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Valathous The Canadian, eh
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:11 am |
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Hahahaha! Oh yeah! What awesome news to wake up to! I'll be cheerful all day.
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Puck The Texan
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:37 am |
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What a great moment for Iraqis!
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CJ Cregg Commodore
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:52 am |
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This is very good news, hopefully the rest of Al Qaeda in Iraq will be so disorganise that they are caught and killed more easily.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:31 pm |
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I've been following this to the best of my ability all day, getting a little bit of time to watch the news in the middle of babysitting and time before I left for that.
My thoughts: Excellent news. This is really a critical blow to al Quada in Iraq. We keep taking these blows at the terrorists there, and so it really responds itself to the idea that we shouldn't have been there. This just shows that what we're doing is really helping in the War on Terror. It's bringing the terrorists to this state and, while the citizens of that state are in trouble, puts them into a single area where we can concentrate on them and bring critical blows to them. This just shows more and more how we are winning the terror war.
That being said, I love the way many on the left are starting to interpret this. They either go the route of John Kerry, saying that this shows that it's time to leave, or they go the other route, saying that this is only going to bring more chaos and disorder into Iraq.
This, my friends, is phenominal news. It sends a message to the Iraqis that they can now better stand up and fight for their country. It sends a message to the terrorists that we will get them, and that we're able to destroy them. It disorganizes the terrorists and hurts their effort tremendously.
Add this to the appointment of the two final Iraqi ministers and what have you got? More good news from Iraq, and more proof that we are winning the different types of fronts of the war there (physical, psychological, etc.). Let's just see how the media tries to spin this story, however.
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:56 pm |
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Yeah. "He may not have been as important to Al Qaeda in Iraq as once thought." "Questions remain over how the information leading to the air strike was obtained." (Rush talked about that) Blah blah, they'll try to minimize this into just a dead insurgent. Democrats are already trying to use this as a reason we should be able to pull out.
Anyways, this day has been great. The good news didn't even end with Zarqawi's death. We killed one of his lieutenants, his spiritual adviser, and some others in the air strike as well but my favorite part is the 17 raids we launched gained us a "treasure trove" of information, according to officials. Maybe even enough to smash Al Qaeda in Iraq into a sticky paste. I mean, I wouldn't bet any money on that but it's kind of fun to think about I'm interested in the polls over the next few days.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:09 pm |
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You are correct, my friend.
Adding on to my argument before, Al Quada has clearly bet a lot on Iraq. If they lose this state, then it will be a critical blow to the terrorists and their effort. And all this stuff--the will of the Iraqi people, the death of Zarqawi and his lieutenent, etc. etc.--is only proving that they are losing this effort, despite the idiocy of the left and the liberal media which tries to make the effort appear worthless.
If they lose Iraq then they will lose much support throughout the world. A number of terrorist leaders will have been killed their and their effort will be hampered incredibly.
This is why we need to remain in Iraq. Not just so that we can help the Iraqis to establish a democracy, but so that we may wage a critical blow against the terrorists by succeeding there, helping our country out considerably.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:50 pm |
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(Is that spam?)
Anyway, a customer informed me of this today, then we were all watching CNN in the breakroom.
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:50 pm |
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This is good news. Yet another sign that the world wide efforts are not in Vain
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:56 pm |
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More specifically, however, that the War in Iraq is not in vain.
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harrykims#1fan Fan Girl Muskateer
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:18 am |
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.......And about time to! bout time that (insert nasty word) got his comuppance
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webtaz99 Commodore
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:51 am |
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All I can say is WOOT! and Thank You to the Iraqis who provided the intel.
Ordinary citizens are the real soldiers in the "War on Terror". Our military has the power to get things done, but they need need to know who and where the bad guys are.
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CJ Cregg Commodore
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:44 pm |
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Here's something absolutely CRAZY!!! The reactions from the FAR left
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Cindy Sheehan: Zarqawi's Death Bad News
"Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, predicting that it will actually make things worse for U.S. troops in Iraq.
"I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse," she told Cincinnati, Ohio's 9News.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/10/115133.shtml?s=rss
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Then you have:
On the Air America radio popular with the US Democratic party, talk show host Randi Rhodes condemned the killing of Zarqawi
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Democrats on the left-leaning website Democratic Underground expressed skepticism that Zarqawi ever existed, and called him a tool of the US military propaganda machine
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"This is just to cover Bush's [rear] so he doesn't have to answer" for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat
And to think i used to be liberal
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:30 pm |
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Y'know i really hate that woman. Things like that justify why I do....
BOT.
I still say good news.
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:40 pm |
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Yeah Mrs. Sheehan? Well I suspect our military will go on the offensive with all the intel we've collected and smash Al Qaeda in Iraq for good.
She's right about one thing. Zarqawi's death is bad news. Bad news for the left. I think she's just annoying and unimportant now.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:46 pm |
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Kyle, right on. CJ, right on. This is all absolutely disgusting, I can't tell you.
How the left just can't take a minute to celebrate the death of such a man is sickening. What idiocy.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:27 pm |
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Hmmm, I'm very liberal and I think his death is a good thing. Thanks for catagorizing me with the extremists, everyone.
As for Sheehan. I thought what she originally did for her son was good, but at this point she just seems to be enjoying all the attention. I wouldn't even bother paying attention to her.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:36 pm |
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Though you are quite a liberal guy, Val, we don't lump you in with the "far-left" or the "extremist left." You may be very liberal, but that doesn't mean that you're not mainstream in certain aspects (the ones in question here, for instance) of your thought.
At any rate, yeah, she's simply far left now, working for left-wing interests. She's definitely not one to be taken seriously, that's for sure.
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Puck The Texan
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:41 pm |
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Dan is much too lovable to be lumped with the far left extermists, imho .
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Link, the Hero of Time Vice Admiral
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:08 am |
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When I was reading the New York Post a few days ago they had his picture with a voice bubble next to it saying "Warm up the virgins."
I can understand why people are happy he's dead.
BUT I can understand why people aren't and it is in no way, shape or form a political thing as everyone seems to be pointing out. Anyone should see that he is now a martyr, And a Martyr has more power then anyone can believe.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:17 am |
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How is he a martyr? A martyr is a person who gives himself up for a cause. He was killed without willingly given him. That makes him the opposite of a martyr.
And even if he's considered a martyr, that still doesn't make it so that, in any way, that this is a bad thing. It is overwhelmingly good, regardless of whether a few people consider him, wrongfully, to be a martyr.
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Link, the Hero of Time Vice Admiral
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:26 am |
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Republican_Man wrote: | How is he a martyr? A martyr is a person who gives himself up for a cause. He was killed without willingly given him. That makes him the opposite of a martyr. |
And he gave himself up for a cause. He gave himself to the belief that what they are doing is right and just and that it is allah's will. He was killed defending that belief.
Republican_Man wrote: | And even if he's considered a martyr, that still doesn't make it so that, in any way, that this is a bad thing. It is overwhelmingly good, regardless of whether a few people consider him, wrongfully, to be a martyr. |
Let me put this into simple terms to try and explain it then.
Jesus was a Martyr and his death helped christianity take off becoming one of the worlds largest religions. Why did this happen? His death opened the eyes of many.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:30 am |
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Quote: | And he gave himself up for a cause. He gave himself to the belief that what they are doing is right and just and that it is allah's will. He was killed defending that belief. |
He didn't give himself up for a cause. He died in a military assault on his safehouse, nothing more. He didn't know he was going to be attacked; he didn't sacrifice himself; he didn't fight in battle. He was attacked, unknowingly, and died in that attack. That doesn't make him a martyr.
And even if he is considered a martyr, that doesn't change the fact that his death was necessary and a victory.
And I hope you didn't just compare this man to Jesus.
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Puck The Texan
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:33 am |
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Republican_Man wrote: |
And I hope you didn't just compare this man to Jesus. |
I'm sure if you read it in context, it is clear he did not .
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