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Okay then, fine. Here's how I see it. He definitely compared him to Jesus, and here's how, and how he's wrong.
| Quote: | | Jesus was a Martyr and his death helped christianity take off becoming one of the worlds largest religions. Why did this happen? His death opened the eyes of many. |
Jesus literally gave his life, willingly, for the cause of God. He did it for a purpose, to save each and every one of us from sin, because he was the Son of God and knew that that was what he had to do.
Zarqawi did not sacrifice himself at all. He was killed in a surprise attack on his bunker. A martyr gives himself up for a cause, in one way or another. He didn't know that he was going to be killed and therefore it makes him different from a martyr, and different from Jesus in terms of martyrdom.
I didn't mean to sound like he compared Jesus's actions to Zarqawi's actions. My apologies for not being anywhere near as clear as I should have been.
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I Personally Dislike Zarqawi it's good that he can no longer kill innnocent people but however President Bush needs to stop praising his death. No one should cheer over someone's death it is disgraceful & inhumane.
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No one should cheer over anyone's death!? What! Are you crazy?
*calms down*
I celebrated his death, and that celebration was more than worth it. When such an evil mass-murderer dies you can, and should, do nothing but celebrate that victory. So it was a human who died. That doesn't change the fact that he was one of the most evil people on Earth.
Bush didn't cheer Zarqawi's death nearly as much as myself or Kyle Reese or Sean Hannity. And we had every reason to be so celebratory. This is PHENOMINAL news, and yet you think it's wrong to celebrate the death? Why? Because it hurts Hillary Clinton and the Democrats? I don't get how celebrating the death of a man like Zarqawi is "disgraceful and inhumane." If it's anything it's the right thing to do. It's something every loyal American should do.
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| borgslayer wrote: | | I Personally Dislike Zarqawi it's good that he can no longer kill innnocent people but however President Bush needs to stop praising his death. No one should cheer over someone's death it is disgraceful & inhumane. |
What then about rejoicing that this man will no longer be able to help in ending other peoples lives? To me, it seems reasonable to rejoice that a threat to the lives of many is no longer there.
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Precisely, Puck. I haven't posted the stuff on this at STV yet because I'm not ready for it yet, but I started an Iraq WMD site, and on it I posted a blog on the Zarqawi death, a long piece written on Friday night. I'm going to post it here. I personally think I'm right-on with this.
| Quote: | America's Victory in Iraq
Friday, June 9, 2006
My friends, yesterday was a great day for the American troops, the Iraqi people, the American people, the Jordanian people, and all other people throughout the world.
An evil, murderous villain was killed in a strategic air strike on his safe house�or, should I say, unsafe house. This murderous villain was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq and bin Laden-declared "prince of Al Qaeda in Iraq."
I quote a good point made my retired general Tommy Franks tonight on Fox News's Hannity and Colmes. He stated,
One of the things�Zarqawi did for the Insurgency [was] provide a moral anchor for those who were about the destruction of Iraq from within, with this insurgency. Now that doesn�t say that now that Zarqawi�s dead everything�s gonna be great and the insurgency will fall apart, not at all. But you gotta recognize that Zarqawi, as an operator, was a pretty good one, and of all the things that we�ve heard discussed in the last 24 hours there has not been must mention of the fact that Al Qaeda and the insurgency in Iraq will be less potent, and less capable, because Zarqawi was a capable recruiter and leader, and he�s no longer at the helm.
This extended quote by General Franks provides us with a very good point. Zarqawi was an intrical part to the terrorist movement there. He was the man responsible for the strategic development of the primary plan for Al Qaeda in Iraq: To disrupt the process there by inciting civil war between the Sunni and Shi�ite religious groups within the state. He provided the moral compass, albeit not moral in his actions, needed in order to successfully carry out this operation. In his absence, Al Qaeda�s cause in Iraq is greatly hampered and will definitely be adversely affected by this loss.
It is quite evident that Al Qaeda has bet a lot on Iraq. If they lose this state, then it will be a critical blow to the terrorists and their effort. All of these issues�the will of the Iraqi people, the death of Zarqawi, his spiritual advisor, and his lieutenant, the obtainment of much information through the �treasure trove� discovered in the 17 other raids that occurred on that day, etc. etc.�is only proving that they are losing this effort, despite the idiocy of many on the left and the liberal media which tries to make the effort appear futile and worthless.
If the terrorists�and not just Al Qaeda, but also the Saddamist, Ba�athist remnants and other factions within that country�lose Iraq, they will lose much support throughout the world. A number of terrorist leaders will have been killed there and their effort will be hampered incredibly by this.
This is why we need to remain in Iraq. Not just so that we can help the Iraqis to establish a democracy, but so that we may wage a critical blow against the terrorists by succeeding there, helping our country out considerably.
And this very incident shows that we are winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Zarqawi wasn�t just found by US agents, but it was human intelligence that drove our discovery of him. We are now networking well enough with the Iraqis to gain the critical human intelligence that drove our victory Wednesday. The Iraqis, it seems, are turning more and more to our cause and away from the cause of the terrorists, and that�s only working in our favor and against the wishes of the terrorists. This incident shows that we have enough support within Iraq to gain critical intelligence, as we did in the case of Zarqawi.
In the loss of Zarqawi the terrorists, which I refuse to call insurgents, have lost a great recruiter and inspiration for other potential terrorists.
For instance, three of the 17 terrorists apprehended in Canada last week cited Zarqawi as an inspiration, and his death ends the reign of a powerful inspirational figure for potential terrorists.
Zarqawi�s inspirational message and strong recruiting abilities made Al Qaeda in Iraq the powerhouse that it has been known to be. Without him there is no doubt that the efforts of the terrorists in Iraq would not have reached the levels at which they have been.
And, with the loss of Zarqawi comes the loss of the final potent leader of the terrorists that is actually on the battlefield. All that remain are bin Laden and his right-hand man, Zawahiri.
I want to bring up, now, some good things argued on Bill O�Reilly�s show last night.
On the impact to the world, Terrorism Analyst Emily Hunt believes that, while it won�t make an irreversible positive change to our situation there, this is going to have a big impact on the insurgency in Iraq, which will impact terrorism in the US and Europe because �what you want to do is remove opportunities for training, remove ideological inspiration, and really try to isolate cells in Europe and North America to the extent possible. And so, by degrading the insurgency in Iraq, by killing Zarqawi, it�s a step in the right direction.�
Terrorism Analyst Steve Emerson argued that Al Qaeda is on the verge of collapse, with most of its primary leaders, minus bin Laden and Zawahiri, either captured or killed, with homegrown cells being, now, like in Canada, the primary force (and that we are in the post-Al Qaeda phase), to which O�Reilly agreed, arguing that amateurs are easier to control, as they don�t have the money, the organization, etc. because there�s always somebody who�s �blabbing,� etc. etc.
Hunt responded by arguing that the question is, �What kind of a strategic threat does terrorism pose to the United States?� �If you can,� she argued, �create a situation where terrorism is a local or national problem, where the cells are isolated, where they are amateurish, where they don�t have the depth, the reach, and the resources to perpetrate a really grand-scale attack. That�s what I think that the aim should be of the War on Terrorism so that we can make it a more of a law enforcement problem rather than [how we have to address it now].�
Now, I think that these arguments are quite accurate, and that the Zarqawi situation helps to add to the possibility of some of those outcomes actually materializing. That is to say, if we can really cut off the leadership base of the organization, which unites the terrorists therein together, we can really weaken their situation to the extent that most terrorism will no longer be international but will rather be homegrown cells like in Canada, though much of the inspiration for them will no longer exist.
O�Reilly argued, and correctly so, that, the Al Qaeda people were killing Shi�ites in the hopes that a civil war could be started. This was a Zarqawi design, to kill as many Shi�ites as possible to erupt in a civil war, and so with the of the designer of that ideology, Zarqawi, comes a striking blow to the operational plans to start such a war because the leader of that movement is no longer around to carry it out.
Emerson prompted the idea that the fact that we got human intelligence proves that having boots on the ground is working, in terms of getting humans or human intelligence. He isn�t sure, however, that the allure of $25 million doesn�t have as much of a lure as the ideological nature of a person, which is, I would say, true.
As Bill O�Reilly said last night, �Everybody who�s a loyal American should be celebrating this victory, not doing this other stuff.� What is that other stuff? Air America and the Blogs, O�Reilly discussed, are disgusting in how they have morally equaled our efforts to what Zarqawi has done, how the Zarqawi doesn�t even compare to Bush. These are some of the things that the far left has dished out. Things that Air America hosts Jerry Springer (familiar face) and Randi Rhodes said today was just despicable as well.
I think he�s right here. A loyal American should be celebrating this victory, because a man who killed many Americans, as well as Iraqis, is dead. A man who murdered hundreds upon hundreds of people is DEAD.
If you are a legitimate dissenter to the Iraq War, both O�Reilly and I agree, I respect you. But if you�re rooting for us to lose the Iraq War, I think you�re a despicable person.
The absence of celebration and downplaying of this victory was even seen, surprise, surprise, within the realm of the mainstream media. For instance, CNN.com had an article entitled, �Analysis: Bin Laden might find relief in Zarqawi�s death.� ABC prompted the question, �Zarqawi Killing: More Harm than Good?�
The media, while conceding, to an extent, that this is a victory, is most clearly putting a not-so-positive spin on this, doing their best to downplay a story that is far from worthy of being downplayed. Why do they do this? For their liberal, anti- Bush agenda. Anything good out of Iraq is bad for the left, and so they need to do what they can to lessen the positive nature of any fantastic story to come out of Iraq. How do the media report a day like yesterday in the way in which they do it?
Last night on Hannity and Colmes, regarding the media, Colonel Oliver North raised an incredibly good point, stating,
A week from today, go out and ask people, �Tell me about Bakuba.� Nobody will be able to answer the question. But if you ask about Haditha, they�ll all be able to do it. Why? Because the media has branded Haditha into the minds of Americans and people around the world� when they still haven�t completed the investigation.
This just puts the media into striking perspective, does it not? They�ll give you all the negative press they can about the war, and when there�s something positive, they�ll downplay it and try to make it seem the least positive a development as they can.
For instance, as North pointed out in the above quote, the media is ecstatic over the Haditha situation. It appears as though they�ve already convicted the Marines, even in the absence of a full, complete investigation. You have Jack Murtha going out there and saying that American soldiers who are on the front lines killed a number of innocent civilians �in cold blood��his own words. When you kill someone in cold blood, my friends, that�s called murder. And so it�s on record that Congressman Murtha, when he should really know better than to go out and say anything before the investigation is complete, accused our brave men and women of murder. And he�s a former Marine who is now a left-wing Congressman. His reaction to Zarqawi�s death? It�s time to pull out. What�s up with that!?
And you get the exact same thing from the media. As I discussed above, they did all they could to downplay the story and make it appear in as negative a light as possible. Then you have outlets like Newsweek stating on the front cover of their June issue, �The Haditha Question: For US soldiers on the front lines in Iraq, where is the line between self-defense and shame.� And that�s the cover. At the start of the article they state, �The Marines were well prepared for war, but not for insurgency. Did some of them snap�and slaughter innocent civilians in cold blood?
Here we go again! US Marines Murdered Innocent Civilians! Extra, extra, read all about it!
Zarqawi? �It�s time to pull out.� �Bin Laden might find relief in Zarqawi�s death.� �Zarqawi Killing: More Harm than Good?� And that was on the first day of the release of the information regarding the killing!
On the one hand the media is accusing our troops of murdering and over-exaggerating the story before the investigation is complete, and on the other hand, when they hear phenomenal news coming out of Iraq, they act as though it is little more than the killing of your average terrorist in Iraq. And yet, my friends, this was NOT your average terrorist.
Have you not seen all the images and footage of Iraqis jumping for joy over this, and celebrating, as each and every one of us should have done yesterday and be doing right now?
He�s no longer in existence, a threat to American soldiers, a threat to Iraq, and a threat to Jordan. Remember the attack in Jordan? That was planned and operated by this brutal human being, and now Jordan can relax more now that he is dead, and they have already begun to do so.
The Iraqis don�t do such celebrations for the average terrorist�s death, now do they? Obviously they celebrate not being killed after an attack and whatnot, but they don�t do so in the manner in which they did yesterday, with the policemen dancing in the streets and all.
Logic would dictate that there has to be more to him than just being a murderer. I�m sure that�s a statement that any Star Trek Vulcan could agree with, as could any scholar and generally intelligent person.
Let�s examine some of the actions carried out by this evil man, shall we?
First, he was the instigator of sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shi�ites. He was the mastermind behind the attempt to spark a civil war in attempts to force the US out of Iraq and strike a victory there. It�s tremendously good that this man is dead. He was a prime recruiter for the terrorists, and now that recruiter is dead. DEAD. The third most prominent member of Al Qaeda--and the only one of such high stature to actually NOT be in hiding--is no longer among the living. That�s GOT to amount to nothing, does it not?
He had influence in Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia and had significant influence in Iraq. Now that influence is gone and the terrorists will have a lesser gamut for their influence. This was the organizer. This was the arch-criminal of this endeavor, and now he is dead. In the words of Sean Hannity tonight, �It�s a great day. Al Zarqawi is dead.�
He was, as I said, more than one of many murderers. Let�s take 15 Zarqawi-led incidents into consideration.
1. Karbala � March 2, 2002 � At least 181 Dead. The attack was carried out by Zarqawi.
2. Baghdad � September 14, 2004 � At least 47 dead
3. Karbala � December 19, 2004 � At least 60 dead
4. Hillah � February 28, 2005 � At least 125 dead
5. Baghdad � May 7, 2005 � At least 22 dead.
6. According to suspects arrested in Turkey, Zarqawi sent them to Istanbul to organize an attack on a NATO summit there on June 28 or 29 of 2004.
7. United States officials blame Zarqawi for over 700 killings in Iraq during the invasion, mostly from bombings.
8. Zarqawi was responsible for the Canal Hotel bombing of the UN HQ in Iraq on August 19th, 2003. The attack killed twenty-two people, including the UN Secretary General�s special Iraqi envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello.
9. Samarra � July 8, 2004 � Mortar attack that killed five American soldiers and one Iraqi soldier occurred by a group reportedly led by Zarqawi.
10. Jordan accuses Zarqawi of plotting to release a chemical cloud in Amman. Men were arrested in Amman who purportedly were planning to release the chemical attack. He was convicted in absentia on March 20, 2005, and sentenced to fifteen years in prison in addition to his two death sentences for earlier crimes in Jordan.
11. Mastermind of the 2005 Amman, Jordan bombings which killed roughly 70 people in three hotels.
12. Beheaded Nicholas Berg, among MANY other innocent civilians in Iraq.
13. Prior to his death he was the most wanted man in both Iraq and Jordan for all his horrifying deeds.
14. Blew up the Golden Mosque in Samarra, one of the holiest shrines in all of Shi�a philosophy.
15. One of the things that led them to the area where he was killed as the discovery of upwards around 17 beheaded people--seventeen beheaded people. Sick, no?
Is that enough facts for a far-left liberal to convince them to think of this positively and cheer the soldiers? Probably not, but that�s because they really just don�t care about the facts. All they care about is their liberal, anti-Bush agenda, nothing more. There are most definitely more tragic items than that, but that�s all that, I think, is all that is necessary to share to get the picture through to your minds.
There was an attack yesterday that killed upwards of forty people, and the attacks are still coming. Yet as the President talked about yesterday, and reinforced today, the change will not be immediate. In the immediate future we shall see an increase in attacks as the terrorists try to convince us that they are still strong and what have you; yet after the immediate future that will more than likely change, so long as we keep this up, as they will no longer have their general. Without Zarqawi they are much less organized and effective, as they do not have that unifying force and strong leadership that the late terrorist leader provided. Any replacement will have less experience and most likely won�t take long for the new leader to meet the same fate as Zarqawi�s, unless he�s captured instead.
It�s all a propaganda campaign, the terrorists trying to make us think that they are still as potent as they were in Iraq before Zarqawi�s death.
Not to mention that there were seventeen simultaneous raids that around the time of the attack on Zarqawi. It�s been deemed a �treasure trove� by many and could very well lead to more damage against the terrorists in the future. US agents have realized much intelligence value in these sites, and we�re going to obtain it and it will most assuredly help out our effort in Iraq.
And let us not forget the completion, at last, Wednesday, of the Iraqi government. The Interior Minister and Defense Minister were appointed, completing the Iraqi-instilled government. This was another great development there that was barely covered by the liberal press.
Once again, in the words of Sean Hannity last night, �It�s a great day. Al Zarqawi is dead.�
The Iraqis themselves are clearly acknowledging this, through their incredibly cheering demeanor and mass celebrations. If the Iraqi citizens themselves see it the way I do, how is it so farfetched for that to be the case, despite what the left would try to make you believe?
The answer is, it�s not farfetched. Not in the slightest. Clearly this is a good day for America, Iraq, and Jordan, and it will definitely help out our efforts there in the future.
Despite the spin placed upon the positive developments of Iraq by the media, this week was a great week for the American and Iraqi people. We saw the instilment of two Iraqi ministers, the last two needed to complete the Cabinet and government there, the death of the most wanted terrorist in Iraq and Jordan, the end of a major terrorist inspiration, and a striking blow to the terrorists, a victory for the Forces of Good.
No matter how the media tries to spin it, no matter how Osama reacts to this week�s events, no matter what is in the news next week, it is clear that this week has been a great week. We have seen such a great victory, one for which each and every American should be celebrating.
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I don't see any reason not to be cheerful. I was so excited when I learned Zarqawi had been killed and I don't regret anything. It's great news, and Bush isn't coming out with a wink and two thumbs up every time he mentions it. He's not cheering either, remember how businesslike he was when he made his statement about it? The left was all about "getting Zarqawi" up until he was killed, then it's "Well it's good that he's gone but it's not really that important." Are they going to try the same thing when we get Bin Laden? "Oh it's good that the one who killed 3,000 Americans is gone but he hasn't hit us since then and he'll probably just get more followers now." That's just speculation on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me. I know the left loves pessimism and seeing endless violence in Iraq just for the purpose of hurting the administration, but for one day they should be able to say "This is fantastic news!" if nothing more. I think this is going to backfire on them, dumb Dems.
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| Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:51 pm |
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Evil or not no one should celebrate someone's death. Just because he is a dead man doesn't mean the violence will end the President needs to stop focusing on this matter and go back to hunting down the evil insurgency.
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| Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:47 pm |
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*ahem* The President himself says that Zarqawi's death won't end the violence and have you been paying attention to the raids? More than 200 raids since Zarqawi's death have killed or captured hundreds of suspected insurgents and there's also the massive crackdown in Baghdad. We are hitting them hard. I think I heard on Fox that we're going to be going into Samarra soon too.
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| Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:12 pm |
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Precisely. No one is saying that it will end the violence. All we're saying is that this attack is leading us further on the track of victory, and that's something worth praising.
Because of the death of this one man, so much has happened. We've gotten TONS of information and whatnot from, as Kyle said, the 200 or so raids that have occurred since the death. This death is good for our men and women in uniform, and for the Iraqis. The world is better off now that we have ridden it of this evil man. There is more than enough ample reason to celebrate this man's death, and as Kyle said, Bush didn't really even do much of any celebrating. He didn't downplay it like the left or the media, but he downplayed any exaggeratory hype over the death, while still acknowledging the benefits that we have received from it. We're on the up and up in Iraq right now, and much of that can be attributed to the death of Zarqawi.
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I have read that Zarqawi lasted 52 minutes after the attack. I hope he suffered horribly during evey second of that time.
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^Some part of me thinks the same seeing he suposedly caused equally or more suffering anyways, with intention. I don't care if someone targets a nation (government, with very well cause), the fact someone goes after civilians is the worst in my books. Good news that he is discarded in my books, but not really a celebration type event. Lets continue to find more terrorists, with Australia, UK and other allies on the USA's side.
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Kyle Reese PMed me a little bit of fantastic info on Iraq since Zarqawi's death. Fantastic news that you won't hear in the mainstream media. Namely, the number of raids is now 452, with 104 insurgents killed, 759 captured, and 28 weapons caches found. Fantastic news. Keep it up. With this and Operation Mountain Thrust in Afganhistan, we're making headway against the terrorists.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:55 pm |
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I wanted to make a separate post for this, so I will this once.
Out of those 452 raids, 143 of them were done solely by the Iraqis.
One of the documents they obtained in the raid on Zarqawi's unsafehouse has Zarqawi discussing how time was on the American's side and gave a negative outlook on their chances for victory, basically conceding that we're winning the war. Hannity discussed the letter on his radio show in the last hour.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:56 pm |
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Its good news that this person is dead, but only because no more innocents will die and no more good Muslims will be poisoned by his twisted teachings of Islam. He was an evil person and got what he deserved for all the death that he caused.
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I can see why some people don't want to dance and celebrate over his death. While I do think most of the left won't do it mainly because it is an admission of falibility in their politics and their stance in this "losing" war. On the other hand though, I can understand why people don't dance over someone's death. I remember watching it and was glad that the man could no longer hurt innocent people, but a part of me felt strange celebrating death. Usually we mourn it. I think Sisko said it best in the final episode of DS9 when Martok said to drink blood wine over the fallen, dead bodies of Cardassians. Martok said "the Bajorans would call this poetic justice." To which Sisko replies "That doesn't mean I have to drink a toast over their bodies." I think I'm with Sisko on this. I think the terrorist is dead, this is good news for innocents and the war. Now...time ot move on from it.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:09 pm |
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I drank a toast over his dead body, and I'm proud to say that I did! (figuratively speaking, not literally drinking a toast)
I firmly believe that it is entirely right and justified to celebrate over the death of this man. It truly is.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:13 pm |
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I wanted to throw a party  But i'm too lazy, and not many would've actually shown up I bet. Anyways, this is the beginning of the end for Al Qaeda in Iraq.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:15 pm |
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I'm not saying it's bad to celebrate his death, although I'm not so sure that is what Jesus would want us to do, but I'm saying that I can understand why some people would not be dancing around over a person's death....that is my point.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:23 pm |
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Actually, I don't think Jesus would necessarily be opposed to that celebration, because Zarqawi was a souless, sub-human animal. I think he'd have no qualms with such a celebration, but I'm not Jesus, so I'm going to cease presumptions here. I know that a number of religious leaders have praised the victory, however.
And yeah, everyone should be celebrating his death, no matter what their reasons for it--and there are different aspects to this that yield different reasons for celebration, but as Bill O'Reilly said, "Every loyal American should be celebrating this victory," or however he worded it. I happen to fully agree with him.
It was a victory worthy of celebration and has yielded so many good things from Iraq, good things the media would simply like to hide from us all.
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:26 pm |
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I don't think Jesus would approve of anyone celebrating over anyone's death. However I'm not Jesus and don't think the way he does, which is why I celebrate Zarqawi's death.
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Well, okay, I don't think he'd approve of it, but I'd think he'd understand why people would do it and everything.
You're right in saying that we're not Jesus and everything, and it's a justifiable celebration, so I think it's okay and justified and right to celebrate his death and this victory.
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Lord Borg
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:23 pm |
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I find that highly disturbing for someone to even suggest that he would approve or, 'understand' why we'd celebrate. I didn't 'celebrate' his death per se, although it is indeed, a victory...
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Kyle Reese
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:35 pm |
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Well I think he'd understand why we celebrate it. Because we're human. I don't think he would approve of us doing it but he would understand why. Saying that he understands why we celebrate it isn't anywhere near saying that he's ok with it.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:42 pm |
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Well, if he's all-knowing then he understands everything. So blah.
On topic.
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