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Lord Borg
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It's plot holes, the first time it made sense, untill that last second, they almost won. the second time, they had a plan that was sure to win, but they didnt count on a ship following them, let alone one that had Picard on it. HOWEVER, Founder is right. IF one Cube ALMOsT does it, why not use to to insure victory?
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| Quote: | | The borg are about Effiency, not brute force. 1 cube is more effient as 2, in resources way. |
No. They are brute force. I've never seen them act efficient.
| Quote: | | and, perhaps if you take out the Dominion... They can beat the Cardassians and Romulans can't they? I mean, they can beat the Federation and Klingons with ease, so why not the cardassians and romulans with them? Their weapons are just the same, won't do a thing. |
I can agree they can beat each race(minus the Dominion) ONE BY ONE, not altogether.
| Quote: | | Sure, and a little girl is send to Vuclan to infiltrate the planet.... NAh, just kidding. The borg just don't think lie that, they do'believe in sneak attacks, or diversions. Have they ever used that? |
No they haven't. Thus proving they are not efficient, but brutes. Surely after so many failures, maybe a change in tactic would be a good idea?
| Quote: | i didn't say suddenly, i said immediately, no time to talk to the fleet(althought it would in fact be stupid of the queen to actually believe they would listen)
Maybe they only fear picard |
Maybe, maybe not. Do you think they fear 7 of 9 too?
| Quote: | | Those 2 and 3 could be just the number they where missing, Calculations Founder, efficiency. |
I doubt it. Have you seen how many cubes they have? Tons. If using only two would somehow upset the balance, why not MAKE two specifically for that task?
| Quote: | | How are we a threath? Sure, after all what happened in VOY, but before that we where just a little skitmark. |
Because we can beat them....
| Quote: | | They did go back, the borg. So they could have sooner, and aferwards. If we wanted we could go back, but we don't for our reasons, the borg have too |
We don't go back, because we have no reason to. The Borg do have a reason, assimilating us.
| Quote: | | Icheb's species isn't. what about Ferengi, Vaadwaur and Species 116? |
Did you not see the episode? Icheb's species is not assimilated for a reason. They gave their children to the Borg to appease them.
Ferengi? Why would the Borg want to assimilate them?
Vaadwaur? Again, why assimilate them? Also, only a handful of them exist and they have those tunnels to flee into. The Borg would never be able to catch them...
Species 116 IS assimilated....
| Quote: | | Despite all of this they were assimilated in 2374 after the Borg defeated Species 8472, thanks to the brief alliance between the USS Voyager and the Borg. Only 20,000 members of this race were able to escape. |
source: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Species_116
| Quote: | | Sending 2 cubes at once and finally taking over humanity? -OR- Sending cube after cube while each cube gets destroyed? Not very efficient b/c they just lost 10 cubes and wasted the "precious" resources that you claim the Borg so boldy don't wish to waste. |
That is perfectly said Voyager2004. Sending one after another is not conserving resources....
| Quote: | | It's plot holes, the first time it made sense, untill that last second, they almost won. the second time, they had a plan that was sure to win, but they didnt count on a ship following them, let alone one that had Picard on it. HOWEVER, Founder is right. IF one Cube ALMOsT does it, why not use to to insure victory? |
Exactly Chris. It is a plot hole. Does that mean I hate TNG, VOY, or the Borg? No. I'm simply saying they backed themselves into a wall with making the cubes so uber powerful. What they SHOULD have done was make the cubes powerful, but not show they have like 1000000000 cubes on VOY. They should have established that ONE cube was resource heavy and rare or simply not made them that powerful. They wrote themselves into a wall with making the Borg so powerful...
I will say this, kudos to lionhead for debating me on that. Cause quite frankly, you did put up an excellant argument. Usually, no one can answer it. I don't agree with it, but nicely done. 
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| Quote: | | Icheb's species isn't. what about Ferengi, Vaadwaur and Species 116? |
Not to mention the fact that the Vaadwaur were also in stasis for 900 years, so they're just now fresh and open to the Borg. And on top of there only being a handful of them left, they're probably on some isolated planet out of the eye of the Borg for the time being...
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Lord Borg
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The theory of A cube being for a secific task is interesting, like the Drones.
The Cubes ARE rescource intensive, but look at what they do, assimilate technology, rescources, and people. Say it takes 100,000 units of metal to make a Cube, well after several ships, they have that ammount.
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| Quote: | | How are we a threath? Sure, after all what happened in VOY, but before that we where just a little skitmark. |
Because we can beat them....
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See, your wrong right thre. we Can't beat "Them" all we beat are 2 cubes, just 2. Like you said yourself they have hundreds of those things, so why take out resources for a species that can hardly beat 1 cube at a time?
Doesn't seem very worthy to me. You all might hope that we are so important to the borg but we are not, at least not untill Voyager got home.
Really, i'll take the same example as i gave too Dracojastin:
IF you want to kidnap a small dog in the middle of the night from his house(because yo want too win a competition with it or osmething), you enter the house alone and search for the dog. But all of the sudden you are attacked by the dog and it bites your hand. Ouch, you retreat cause the hand is bleeding and you need a bandage.
You go back to your car and bandage yourself, "darn dog, how can a small dog like that bite so hard?"
Then you rethink your strategy, by going in the backdoor or Catch it really fast with a bag. Anyways, you will go back becasue yo need to dog for the comptetition, and now even more snce it can bie good, making it a potential guard dog. You go into the house again...But will you contact the local Mob to help you? No, you go alone because you KNOW you can take on al ittle dog.
Second time the dog jump on from the side and you fall through a Cabinet, waking up the entire house. You run, "Next time i will get you"
Well, Earth is the little dog and the borg cube is that man... Get it?
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Lord Borg
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| Tue May 30, 2006 3:27 pm |
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Well, that argument is flawed, I know your first reaction will be to say "No it isnt." but from that viewpoint, if you really wanted that dog and couldnt do it alone, you'd get help...
And that's percisly Founder's point. They may just barely do it, but they DO defeat the single cube. If they can ultimately beat one cube, why not send another? then at that point, theres no chance, victory is asured. The rescources they will get from the entire federation let alone the quadrant would more then make up for it.
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| Tue May 30, 2006 3:41 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | See, your wrong right thre. we Can't beat "Them" all we beat are 2 cubes, just 2. Like you said yourself they have hundreds of those things, so why take out resources for a species that can hardly beat 1 cube at a time?
No, I think we could beat them. Not by ships, but by diseases. It worked on TNG and VOY.
Doesn't seem very worthy to me. You all might hope that we are so important to the borg but we are not, at least not untill Voyager got home.
We are important to the Borg if they continuosly try to assimilate us. Even going as far as trying to screw up our history, not a lightly done thing mind you.
Also, Guinan told Picard "Now that they know about humanity, they'll be coming for you." That is how the Borg operate. When a species has piqued their interest, they dont stop until that species serves them.
Really, i'll take the same example as i gave too Dracojastin:
IF you want to kidnap a small dog in the middle of the night from his house(because yo want too win a competition with it or osmething), you enter the house alone and search for the dog. But all of the sudden you are attacked by the dog and it bites your hand. Ouch, you retreat cause the hand is bleeding and you need a bandage.
You go back to your car and bandage yourself, "darn dog, how can a small dog like that bite so hard?"
Then you rethink your strategy, by going in the backdoor or Catch it really fast with a bag. Anyways, you will go back becasue yo need to dog for the comptetition, and now even more snce it can bie good, making it a potential guard dog. You go into the house again...But will you contact the local Mob to help you? No, you go alone because you KNOW you can take on al ittle dog.
Second time the dog jump on from the side and you fall through a Cabinet, waking up the entire house. You run, "Next time i will get you"
Well, Earth is the little dog and the borg cube is that man... Get it? |
Well, I wouldn't be as stupid as the Borg and keep trying and failing. Eventually, I'd realise that there is more to this dog then meets the eye. I would step up and get help or at least try to differ in my approach of kidnapping the dog. Doing the same thing over and over and over and failing, IS failing. Even if you come close to it.
What it sounds like to me is you're saying the Borg are underestimating Humanity and overestimating their own strength. They see it as "Ok, so we failed over and over. We know we can win. They just won over strenuating circumstances.... Lets keep trying until it works because it can."
That sounds like pride and over confidence to me, which I believe the Borg can have through the Queen. But that doesn't change the fact that it is also stupidity.
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lionhead
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I just watched "dark Frontier" how they assimilated Species 10026. and it proofs my theory.
There are 2 possible reasos why there where more than 1 cube there(i counted 2 cubes and a diamond)
1: The queen wanted seven to learn again how the borg operate, when species 10026 attacked with their weapons the queen mentions that they have weapons that can penetrate the shield of the borg diamond, she asks seven how they should adapt, i think the reason for the other 2 cubes being there is that the queen has anticipated that there wil be some delay in adaptation since Seven is still having emotional problems regarding species 10026 so the Diamond alone wouldn't be enough to take on the species, they could have destroyed the diamond and then the attack would have failed. The cubes are there for a "what if' situation.
2: Species 10026 counted 320000 individuals, when the attack is finished and the species is assimilatd the 2 Borg cubes and the Diamond leave the system, it would seem that the entire speies has been transported to the cubes and assimilated(you see Seven of Nine run around the vessel and a lot of species 10026 are being escorted by drones, if the species would become drones and the yaccupy the planet at the same time there would be no reason for Species 10026 to be on the vessel.) 1 Borg cube can't hold all 320000 individuals so they had a second cube to take every single individual with them.
The reason for Species 10026 assimilation is their distinctiveness and their weapons(that where quickly rendered useless), the borg have already assimilated humans before, so their distinciveness is no longer required. Nothing in the federation except after Voyager got home is more advanced then Borg technology, so nothing is gained when attacking Earth.
If anyone has another example of the Borg using a large nubmer of cubes against a species please share.
Another Fact: in the beginning of the episode voyager is attacked by a small "Probe" vessel. The vessel was obviously no match for Voyager but yet they attacked. Stupid? Not really, because attacking voyager would result in Voyagers weapons firing on the shield of the vessel, so they could adapt. The borg work as a hive mind so all other vessels in Borg Space get that same information and adapt just the same, so next time a Cube encounters voyager its weapons will be less effective. But thats how the borg think, the loss of a vessel isn't considderd a loss at all, just a statistic. Same thing with the Cubes lost against the Federation.
also the decision too attack Voyager was the decision of the Drones, not the borg queen.(to point out that the borg queen doesn't control all borg activity)
ALso, the queen asks Seven to create new nanoprobes too assimilate a certain species, us. she says they attacked Humans twice, both being direct assaults and both failed. So they have created a better strategy. See? They learn from their mistakes, next time will be a very interesting invasion. Maybe next time, we will not win.
Also, In the episodes "Unimatrix 0" we see the borg queen blow up a whole cube when just 1 drone is detected with the technicallity, Stupid?
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Dracojastin
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| Wed May 31, 2006 9:38 am |
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Ok i just saw the Dark Frontier...
And of what ik can tell of it is that lionhead could be right all along...
The Borg Queen talks about attacking earth but wants more insight from seven. And it seems she still want to do it with one ship or so... And by frontal attack as she did before..
The awnser to my question would be: Arogance
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lionhead
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| Wed May 31, 2006 9:45 am |
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Not by frontal attack, by use of a Nanoproboe virus released into earths atmosphere.
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| Wed May 31, 2006 9:49 am |
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^Indeed i should refrase it to With one ship again.
And with those enhanced nanoprobes.
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| Wed May 31, 2006 4:57 pm |
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| lionhead wrote: | I just watched "dark Frontier" how they assimilated Species 10026. and it proofs my theory.
There are 2 possible reasos why there where more than 1 cube there(i counted 2 cubes and a diamond)
1: The queen wanted seven to learn again how the borg operate, when species 10026 attacked with their weapons the queen mentions that they have weapons that can penetrate the shield of the borg diamond, she asks seven how they should adapt, i think the reason for the other 2 cubes being there is that the queen has anticipated that there wil be some delay in adaptation since Seven is still having emotional problems regarding species 10026
Delay? What delay? So she waited for Seven to come up with how they would adapt. The Queen knew all along how they would adapt, and if Seven took too long she would have done it herself. She just wanted to know of Seven would remember, or offer up the "help" to the Borg.
so the Diamond alone wouldn't be enough to take on the species, they could have destroyed the diamond and then the attack would have failed. The cubes are there for a "what if' situation.
2: Species 10026 counted 320000 individuals, when the attack is finished and the species is assimilatd the 2 Borg cubes and the Diamond leave the system, it would seem that the entire speies has been transported to the cubes and assimilated(you see Seven of Nine run around the vessel and a lot of species 10026 are being escorted by drones, if the species would become drones and the yaccupy the planet at the same time there would be no reason for Species 10026 to be on the vessel.) 1 Borg cube can't hold all 320000 individuals so they had a second cube to take every single individual with them.
What says that one cube couldn't hold all the occupants of the planet? That's like saying a Galaxy class ship can't evacuate the crew of an Intrepid class ship. Or a better example, like when Voyager evacuated the entire Klingon ship in Season 7...there were 200 Klingons on that ship with Voyager's already approximate 150. So you make room if you really want something.
The reason for Species 10026 assimilation is their distinctiveness and their weapons(that where quickly rendered useless), the borg have already assimilated humans before, so their distinciveness is no longer required.
So if Human distinctiveness is no longer required, then how come the Queen talks about the very assimilation of Humans and their next attempt in this episode?
Nothing in the federation except after Voyager got home is more advanced then Borg technology, so nothing is gained when attacking Earth.
If anyone has another example of the Borg using a large nubmer of cubes against a species please share.
Another Fact: in the beginning of the episode voyager is attacked by a small "Probe" vessel. The vessel was obviously no match for Voyager but yet they attacked. Stupid? Not really, because attacking voyager would result in Voyagers weapons firing on the shield of the vessel, so they could adapt. The borg work as a hive mind so all other vessels in Borg Space get that same information and adapt just the same, so next time a Cube encounters voyager its weapons will be less effective. But thats how the borg think, the loss of a vessel isn't considderd a loss at all, just a statistic. Same thing with the Cubes lost against the Federation.
also the decision too attack Voyager was the decision of the Drones, not the borg queen.(to point out that the borg queen doesn't control all borg activity)
So give me proof it wasn't the Borg Queen! There was NOTHING stating that it wasn't the Queen. And as I have stated before, they are REGULATED by the Queen, so all decisions go through her. So, they may have made the "decision" to attack, but it was finalized and "OK'd" by the Queen. Just like in Endgame when they said they will persue and assimilate, and the Queen said, "No, they haven't compromised our security."
ALso, the queen asks Seven to create new nanoprobes too assimilate a certain species, us. she says they attacked Humans twice, both being direct assaults and both failed. So they have created a better strategy. See? They learn from their mistakes, next time will be a very interesting invasion. Maybe next time, we will not win.
Also, In the episodes "Unimatrix 0" we see the borg queen blow up a whole cube when just 1 drone is detected with the technicallity, Stupid? |
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| Wed May 31, 2006 5:26 pm |
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Maybe you have never noticed but the queen never speaks as an Individual. Eveything is either "us" or "we". She isn't in control, she can't because in the borg collective there is no "She". She doesn't have any supreme control over borg actions, she doesn't have any Individuality, she is just a vessel used for communication with other species. Like Locutus. and also Seven of Nine probably because they want too find out abut individuality, and beat it by making Seven joining the Borg as volunterr. I remember Janeway saying that in one episode.
The "dark frontier" episodes focusses on Seven of nine and her relationship with the Borg, the borg are interested in Seven of nine because of her individuality, they use the borg queen to talk to her, because she can relate to her, instead of talking to the Borg collective directly.
The borg wouldn't have adapted to the weaponso f species 10026 if seven didn't. They know she woldn't let herself get destroyed on that diamon, they where testing her.
| Quote: | | So if Human distinctiveness is no longer required, then how come the Queen talks about the very assimilation of Humans and their next attempt in this episode? |
Maybe a test for Seven of nine, although they can do it themselves. The way the borg work they are not in a rush to assimilate Earth, the can do it whenever they want. The idea came from the borg, they wanted Seven to do it as a Test, she didn't do it though, so they went to on with the next step, her parents. Another test, they needed her too go into the collective volunteraly. Earth is irrelevant, Seven was their main goal.
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| Wed May 31, 2006 5:58 pm |
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| Quote: | | and beat it by making Seven joining the Borg as volunterr. I remember Janeway saying that in one episode. |
I don't remember Janeway saying that. And believe me, if Janeway said it, I'd remember it.
| Quote: | | The borg wouldn't have adapted to the weaponso f species 10026 if seven didn't. |
That's the biggest load of crap I'd ever heard in my life!!! The Borg have adaptation technology...and since you're obsessed with the Borg "testing" Seven, then you should have figured out that they were testing her to see if she would help them. They could have done it on their own. Hence the fact the Queen said "We agree."
| Quote: | | She isn't in control, she can't because in the borg collective there is no "She". She doesn't have any supreme control over borg actions, she doesn't have any Individuality, she is just a vessel used for communication with other species |
Ya, I agree she's just a vessel for communication, with a type of control over the Borg as well. Because Annika's parents even said in Dark Frontier said that we believe she's in control...kind of like an insect Queen. I'll find it later. I'm short on time.
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| Wed May 31, 2006 6:06 pm |
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The hansens didn't know anything about the queen.
| Quote: | | That's the biggest load of crap I'd ever heard in my life!!! The Borg have adaptation technology...and since you're obsessed with the Borg "testing" Seven, then you should have figured out that they were testing her to see if she would help them. They could have done it on their own. Hence the fact the Queen said "We agree." |
You didn't understand what i'm trying to say. read the sentence after the one you quoted. Thats why they wouldn't have adapted on their own, Seven would have helped, they knew. if seven didn't do it though, she would have died.... An unanticipated result. would have been interesting for the borgs database though, but nothing more. The 2 cubes would have adapted to the weapons after the Diamond got destroyed, and the species would have been assimilated.
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I doubt that the Diamond would have been destroyed before they could adapt...if Seven, ONE mind, ONE voice could "figure" out how to adapt to it, then the Collective, "BILLIONS" of minds, "BILLIONS" of voices could "figure" it out as well...It didn't take the destruction of the Cube that was attacking the Enterprise-D when they first encountered their weapons to start adapting.
They didn't need Seven to "adapt" to the weapons.
And the Hansens didn't know crap about the Borg? Whatever. Yes, when he stated that, he did say "We believe..." and all but when they found out there was an actual Queen and then her father works "for" or "under" the Queen...please.
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Jeez. You can twist words. I said the hansens don't know anything about the QUEEN, not borg.
and i didn't say they asked Seven how to adapt to it, they knew how, the point was that she was the one saying it, as a test so it would seem she helped them assimilate that species. I hope you at least get what i mean about that now.
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| Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:38 pm |
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I think the borg are still in shambles and the queen 是很笨, very stupid..................as she has 100s of cubes at her diposal, why don she sen abt 50 of them to attack earth? they should make this plot in a movie.. 
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| ~Voyager Fan~ wrote: | | I think the borg are still in shambles and the queen 是很笨, very stupid..................as she has 100s of cubes at her diposal, why don she sen abt 50 of them to attack earth? they should make this plot in a movie.. |
If you are still asking that, you obviosuly haven't read anything anyone has said in the entire topic.
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Because my Drones can't defeat the humans, we try, yet try again, but soon do the humans know, that we the BORG, will send a whole Fleet of Cubes and Spheres, and DESTROY them all, once and for all. Humanity will Seize to Exist, when I am done with them.
WE ARE THE BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMULATED, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, AND HUMANS WILL PERISH.
EARTH is just a simple planet, and the Federation will be broken to a thousand pieces. And they too will PERISH. 
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I have something for all of you to consider. I'm writing a Trek Fanfic. In this fanfic we have the Borg. In this fanfic the Borg in the Delta Quadrant were only a face. They had another collective if you will. Farther away then the Delta Quadrant. As I plan it, my characters will eventually find this place and learn a horrible truth about the Borg.
Just think of it. The Borg in the Delta Quadrant were only a face...
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| Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:46 am |
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Only a face? Meaning what exactly? That the Borg we've seen so far are just an insignificant part to a much greater..."body"? 
That still doesn't answer why the "face" is so ridiculously stupid. Sending two or three cubes won't kill the Borg. Dozens of them fly about the unicomplex, doing absolutely nothing. 
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| Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:50 am |
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Give me some time to write it out. I have this all planned. Part of my fanfic answers a lot of 'What if, Who, Why and When' questions about the Borg.
As you said though, The Borg in the Delta Quadrant are just a small part of something much greater.
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If you like reading about the borg you should try my "History of the borg" story. It explains how i see the borg. its on Fanfiction.com and this forum, somewhere.
But interesting, the Delta Quadrant being only an outpost for the true Borg collective. 
Still, it would be a lot easier to discuss this if there was more info on the borg as they where meant to be in TNG. VOY screwed not only the borg up but the queen as well, they should have explained a lot more, since some things point to one thing and something else points to another thing.
All together its just speculation, fantasy. Some base it on coolness, others on logica, other on action. I still see the borg as the undefeatable monster the federation faced at Wolf 359.
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| Spellbinder Marik wrote: | I have something for all of you to consider. I'm writing a Trek Fanfic. In this fanfic we have the Borg. In this fanfic the Borg in the Delta Quadrant were only a face. They had another collective if you will. Farther away then the Delta Quadrant. As I plan it, my characters will eventually find this place and learn a horrible truth about the Borg.
Just think of it. The Borg in the Delta Quadrant were only a face... |
That sounds like the Phalanx from the X-Men comic book series.
I have my own "fanon" about the origins of the Borg. Where would I publish it?
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