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Valathous
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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 1:38 pm    Canadian Authorities Catch 17 Terrorists

MSN.com wrote:
Canada charges 17 in plot to blow up buildings
Authorities: Group had 3 tons of material used in �95 Oklahoma City blast.


> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663276/?GT1=8211 <


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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 1:41 pm    

Sweet, Yay Canada!


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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 1:41 pm    

Just saw this on the news. Definitely good news. Good work, Canada. Even more proof that this is a global war on terror--that this is World War Three, adding Canada even further into the mix.
In terms of terrorism, things are a lot better than under the Clinton administration. Not only have we not had another terrorist attack on our home soil, but the world has become increasingly vigilant with regards to terrorism.



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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 1:59 pm    

Before reading this article I actually wasn't aware Bin Laden named Canada as one of it's five targets. That's never good news. I'm glad our police managed to stop them, though. Could have caused a looooooot of damage in Toronto and killed a lot of people considering that is the business capital of Canada (2.3ish million people).

As for being WWIII? No. I still find that calling it that is insulting to the war veterans of WWI and WWII. It's the War on Terrorism and leave it at that. They do not have a home nation, they do not have political authority, they do not have armies but rather random groups, and there are no set warfronts, either..


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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 2:14 pm    

At least there has been some good news this week, what with the Earthqauke and all...

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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 2:14 pm    

Calling it World War Three isn't an insult to the veterans that gave their lives during the previous three world wars, not by a long shot. You have to look at the facts. We're in the middle of a war, and it's spanning virtually the entire world.
There may not be a single notable entity in the war, but it involves a HECK of a lot of countries, and includes countries themselves that are enemies. You have the US, Canada, the UK, Britain, Spain, Australia, Iran, Iraq, Afganhistan, Kuwait, and numerous other countries. That qualifies it as a world war. It may not be the same kind of world war as I or II, but it still is a world war.



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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 2:24 pm    

I agree with Dan. World War means one thing. A thing that we all know, and it has a history. The War on Terror is something completely new, completely unprecidented. The term "World War" was never meant to be indicative of how many countries were involved.
To call it World War III is to put it in the same category as the first two. It cannot be.



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PostSat Jun 03, 2006 11:13 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
Calling it World War Three isn't an insult to the veterans that gave their lives during the previous three world wars, not by a long shot. You have to look at the facts. We're in the middle of a war, and it's spanning virtually the entire world.
There may not be a single notable entity in the war, but it involves a HECK of a lot of countries, and includes countries themselves that are enemies. You have the US, Canada, the UK, Britain, Spain, Australia, Iran, Iraq, Afganhistan, Kuwait, and numerous other countries. That qualifies it as a world war. It may not be the same kind of world war as I or II, but it still is a world war.


I would personally consider the definition of a world war to be some nation(s) or countrie(s) vs other nation(s) or countrie(s), and involving governments vs governments. I don't even think you could compare the war against terror to world war II.


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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 12:26 am    

Here is something that I would call a convincing case for calling it World War Three:
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Are we in the midst of World War Three as Bill O'Reilly recently suggested on his TV show? If so, will September 11, 2001 be the date history books note as the beginning? The case could be made for this, as we are involved in a worldwide conflict, which could take years to resolve. While this conflict currently seems to be centered upon the countries of the Middle East, we cannot overlook the fact that hostilities may soon be breaking out in Asia as well. Each enemy we face represents tyranny and repression. Their ideology is in direct conflict with freedom and democracy. Once again, an enemy struck an unsuspecting America while she slept. Was September 11th this generations' Pearl Harbor? Will it take a second attack of this magnitude for America to unite behind President Bush and win World War Three?


Check out the article. I think it's a good case, and I agree with it.



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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 1:46 am    

I personally think it's too soon to call it WWIII, kind of like how WWI was originally called the Great War. I really have to say this though RM, if there is another 9/11 I bet Bush will get blamed for it. "He couldn't protect us!" "You've got your damn Patriot Act, what in the hell happened?!" and of course "I bet he planned it, just like he planned 9/11." Damn conspiracy theorists. Anyways my point is that I don't think another 9/11 will unite us all behind Bush again.

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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 2:27 am    

Who was it that predicted (before 9/11) that world war 3 would begin with the destruction of two very large buildings?

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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 3:12 am    

Nostradamous, I think.

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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 2:26 pm    

I believe it was Nostradamous as well, and he has an eerie way of predicting the future, only it is not actually realized until after the event occurs...I'm sure that LightningBoy has the exact answer, however, as he is a "student" of Nostradamous.


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PostSun Jun 04, 2006 2:49 pm    

In a World War, as based on historical events, countries come to each others aid. At this point, most of the world thinks we deserved 9/11. (look it up) If we were to be really attacked again, who can we count on? Other than Great Britain and most probably Australia. Canada? I'm aware we have allies, and by such an agreement, they are honor bound, and legally bound, to help us, but we've seen nations squirm through loopholes before. (Iraq for over a decade, anyone?)
We have "coalition forces", and UN led forces, but I don't really see any unity.
"A war unlike anything we've ever faced before". (Bush) That statement alone negates that it could be a new world war. Like Dan said, there are no clear battlefronts. The enemy does not show himself and fight with honor. At least the Nazi's did that. (And no, I consider them monsters, too, no defending any of them)



Dan, do you mind if this convo is continued here, or would you like another topic made for it?



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PostTue Jun 06, 2006 3:51 pm    

This is awesome news. Alright Canada!

Glad to hear the terrorists are behind bars. Hopefully this proves that the terrorists don't just come from south of the border...


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PostTue Jun 06, 2006 3:57 pm    

Hopefully that comment just proves your ignorance, Founder j/k
Seriously, though, everyone who's worried about the southern border--including the Minutemen--has shown concern towards the northern border--including the Minutemen, which have already sent people up to the northern border.
The fact is, both of our borders are porous, and both of them need greater security. The southern border is only more of a threat because there are so many more people entering this country illegally. However, this only proves how important it is that we secure our nothern border as well.



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PostTue Jun 06, 2006 4:07 pm    

Very little focus has been put on the northern border. I don't remember the northern border making the news. A casual comment about it, means nothing.

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PostTue Jun 06, 2006 4:52 pm    

Seeing as I live in Michigan, very close to Detroit, which is in turn very close to the U.S./Canada border, I hear about border junk all the time. However, I have never heard of anything this big.

But...really...I don't think that our Northern border needs more security. Although, when things like this arise, maybe...then, maybe...but, keep those Minutemen out of Michigan!



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PostWed Jun 07, 2006 4:51 pm    

Um, why would you need to strengthen your Northern border when these terrorists were planning to attack Toronto (40 minutes from me!), and not planning to cross into the US? Besides, Bush has already changed it so as of January 1st, 2007 you need a passport to cross and not just a driver's license anymore.

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PostWed Jun 07, 2006 7:04 pm    

La Forge wrote:
But...really...I don't think that our Northern border needs more security. Although, when things like this arise, maybe...then, maybe...but, keep those Minutemen out of Michigan!


Aw man, but that means we have to keep them.

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Um, why would you need to strengthen your Northern border when these terrorists were planning to attack Toronto (40 minutes from me!), and not planning to cross into the US? Besides, Bush has already changed it so as of January 1st, 2007 you need a passport to cross and not just a driver's license anymore.


No no, I didn't mean in THIS case. For example, the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada If I recall correctly. I'm not attacking Canada or anything , my main point was making fun of how certain people say that protecting the southern border is important because terorrists can come through there. I'm not denying that there is truth to that, that worries me too, but people need to understand they can come from anywhere...


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PostWed Jun 07, 2006 11:56 pm    

I applaud the canadian police force. This goes to show that our efforts world wide are not in vain.

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