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Link, the Hero of Time
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 Tue May 02, 2006 10:28 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | I understand what you're saying Link. I don't want the Sunday school version. See that is the problem. If I want to talk about the beauty of my religion and it's TRUE message, none of this anti-Gay, anti-this or that stuff, that suddenly means I want the skewed version. It doesn't mean that. There is a hidden depth to it that much be reached. It was simply lost to mistranslations and greedy people who twisted the meaning to suit political gains.
I understand that you want all facets of the Bible to be taught, but if it is soley about "Hah! Look! This story is innacurate! Look! This story is stolen from Egyptians! Look!" etc etc etc. If the entire class is dedicated to how "bad" the Bible is, no greater understanding will be met. People will leave the class with contempt and disgust towards my Christian brothers and sisters. That isn't right either wouldn't you say?
Thats like having a class about Islam and picking out verses that VAGUELY talk about killing infidels. How good it is or whatever. Then people will leave the class thinking that all Muslims are psychotic fundementalists.
We need to teach about the spiritual beauty of religion to understand each other. |
No, no no no no... I have seemed to have Misplaced my point a bit Because that's not what I was trying to say...
If this is going to be taught, I want the beauty of it to be shown as well. The lessons behind it all and the overall message conveied, But I also want to to be broken down so people can understand it better. Broken down so people can understand where cerain ideas came from. Within truth, you can fully understand what they were trying to accomplish.
By skewed version I ment peole are going to walk away thinking that this book is pure fact and should be taken word for word in a kind of Evangelist style.
And Puck, I'd like to hear that, along with where they got their source material to make those assumptions, Becasue there are plenty of historians that would disagree with them.
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Founder
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| Tue May 02, 2006 10:42 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | No, no no no no... I have seemed to have Misplaced my point a bit Because that's not what I was trying to say...
If this is going to be taught, I want the beauty of it to be shown as well. The lessons behind it all and the overall message conveied, But I also want to to be broken down so people can understand it better. Broken down so people can understand where cerain ideas came from. Within truth, you can fully understand what they were trying to accomplish.
By skewed version I ment peole are going to walk away thinking that this book is pure fact and should be taken word for word in a kind of Evangelist style.
And Puck, I'd like to hear that, along with where they got their source material to make those assumptions, Becasue there are plenty of historians that would disagree with them. |
Oh well I do agree. We shouldn't pass it off as 100% fact or whatever. Yes, I agree about the better understanding. It seems to be needed.
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magenta
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| Wed May 03, 2006 12:54 am |
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What if a non religious person wanted to teach a class about evolution.A class that might disprove that god exists.I know science is taught in religious schools too.But something that would put doubt into the kids minds about religion, you wouldnt want that in your school either!
It would cause a big outcry from all people who are religious to disprove what they believe in!
We have no desire to have our taxes fund a class like that in your schools!So why should you expect us to fund what you believe in our schools! 
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 03, 2006 12:57 am |
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Intriguing. I have found, as have many others I know, that evolution only helps to prove, or reaffirm, my religious beliefs and faith. I have no problem with an evolution class taught fairly and whatnot.
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PrankishSmart
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| Founder wrote: | | magenta wrote: | | Theresa the bible is a 'book' that is about religion.I am not religous and do not want my kids taught it!Simple as that! |
So in other words, you want to indoctrinate them with your beliefs and yours alone? |
As I understand her position founder, the opposite of indoctrinating her children with her religion-less beliefs, but preventing a religion class or school of indoctrinating her children with religion beliefs. Ok, so it may be elective, but I think the type of people who are pushing for these religion bible classes have very strong beliefs of their own and want to try and bring religion to the front.
I don't understand whats wrong with taking your children to church or private school? Chances are it's already happening if the beliefs are strong enough in the family, so I don't see why these new 'elective' classes are so necessary. You say it would not be a problem, well there is no problem at the moment without religion in schools. Adding religion to public schools would only cause unnecessary problems and conflicts between students.
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PrankishSmart
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| Wed May 03, 2006 6:30 am |
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Also I didn't mean to change the subject of the topic by adding the subject of sex ed, but was demonstrating that surely tax money could be better spent. Obviously someone is ignorant to the fact that teenage pregnancies ARE going to happen regardless of abstinence programs. Just because those programs work for some people doesn't mean it will work for all.
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teya
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| Wed May 03, 2006 9:15 am |
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| Puck wrote: | | Quote: | | Founder, that wasn't hate speech, that was truth. The bible "borrowed" many of it's main ideas from other belief structures. If your going to teach something, you need to treat it fairly. |
I am sorry, but no. Although some parts of the Bible may very well resemble beliefs of other religions, they are not 'borrowed' as you put it. I heard a great Podcast that discussed just this, and I will see if I can find it for you. That is a whole different subject though, so I won't discuss it further.
But yes, this is the reason why I don't want it taught in public schools-because the people who want it taught I don't think could even agree on how to teach it. That is not what we need. If it is going to be optional, then what's the point? Why don't you just go to church if you want to learn about it? The Church after all is the authority on such matters, so it would only make since to me to go to it. I don't want just any other person teaching kids about the Bible. I want it to be a priest. |
What I find interesting here is that while the supporters of this claim that it won't be only the Christian perspective taught, many--on both sides of the debate--are claiming that *only* the Church (i.e. Christianity) can interpret the Bible.
Do any of you know the Jewish interpretation of the Bible? Do you know what portions of the Bible Christianity and Judaism share?
This isn't an accusation, just curious if you know the basic differences between Christianity and Judaism. The answers may help inform my opinion on the matter.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed May 03, 2006 4:35 pm |
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I know them quite well. In AP Human Geo my teacher is Jewish, and we went over all the major world religions.
And yes, I'm not so sure about this now. Not in terms of religion and education, but in terms of how it will be taught.
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