
I don't think it was Jeri's fault that she was cast on two shows (Voyager and Boston Public) that were both rubbish to begin with and I wish her luck with Shark.
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teya
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| Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:48 am |
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Explain this ranting and raving? The opinion of one fan who's got a lot of bile to spout.
Sort of like how you point out that Boston Public and Voyager sucked every chance you get.
I don't think either were as bad as you make them out to be, but hey... to each his own, yanno?
And, IMO, the complaints expressed probably show that Jeri's a better actor than the writer gives her credit for. Ronnie's responses in that episode--showing up prepared to speak at the board meeting, giving in to phone interviews, dismissing her boyfriend on TV--were all perfectly in keeping with the character as established over the prior 3 years.
Some people will simply not like an actor and will attribute the negative qualiities of a character to the actor.
Just like all the folks who watched Voyager and said Jeri was a terrible actress--that she was just playing herself as Seven.  Anyone who's ever met Jeri knows that she is as far from the stoic Seven as night and day.
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Za Za Zoom
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| Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:05 pm |
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| teya wrote: | Explain this ranting and raving? The opinion of one fan who's got a lot of bile to spout.
Sort of like how you point out that Boston Public and Voyager sucked every chance you get.
I don't think either were as bad as you make them out to be, but hey... to each his own, yanno? |
Voyager was a comparatively successful sci-fi series that ran for seven seasons, so it must've had millions of fans worldwide to keep the show running for the best part of a decade, true. But it wasn't to my taste I'm afraid. But I'm puzzled why people would say that Jeri Ryan was a bad actress; I attribute that to many people having severe emotional autism. And what did the fools see in the inane Kes and Voyager's earlier seasons? The later seasons were lame too, but there was no Kazon or Kes and we saw less of Neelix.
Anyhoo, on a lighter note how did Jeri Ryan measure up with the rest of the Boston Public cast? I never saw the show to judge it's quality, but the show sounds really trashy and silly. I liked Jeri Ryan on The OC though (she still looks great!) and I'm looking forward to seeing her in a solid TV role once again in the upcoming Shark.
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