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Theresa
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| La Forge wrote: | Wha? Was that intended to me?
Oh...I'm sorry...Trek is...over? What do you mean? Oh...I'm pretty stupid. I understand...
I wouldn't consider DS9 OVER...they never...finished it...I s'pose... |
Ah, but DS9 had a finale, TOS never did. It simply ended. (Unless we count STVI).
Trek timelines are so much fun, 
Nemesis shot itself in the foot. Hopefully this movie won't be more of the same.
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TOS had six (this might make seven) movies..., plus, some of the characters had cameos (which concluded those certain characters stories) in other shows (Kirk in Generations, Scotty in "Relics" TNG). DS9 has had no movies, plus, "What You Leave Behind..." didn't really bring the series to an end...it opened so many doors and left many things unexplained and unfinished...
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Lord Borg
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Yeah, but the same was with TNG's "All good things..." no real "ender" but a finale, along with *shudders* VOY's "Endgame" and ENT's awful "These are the voyages..." TOS, the last ep aired was "Turnabout intruder" it was meant as a SEASON finale, not a series. So in compairism, DS9 got a finale
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Theresa
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Again, if you count TOS movies as part of the original TOS, then TRexx is right. The movies could technically be called prequels. I thought we were talking about what aired on the television?
Since the movies didn't start until years later, I don't consider them to be in the same time frame.
And TRexx, you have a great time elsewhere. It's kind of sad that you need everyone to agree with you to be happy, but hey, to each his own, I guess. Oh, IMO? You seem to be the childish one. Especially when confronted with something contrary to what you consider fact. Have fun w/ the "grups"!
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | EARLY days of Kirk and Spock? Including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy. That implies to me that they will depict when they were young. More than likely, it will skip around and jump to their first mission. |
Exactly, you're getting the "implication." How would they go through four years and on space mission within 2 hours? I don't see anything about them attending Starfleet Academy, nor anything about a "lame problem at school." |
How would they do that? Its easy. Its called skipping around or they are simply starting the movie off on their final year at the Academy.
Spider-Man I went from him in high school to graduation, then to working(and college I think).
You don't see anything about them attending the Academy....
"Including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy." Looks like it will be them meeting there. Also the implication of their early days. Even if it is only implications, I can not like what its implying. What? We have to like all the crappy ideas being thrown around. We're discussing the possible premise of the movie.
Yes, I'm well aware that this is not the definitive storyline, but at this point this is all we have.
As for everyone saying that DS9 recieved a finale, that isn't entirely true. It did get a final episode and everyone went their seperate ways, but it isn't over. Bajor is still not part of the Federation. Cardassia and the Dominion need a lot of rebuilding with the help of Odo and Garak. Kassidy's unborn child. Most importantly, Sisko's eventual return.
VOY recieved a true end to the show because the show was about...what? Them getting home. Thats what happened at the end. If VOY had been bold and daring, they would have ended with them NOT getting home. Then I would support a movie for them. To be honest, their main issues are done. Although, I do support a VOY movies over TOS.
TNG did recieve a finale, albeit a bad one, through Nemesis. Everyone went their seperate ways and went to begin new careers. Now you might say, DS9 did the same thing. The difference is, DS9 had some loose ends. I can't think of any TNG had to be honest. Although, again, I would support a TNG movie over TOS.
TOS had its finale. Its done. They had many movies about them. Generations implied they were passing the torch to TNG because their time was over. Even the Undiscovered Country implied that the crew would continue doing what they always did, exploring. Its over for them. The only people who want them back are TOS fans desperatly clinging to something. Its over....
Sexing up a new ST(TOS) movie will not save Star Trek. Putting the latest music and clothing, mixed with young actors will not save Star Trek. TRexx seems to imply that selling out is the way to save ST. No, it isn't. I gurantee it. I agree that Hollywood has changed and wants more gritty, dramatic stuff, but that doesn't mean ST has to turn into a plug in for various contemporary garbage. ST is going to lose it's roots completely. Going back to TOS won't save it either. The casual non-ST fan will not go see a ST movie cause the name Kirk and Spock are mentioned. Most of them will laugh at the new ST movie and move onto see Scary Movie 4 or something. Meanwhile, the REAL ST fans will be furious that this garbage was made. Not only will it PROBABLY violate canon, but they would be replacing Kirk and Spock with two no name actors. It will be a box office failure and ST will fall FURTHER into the grave. What people don't understand is that ST is hanging on the balance at this point.
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Theresa
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I always thought the thing w/ Trek was that even when "finishing", it left the future open. Even Kirk's quote at the end of STVI indicates such. DS9 did the right thing in leaving you wondering about what happened to Sisko. (Or may happen). It'll keep you buying the books, renting/buying the season sets, etc... It keeps it in your mind. That's where they make the money.
TOS, the series did not have a proper finale. The last ep was Kirk switching bodies with some woman. Did they finalize/end Kirks crew in the movies? Yeah, no one is disputing that. And, btw, the popular concensus as to the way they had Kirk die? It sucked.
Anyway, we'll all end up seeing the movie, no matter what it is. I'd prefer if they did something fresh, myself.
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Well, untill the movies, TNG left loose ends (Generations was set to begin filming days later, so its prolly why the series finale kinda stunk? *Shrugs*) Voy also left some loose ends open, GRANTED, they did return, but because of thier early return, a new timeline shall now exsist, plus the final shot was them approching earth, sorry, but seeing reunited familys would have been nice. It depends on how you wanna look at a Finale for DS9, indeed, some questions were opned, but you gotta have open questions, to possibly answer in the future, otherwise...no chance for a movie. But, I'm rambiling here....
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NO Deep Space Nine Movie
NO Voyager Movie
NO The Next Generation Movie
NO Origional Series Movie
The next movie should be NEW and hopefully serve as a pilot to a series following it. That is MY opinion.
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^I was actually thinking that today. If you got a new cast for a movie, you wouldnt have people being pissy because they've already been doing the same role for seveal years (Actors annoy me on that point) which could mean you could get several movies out of them maybe.
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| Quote: | Star Trek XI News and Gossip Begins
As fans reacted with optimism to the announcement of an eleventh Star Trek feature film to be helmed by J.J. Abrams (story), some facts about the movie have become clearer.
StarTrek.com has confirmed that longtime Star Trek executive producer Rick Berman, who was personally brought into the franchise by creator Gene Roddenberry and worked on all of the second-generation shows and movies, is not involved. "This project is separate from the previously rumored script developed by Eric Jendresen and overseen by Rick Berman," stated the official site. "The former Star Trek producer is not involved in this project."
An Associated Press article on Abrams, who will co-write the Star Trek XI script with his Mission Impossible III collaborators Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, quoted Paramount spokeswoman Nancy Kirkpatrick as saying that original series stars William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy have not yet been approached about appearing in the prequel film, which will reportedly focus on Kirk and Spock's first meeting and their first adventures together.
George Takei, who played Sulu in the original series, six films and on Star Trek: Voyager, noted on his web site that he was "very excited" about the news. "I wonder what Sulu would have been up to in those early days at Starfleet Academy?" he said. "We've lived much longer than we ever thought, and will continue to prosper in so many unimagined ways in the future."
Some people, however, refused to take the news seriously. Dateline Hollywood published a satirical article claiming that Abrams had taken out a restraining order against Shatner and that Star Trek actors from Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) to Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher) had been spotted stalking Abrams, the only exception being Patrick Stewart, who has recently declared his frustration at being so closely associated with Captain Picard.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/240406_01.shtml
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| Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:30 pm It Won't Be Kirk And Spock |
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Exclusive: The Truth About Star Trek XI
Fans around the world whooped for joy last week at news that the Star Trek franchise was being resuscitated with M:I:3 director JJ Abrams at the helm. News that it would adopt the long-mooted concept of Kirk and Spock's youthful adventures at Starfleet Academy provoked a more mixed reaction. Those who thought such a move sacrilege can rest easy though because, as Empire discovered in an interview today with Abrams himself, the story is nothing of the sort.
"The whole thing was reported entirely without our cooperation," says the director with a hint of regret. "People learned that I was producing a Star Trek film, that I had an option to direct it, they hear rumours of what the thing was going to be and ran with a story that is not entirely accurate."
But the million dollar question is, what will it be about? Unsurprisingly, Abrams isn't saying ("We've made a pact not to discuss any specifics") but the Lost creator is a confirmed Original Series fan so don't be surprised if his take on the series does indeed take place around the era of Kirk and co, or if some of the established characters do make a reappearance. "Those characters are so spectacular. I just think that� you know, they could live again." |
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That's good news. I think, in time, I could accept a TOS era movie. However...I, personally, don't want to see anymore movies set in the TOS era. I would love to see a. a DS9 movie b. a new franchise movie set in the TNG/DS9/VOY time era.
Well...I don't think that those characters can live, again...but...its not my decision to make. Whatever floats his boat...I guess...I just won't be all up in arms with whatever he makes if it set in the TOS era...it could still be a good movie, though...
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | Quote: | Star Trek XI News and Gossip Begins
As fans reacted with optimism to the announcement of an eleventh Star Trek feature film to be helmed by J.J. Abrams (story), some facts about the movie have become clearer.
StarTrek.com has confirmed that longtime Star Trek executive producer Rick Berman, who was personally brought into the franchise by creator Gene Roddenberry and worked on all of the second-generation shows and movies, is not involved. "This project is separate from the previously rumored script developed by Eric Jendresen and overseen by Rick Berman," stated the official site. "The former Star Trek producer is not involved in this project."
An Associated Press article on Abrams, who will co-write the Star Trek XI script with his Mission Impossible III collaborators Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, quoted Paramount spokeswoman Nancy Kirkpatrick as saying that original series stars William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy have not yet been approached about appearing in the prequel film, which will reportedly focus on Kirk and Spock's first meeting and their first adventures together.
George Takei, who played Sulu in the original series, six films and on Star Trek: Voyager, noted on his web site that he was "very excited" about the news. "I wonder what Sulu would have been up to in those early days at Starfleet Academy?" he said. "We've lived much longer than we ever thought, and will continue to prosper in so many unimagined ways in the future."
Some people, however, refused to take the news seriously. Dateline Hollywood published a satirical article claiming that Abrams had taken out a restraining order against Shatner and that Star Trek actors from Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) to Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher) had been spotted stalking Abrams, the only exception being Patrick Stewart, who has recently declared his frustration at being so closely associated with Captain Picard.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/240406_01.shtml
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LMAO, a Stalking? Them? Please, I hardly doubt that....
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Well, it was a satirical piece, but yeah. I'm going to keep an open mind about this. Perhaps it won't turn out too bad. Under a few conditions, of course (which may be met, considering he's a fan):
1. The actors are good for the role and as close to Shatner and Nimoy as possible.
2. They have them go separate ways in the end. That is, we're never shown how Kirk and Spock join together on the Enterprise. Perhaps they meet at the Academy, serve on a ship together for a short time, and then split up until reunion when TOS occurs.
3. The writing is good, and it's no Enterprise (Yay! No Berman!)
4. More information comes out before I go to college...
5. They really try to work hard to make it not screw up the timeline. But again, I think there are ways to do this without doing that.
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First of all, I think that the idea of a completely new cast is...not so good. Sorry, but we have no emotion invested in those people. Nothing at all. Its not a TERRIBLE idea perse, but I don't understand why people don't think DS9 and VOY don't deserve movies. It isn't really fair.
As for those articles posted, they make no sense from what I can tell. No Kirk or Spock but it will be about them at the Academy? Huh?
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^It means that it's not kirk or spock after all. It was some sort of rumor tht grabed national attention.
And I agree to a point, I'd rather see DS9 or VOY get a movie, but you know how...pissy some can get about being in that role again (Rolls eyes) this is one of the good things about a new cast in a movie, but I'd rather see a movie about Sisko's return, or Voyager dealing with a threat from the Delta quadrant, or an ironic twist of fate and they get stuck in the delta again, SOMETHING like that...
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Oh. I see what you're saying Chris. That the actors from DS9 and VOY won't want to come back or demand way too much money or something that will ruin all of it? I see your point. You say that a new cast should be made because they can't really demand a lot. That is true, BUT I think that they should at least TRY with the DS9 or VOY cast. Just toy with the idea. I think a lot of them would be willing to come back. Unfortunetly, probably only for one movie and that goes for both casts.
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Yeah, many have hinted willing to play the role again, but wanted to wait several years (LIke Stewart, if they waited like, five years, He'd do Picard again). Some have (sorry can't recall names atm) already said they don't want to go back, some have hinted they would, It all depends. But yes, I'd like to see them TRY for DS9, or VOY first. Like you said with new actors, they cannot demand much, and it could also allow for several movies, if they did it right.
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Yeah, I read about this article. I'm glad that J.J. Abrams is involved since he's a good director and that Rick Berman. And the whole rumors about Kirk and Spock meeting at the academy as a plot for the movie, I don't really want that to happen. I mean, who knows? If they did that, it might turn out to be a good movie. But again, I agree with Founder a lot, I'm really really tired of the whole prequals and going back. But god, I really want either a DS9 or a Voyager movie.
I just want anything that is in the TNG/DS9/Voy era. There were so many unanswered things left at the end of the DS9 show and even Voyager. If people dissagree with me about Voyager not having lose ends, then it's because the show just ended with them returning home, going towards Earth. What about what would happen with the Maquis? Even Janeway? All of them? Seven years is a long time to spend together and just suddenly be thrown back home again. Especially a totally different time after the war where Starfleet is not as they once remembered it to be. I mean, I love Janeway and all, but she did some things that would definitely be questioned by Starfleet. I mean, I wanna know those things.
And as for DS9, I mean, I wanna know more about Sisko and what happened with the Prophets. About his possible return.
But I liked what someone said earliar about a new movie that would serve as a pilot for a new series. Even that would be cool. But jeez, yeah, no movies based around Enterprise or TOS. Though I'd prefer a TOS over an Enterprise movie.
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| Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:04 pm |
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Ya, so I'm too lazy to read the article...but just PLEASE tell me there is no real truth to what is being said?!
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| Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:11 pm |
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Two things are most definitely true at this point:
1. There IS a new Star Trek movie scheduled for release in 2008.
2. J.J. Abrahms IS going to take over the production.
As far as the plot goes, it appears that nothing is yet confirmed.
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| Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:05 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | First of all, I think that the idea of a completely new cast is...not so good. Sorry, but we have no emotion invested in those people. Nothing at all. Its not a TERRIBLE idea perse, but I don't understand why people don't think DS9 and VOY don't deserve movies. It isn't really fair.
As for those articles posted, they make no sense from what I can tell. No Kirk or Spock but it will be about them at the Academy? Huh? |
What you dont understand is that a DS9 or VOY movie wouldnt be popular enough. Yes i would like to see a DS9 movie. But when it comes to the big screen you cant afford to be selfish. Imagine if you had only seen a little star trek, or hadnt seen it at all or at least not seen DS9. Then they would go and see a film about sisko returning, and coming back to his wife and now 2 children and about the Dominion & bajor and whats happened after the war etc etc. People would walk out of the cinema and say WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?! Then word would spread amongst the non hard core trek fans that its aload of non-sense, so less people would see it, it would get bad reviews and hardly anyone will buy it when it comes out on DVD. When its the big screen you can not be selfish. A film made for the trek fans is just rediculus and there is no money in it. There is simply not enough hard core fans to do that.
That is why i dont think it should be a DS9 movie.
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| Thu May 04, 2006 9:35 pm |
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I think this could be really could for Trek and could be just what the franchise needs to get back off the ground again. After all, this is the guy who brought us Alias and Lost...and look at Lost now  !
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| Thu May 04, 2006 9:41 pm |
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Sonic does make a point. A DS9 movie could help or hurt the series. I would still love for one and I am still pulling for one, but, DS9 WAS rather complex, was it not? In a good situation, fans would see it and want to see the whole series, to see what it is about. Seeing the whole series would get them into the show and franchise. Bad situation, they leave and think it is crap and go make fun of the movie, without bothering to learn. Stupid people...They should learn about the shows before they diss 'em! Well...I doubt Abrams will make a DS9 movie in the first place...he is a hard-core TOS fan...ugh...
Also, on a side-note, I don't like Abrams or anything he has done. Just had to throw that out there. Lost was good for awhile but it has turned into crap. And Alias? Don't even get me started on that crap.
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| Tue May 09, 2006 6:09 pm |
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dam i must have the wrong glasses on tonight didnt see this here doh 
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