Was Garret Wang the least popular character?

Founder · **Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:44 am**

Kes was the weakest, that is why Harry was there up until season 7 and Kes was not.

Harry was actually a lot more interesting than some of the "main" characters I'd say...

Lynx · **Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:42 am**

Kes was not a weak character. She had a lot more potential than Harry and was more convincing in the episodes she featured than Harry was in his episodes.

Harry did have some potential but it was never used. He was most like an over-aged Wesley Crusher, the constant "young ensign Kim". In the books he's a lot better but the other characters are great in the books too.

As for the decision to kick out Kes, it was sheer stupidity from TIIC.

Kes personified the spirit of Star Trek with her will to learn and explore. That spirit was gone when she was kicked out and was replaced by looks and effects.

Voyager2004 · **Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:08 pm**

Obviously Kes was the weaker of the two characters because she was booted off instead of Harry. Those were the two up for debate, and they WERE gonna get rid of Harry instead of Kes, but then finally decided on Kes. So it's not like she was abused or anything. And it's not like she was "less-liked."

Lynx · **Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:30 pm**

*Emily* · Crewman Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 3

No, but he comes close. Neelix or the doctor are the most boring.

Valathous · **Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:06 pm**

The Doctor?!

How could you say the Doctor was one of the most boring! He was one of the best characters on the show! He developed more than anyone, other than perhaps Seven of Nine. He was the funniest, too.

*Emily* · Crewman Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 3

I forgot about his bedside manner. But I hate the episodes that just focus on him... I'll put him above Neelix and Kes then. I completely forgot about her....

So, worst:

Neelix
Kes
Doctor

Valathous · **Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:17 pm**

I thought that the Doctor was actually one of the best characters in the entire show, and the least boring of them all. He actually needed to earn the trust and respect that he got and when he made a mistake it hurt that with his peers more than it would a flesh and blood crewman and took slightly longer to rebuild.

The funniest episode was a Doctor episode, "Tinker, Tennor, Doctor, Spy."

One of the best episodes in the show, I can't remember which it was, but it was a doctor episode where he literally broke down because he found out why the Captain was erasing his memory banks, because he saved Harry over some random crewman when they both had the exact some thing with the exact same time to live, with only enough time to save one. The confliction and internal struggle was great.

Another great episode was "Renaissance Man", which was a Doctor episode that I found quite good. The Captain was kidnapped and the Doctor was secretly trying to save her without telling the rest of the crew.

"Author, Author" with the holographic rights, while a rip off of "Measure of a Man" was still yet another great Doctor episode, showing just how he felt being a hologram amongst people and how he felt he wasn't receiving equal treatment.

He was a really interesting character with a lot of witty come-backs and played by undoubtedly the best actor in that entire series, Robert Picardo.

Lynx · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:49 pm**

None of the Voyager characters were weak. The weak spot were the producers and writers.

Leo Wyatt · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:12 pm**

Lynx wrote

Voyager2004 · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:27 pm**

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:34 pm**

The Doctor and Seven of Nine saved the show. To say they were the weakest is just ridiculous.

Kes definitly was. Harry Kim was actually pretty cool. He had some good episodes.

harrykims#1fan · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:55 pm**

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:01 pm**

Harry needs a g/f? What are you people talking about?

Libby-On earth
Seven of Nine-Kind of...
One of the Delaney twins-For a lil while..
Holodeck girl-Um...on the holodeck(in fact, I think he liked two different holodeck girls. One in the summer resort program and one in Fair Haven)
Alien chick-The one that gave him a disease

He got more tail than most ST fans combined...

Voyager2004 · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:15 pm**

Haha...^^^ So true...

But ya, he did have some good episodes! I didn't mind him...He had potential that the writers didn't explore as much as they could have...but it still turned out alright...I really liked "Nightingale." It was a good "Harry Kim" episode.

Lynx · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:39 pm**

Lynx · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:43 pm**

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:43 pm**

Lynx · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:45 pm**

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:48 pm**

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Let's have a constructive conversation if we are going to have one. Ok? Great.

Lord Borg · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:56 pm**

Ok, lets all calm down here, No calling people know it alls, know making points others are biased, we all have our own opinions.

And *cough* I should bite you for trashing ent

J/K

Kes was alright, in some episods i couldnt stand her, in somes she was good. That one where the dude took over her body? the actress was good in that episode, I actually wasn't totaly bored by it.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

I probably have said this before, but I can never forgive her acting in Scorpion. The whole telepathic visions thing. Ugh. That was the worst acting I have ever seen. It nearly ruined the whole episode for me. Honestly, when she had her visions I had to stop myself from laughing and explain to my family that the acting wasnt always so tacky.

Lord Borg · **Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:06 am**

hahaha, Yeah, that was bad. So was that one where she ate those bugs or what ever they were. That was over acting IMO.

Founder · **Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:06 am**

Well, as I already said, Harry Kim was not the weakest. The person they got rid of was. If he was the weakest, why not get rid of him? People say Kim was underused, but no one explains how. He was just the timid, gullible character and behind larger then life characters like the Doctor and Seven of Nine, it is hard to be...seen. Kes was the weakest one. Can anyone here honestly remember what Kes centered episode was good? I can't. Well...that isn't right. There was one episode she was good in. The one that she left. Figures that her character was utilised properly when they were giving her a send off. Fury was a good one too. I don't think anyone has done a main character coming back as a bad guy thing. Unless you count Sela on TNG...which isn't the same thing. But with Harry Kim? We do remember episodes with him. Nightengale being the mose popular. We all remember the episode where Harry was THIS close to uh...being with Seven of Nine. We remember his speech about how "...the destination that is important, but the journey." We remember the episode where he was suddenly back on Earth, never having left on VOY. Soem good stuff. Harry most certainly was not the weakest. Kes was. Which is why they got rid of her. I will say that towards the end, everyone else other than Seven, Janeway, and the EMH were not as important anymore. But that is because people found those three the most interesting. Something similiar happened with TOS. It was always the "big three". Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. TNG had a good balance until the last few movies. Then it was all Picard and Data. ENT utilised MOST of it's crew, except for Hoshi and Mayweather. DS9 was the only show that utilised everyone. It had a problem for all of them and a conclusion. Even the minor characters were taken care of on that show for God sakes. People saw a lack of Harry Kim and saw him as the weakest. He may not have been used FULLY, but neither was Tom Paris, Chakotay, or Tuvok.