| What was done with the future technology? |
| Starfleet kept it and applied it to all new ships |
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34% |
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| Starfleet kept it, but only study it, don't use it |
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| S31 kept it and are prepared to unleash it if needed |
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| They immediatly destroyed it, not wanting to pollute the timeline |
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| Other |
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Founder
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 Tue May 30, 2006 4:11 am Future technology...what was done with it? |
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I think we've all seen the episode "Endgame" on Star Trek Voyager. For those who haven't, the USS Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant with technology from the future. Sadly, it was never addressed as to what Starfleet did with it...
What do you all think happened to it?
Personally? I think they got rid of it, but S31 kept it. S31 is too oppurtunistic to simply throw it away. It would give the UFP an edge if any future threat emerged....
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lionhead
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| Tue May 30, 2006 6:32 am |
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Although in violation of the prime directive they would keep it, study it but don't use it.
only when they know how it works from scrap will they use it.
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PrankishSmart
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| Tue May 30, 2006 7:16 am |
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S31 is a possibility but I personally think the technology in question was takin into starfleet custody as soon as voyager landed.
Another possibility is the technology was taken into custody by the federation from the future (ie 28+ century) to somehow preserve the timeline, yet we know little of the dynamics and physics on trek time travel and paradoxes to make accurate speculation.
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Dracojastin
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| Tue May 30, 2006 8:27 am |
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They would study it and don't use it..
But i think it will be applied to some vessel for testing purposes only or something. The reason for that will be that if the time would come and they had to use it they could and would.
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Lord Borg
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| Tue May 30, 2006 3:32 pm |
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Well, offcially, I am sure they destroyed it. Unoffcially, the new test vessles I am sure are being retrofited with the technology. It was to be invented soon, anyways, how do we know this isnt how it happened? I'm sure S31 got their hands on it at least.
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Theresa
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| Tue May 30, 2006 3:42 pm |
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I think it would be stupid and arrogant to destroy it. How do they know if Janeway pulling the time travel stunt wasn't supposed to happen?
They probably reverse engineered it and used it later on.
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Lord Borg
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| Tue May 30, 2006 3:47 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | I think it would be stupid and arrogant to destroy it. How do they know if Janeway pulling the time travel stunt wasn't supposed to happen?
They probably reverse engineered it and used it later on. |
Good point, but the Federation are masters at Stupidity and Arrogance at times. I do agree, with it being so close to the time it was 'invented' it was probably reversed engineered.
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Voyager2004
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| Tue May 30, 2006 9:12 pm |
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Ya, that's what I think happened...
They took it off Voyager, and they studied it. And after studying it, it would make sense to release the technology at the approximate time that it was invented anyway...ya know? Maybe that's how they got the technology in the first place...Voyager got home from the DQ and somehow or another the Federation gets the technology, and then Admiral Janeway takes it back in time and then it is brought back to the AQ "EARLY" and then Starfleet releases it at the approximate time it was "invented." Kind of a paradox thing! LOL...I love paradoxes!
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| Wed May 31, 2006 9:40 am |
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I think they keep it, study it, but not use it.
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Theresa
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| Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:13 pm |
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Why wouldn't they use it?
Imagine it was like the Terminator movies. Some things are just meant to be. If we think it was ok for Janeway to go and mess with the timeline, literally re-writing Voyagers history, it must also be concluded that it's ok to use the technology she brought back. It's unfair to allow tampering for the good of the few, when it can also result in the good of the many. It's rather discriminatory, no?
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:24 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | Why wouldn't they use it?
Imagine it was like the Terminator movies. Some things are just meant to be. If we think it was ok for Janeway to go and mess with the timeline, literally re-writing Voyagers history, it must also be concluded that it's ok to use the technology she brought back. It's unfair to allow tampering for the good of the few, when it can also result in the good of the many. It's rather discriminatory, no? |
Another good point, but Starfleet can deny it, but they are very descimatory. by nemesis though it must not be on all ships or any the Ent-E deff didnt have that tech...
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| Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Well, it would take longer than a year or two to reverse engineer tech of that caliber. Just because ENT-E didn't have it, doesn't mean any decision was reached regarding it. Even after they figured it all out, they'd have to build and test it.
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:24 pm |
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Oh, I didn't deny that, they would have to study it, because they did mention in endgame it had to be adjusted for Voyager.
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Voyager2004
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:24 am |
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I wouldn't say by the time of Nemesis it was time to release it...Nemesis took place just under two years of Voyager's return...(Going by Stardates, of course...Voyager was home at Stardate
54973.4, and Nemesis took place on Stardate 56844.9.) So that's too early a time, in my opinion, to release the technology for fleet use...
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Founder
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:33 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | Why wouldn't they use it?
Imagine it was like the Terminator movies. Some things are just meant to be. If we think it was ok for Janeway to go and mess with the timeline, literally re-writing Voyagers history, it must also be concluded that it's ok to use the technology she brought back. It's unfair to allow tampering for the good of the few, when it can also result in the good of the many. It's rather discriminatory, no? |
Not all of us agree with that. Personally, I think she should hang for that. She screwed up the timeline. 
I would like to point out that the technology is not like centuries ahead. Just a couple of decades. Maybe like using 1980s military weaponry during WWII. It would make quite the difference, I'd say.
Although...most of that technology is to combat the Borg I think. It certainly did not miraculously blow up the Klingons.
So I'm not sure. You do make interesting points T.
I'm still undecided in my answer....
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Theresa
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:48 pm |
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I don't think Janeway should've gotten away with it, hence the "if". I was just saying from that
POV. And I think Chris told me that they weren't really far from developing the stuff anyway. That'd be too much indepth Trekkiness for me to know, 
It always intrigues me that the 'timeline continuity' people could say they know best. From what POV? We don't know if something was meant to happen to be a catalyst for something else, and so on. The only way they could know is to time travel themselves.
Like in TOS, Kirk and Gary Seven. Kirk was meant to be there.
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:56 pm |
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Yeah that is true. It could simply be a predestination paradox. Although, if that is the case. How did they get the technology in the FIRST place?
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Theresa
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:02 pm |
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That's like asking where the glasses McCoy got Kirk first came from, (In STII/STIV)
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Lord Borg
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| Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:32 pm |
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It was probably invented, but the time travle made the tech happen earlier
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Voyager2004
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| Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:53 am |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | It was probably invented, but the time travle made the tech happen earlier |
Ya, that's kind of the point I was getting at...They got the technology from Voyager getting home...but they took it back and got it earlier, so they didn't release it until about the time it was created, therefore it then goes back in time to help Voyager get home early, so Starfleet gets the technology early, and then don't release it until about when it was invented, and then it goes back........So on and so forth....I love paradoxes! LOL...
| Founder wrote: | | I would like to point out that the technology is not like centuries ahead. Just a couple of decades. |
It's not even quite a couple of decades...just under 2 decades...But there is room for debate that it might be just over 2 decades...so who really knows...it's no more than 2 decades more advanced than Starfleet is now...
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PrankishSmart
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| Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:27 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Yeah that is true. It could simply be a predestination paradox. Although, if that is the case. How did they get the technology in the FIRST place? |
Thats always the point. Just for Star Trek's case I have been thinking up my own theory that time travel may involve slightly different parallel universes, where this future technology may came from a slightly parallel universe which makes paradoxes not applicable in that instance. Given trek's writers abusing the concept of parallel universes for whatever story they think of that might be a considered theory, that the parallel universe is where this future janeway actually came from. I'm working more on my theory. It makes me think more of the very concept of parallel universes.
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| Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:35 pm |
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weel i think that applying it to all ships wld be COOL but it wld be breakin the TPM so i think S31 kept it and when a real treat rose up they would apply it to all the ships  ps i voted for the 1st 1
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Species_125
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| Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:21 am |
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What's all this about changing/preserving the timeline? Janeway herself invented that technology! There's no paradox here, she just gets to "invent" it a few years earlier...
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| Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:01 pm |
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| Species_125 wrote: | | What's all this about changing/preserving the timeline? Janeway herself invented that technology! There's no paradox here, she just gets to "invent" it a few years earlier... |
Janeway didn't invent it. At least, not alone. She did help with the research of it. Since it was made primarily to combat the Borg, I can imagine that Seven of Nine helped in it's creation as well.
Also, this isn't as simple as "she gets to invent it a few years earlier". Applying that technology to Federation ships risks alienating "allies. For example, the Romulans could see them applying this to their starships and get paranoid that the Federation is arming itself with powerful future technology. Thus, they may launch a preemptive strike against them and another war happens.
Or maybe at some pivotal battle, the Federation has the technology and it wins the battle in their favor, but it wasn't meant to, changing everything.
Time travel isn't as...simplistic as Star Trek(the franchise as whole) makes it out to be. There are so many variables when it comes to time travel, that I don't see why the Temporal Federati-oh wait....
I don't see why the Department of Temporal Affairs would allow them to not only keep it, but apply it to ships. It maybe a STRETCH, but I can see them not wanting to destroy it, but apply it to ships? Nope.
Besides, Star Trek: Nemesis does not show the Enteprise-E with the technology and that movie takes place a year after Endgame. If they had begun applying it to Federation ships, you would think they would arm the flagship. Not to mention the problem that some of the technology isn't even compatible with ships of that era...
Then again, one could argue that they're applying it to all the NEW ships built...
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Lord Borg
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| Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:17 pm |
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Yeah, maybe the new ships, the stuff that was compatible. But... you'd think the flagship of the fleet would still get it...
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