USS Voyager-Boldly going where-wait-did I say boldy? Whoops

La Forge · **Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:08 pm**

And, for Lynx's sake, they go out and find Kes...yep...(and kill her)

Just a joke!!!

Lynx · **Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:25 am**

Sonic74205 · **Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:07 pm**

Founders idea doesnt seem too bad, accept for the federation screwed over by the dominion. The Q thing seems interesting too, that has potential.

In endgame the two main things i didnt like about it was Janeway coming from the future etc. and the fact they got home at the 7th year when its a 75+ year journey. Admiral Janeway saying it took 20+ years to get home was interesting. And i think it would have gone down better if they did it a bit more like "These are the Voyages" (hate that episode). If they jumped forward to 2383 or something and then something happened to get home then it would have worked better.

The way it seems in endgame as if voyager went. Ok. We have been in this quadrant for 7 years now. And its time we get home to get all of these camera teams off our faces so we can have time out of the public eye. The enterprise-D and deep space nine only had cameras onboard to 7 years and we should too! So lets call it a day and go home...

Lord Borg · **Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:43 pm**

As for the time (75 years down two 20+) remember in several episodes they got shortcuts etc.... which cut it down some but you could be right I guess

Waverider9.9 · Lieutenant, Junior Grade Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Posts: 72

Voyager could average about 380 light years per year, so with the information below, you'll see why they got so excited about these shortcuts e.g The Graviton Catapult speed them across space in a second that could have taken almost two years.

Shortcuts:

Kes' Gift: 9,500 LY to edge of Borg Space.
Slipstream (from the Dauntless): 300 LY
Malon Vortex: 2,500 LY to edge of void
Quantum Slipstream Drive: 10,000 LY
Borg Transwarp: 20,000 LY
Vardwar Subspace Corridor: 200 LY
Graviton Catapult: 600 LY

Those are from the Star Charts guide.

Borg Transwarp Hub: about 29,500 LY

Looks to me as if the producers mucked up the math a bit when the last episodes came around.

It makes me wonder how they could have handled the ending differently, in the alternative universe where it took them 23 years to get back did they slowly appear within comm range? Just faintly appear on a sensor screen? (To massive applause and cheering no doubt)

Lord Borg · **Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:12 pm**

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:53 pm**

My guess is that the VOY crew came back almost exactly like Endgame, minus the future Janeway and the Borg. I think what happened was they were in the Delta for 20 more years and finally found an anomaly or technology or a non-corporeal being helped them. Then they swooped into the Alpha quadrant where everyone (Minus me) cheered their return.

As for Q having a hand in their return, I wouldn't have liked that. Mainly because that would have been just as bad a deus ex machina as Endgame. Not to mention, Q had many oppurtunities to bring them home, but he never did. He seemed to enjoy letting them rot in the Delta. Good ole Q

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I think the idea I said earlier, about them coming home to find a very different Alpha quadrant would have worked so well. After losing my home to Katrina, I go back to my old city and find that this was not the place I grew up in. Even though, when I first came to Texas, I wanted nothing more but to go back. When I did, I didn't recognize it and realized that this will never be the place I grew up in. It would have been bittersweet if the VOY crew realized that when they went to the Alpha and to echo Harry Kim's words, "Maybe it isn't the destination that is important, but the journey."

La Forge · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:58 pm**

Lord Borg · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:01 pm**

La Forge · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:04 pm**

Eh...

Well...We never saw anything of that nature, that I can remember. I would have loved to see more (they didn't show anything, in the first place)...Like...Perhaps, Janeway (Ugh, how I hate her...) returning home to Earth, to find it a totally different place...San Francisco being rebuilt and whatnot...but, no...the writers skimped out on us.

Still...To compare the VOY writers to the DS9 writers is like comparing...Deep Space Nine to Voyager...DS9 wins. DS9 was so much more original and so much more...better...VOY was a rip-off of TNG, plain and simple. They copied so many plots, it was sad.

Lord Borg · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:07 pm**

Well, I never compared them so...dunno where you got that from.

Why they didnt show them get on earth, dunno, but they "got home" that was the point of the series.

La Forge · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:09 pm**

I was talking about my dislike of the VOY writers.

Still, I know that everyone wanted to know what happened to the crew when they returned home. They could have at least shown a little bit of that...Eh...Whatever...

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:10 pm**

I do agree that more focus on Earth should have been placed. Virtually none was and that is a shame. The only focus was in the alternate, future timeline. Which is now all dead thanks to Janeway. I swear if she inadverdently killed any DS9 characters by doing that....

There was a mention that the Dominion war was raging and not going so well in "Message In a Bottle". Good episode.

I do agree with La Forge that VOY was TNG lite. They had the potential to be a lot more, as I said in the first post. What was the point of the Maquis angle? Other than to abuse a DS9/TNG creation?

Same thing with the Borg and Q.

Lord Borg · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:13 pm**

Yeah....Borg was used because of the Delta Quadrant thing, the Q episodes in VOY were SO boring....

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:23 pm**

I'm fine with the Borg being used as the "final" bad guy in VOY. Because it was the Delta and all.

Another thing that could have been added was that in the Alpha, the Maquis could still be considered terrorists. It would have been cool if Chakotay and the gang were arrested or maybe before they make it to the Alpha, Chakotay could be like "You know, when we started out, we wanted to go back to the Alpha, but not the Federation. We'll all be arrested if you send us back. Are you willing to do that?" and Janeway could be conflicted.

Lord Borg · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:25 pm**

Like that thing would hav been conflicted

Yeah it would have been good story telling

Founder · **Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:38 pm**

Another wasted oppurtunity in my opinion, as La Forge pointed out, was the Dominion War. Too bad that wasn't mentioned more often. It was always throw away lines. I understand they wanted to leave that stuff in the DS9 show, but it would have showed that they were in the same universe....