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CJ Cregg
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i always found it strange how people who are "pro-life" seem to also support the death penalty. Surely a true pro-lifer would support the protection of ANY life, no matter what the circumstances.
I'm against abortion and the death penalty personally. Its easy to say your pro death penalty but if you were there and had to actually carry out the execution i think you would think again.
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Seven of Nine
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:52 am |
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Although the minimum time she will spend in hospital is 30 days, in reality she will spend many years in there, often more than she would have in prison. She is seriously ill and needs help, not punishment. The courts agree.
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PrankishSmart
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:58 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Because prison don't teach killers a lesson. In prison, they have privilages like tv and other stuff. |
Then perhaps you should be debating the prison system instead of giving the death penalty as a alternative  . I don't understand how the death penalty gives anyone a lesson. Death hardly seems like justice to me, more like it seems to protecting the fragile mentality of the citizens through the media, perhaps peace of mind than anything. It's a long way from justice.
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webtaz99
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:15 am |
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If we are going to debate prison or the death penalty, start a new thread.
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Leo Wyatt
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I totally agree with you webtaz, just some people just want to start an debate with my opinion. Should I have said that one part of my opinion, not in this thread so that's mistake. but yeah let us all keep that one subject out lol 
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magenta
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:32 am |
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 Hey Im an aussie too!I believe she is a poor excuse for life and after comitting such a horrendous act she does not deserve to live!
Why as a tax payers and law abiding people put this person up in a nice place with three meals a day.A pshyciatrist to chat to about her 'problems',TV,and medication to 'NUMB' her senses.Therefore blocking any memories/feelings of recalling the discusting thing she did.
Hell if killing or hurting someone gives me a lifestyle like that!
Just for the record,I am not against abortions,I had one myself 18yrs ago.I have nothing against gays a person can be any colour of the rainbow,I dont care!
But to hurt or kill be cruel to kids or animals,you deserve the FULL force of the law! 
PS:I am also for euthenasia,the right to die is up to the individual if they are in pain and suffering!
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teya
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:39 am |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | Although the minimum time she will spend in hospital is 30 days, in reality she will spend many years in there, often more than she would have in prison. She is seriously ill and needs help, not punishment. The courts agree. |
Exactly. And if her psychosis is caused by an inoperable brain tumor, then she will be in the institution for life.
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Seven of Nine
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:44 pm |
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I know from experience that even semi-secure hospitals aren't a walk in the park, and people I know say fully secure hospitals are worse. Medication can make you feel awful, so it definitely won't be an easy time for her. I've spoken to someone who said they'd rather had been in prison.
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Puck
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| magenta wrote: | Hey Im an aussie too!I believe she is a poor excuse for life and after comitting such a horrendous act she does not deserve to live!
Why as a tax payers and law abiding people put this person up in a nice place with three meals a day.A pshyciatrist to chat to about her 'problems',TV,and medication to 'NUMB' her senses.Therefore blocking any memories/feelings of recalling the discusting thing she did.
Hell if killing or hurting someone gives me a lifestyle like that!
Just for the record,I am not against abortions,I had one myself 18yrs ago.I have nothing against gays a person can be any colour of the rainbow,I dont care!
But to hurt or kill be cruel to kids or animals,you deserve the FULL force of the law!
PS:I am also for euthenasia,the right to die is up to the individual if they are in pain and suffering! |
Just so you know, capital punishment almost always ends up costing the taxpayer more money than life in prison does. Therefore, if you are concerned about how much the taxpayers are paying, you should go for life without parole.
I am going to trust the opinions of the three professionals who examined this over my own personal opinion, and say that she was indeed insane. She was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis and depression. Psychosis causes delusions and hallucinations and since clearly she wasn't being properly treated for this, I do not understand how anyone can say she did this in a normal state of mind, and deserves death. To add to this, she also had a tumor which could have further aggravated the state she was in. While I am not in any way condoning her actions, or excusing them, I also just think it is important to realize it is not her fault that she suffered from postpartum psychosis and depression, and if that is what three professionals believe led to her killing the baby, then she should not be punished for having an extreme mental disorder.
Also, since everyone seems to be sharing there views, I will to and reassert that I am pro-life no matter if it is a baby, criminal, or suffering person whose life is in question.
PS: Any further discussion needs to pertain to this topic. Abortion does not pertain, euthanasia does not pertain, and gay rights certainly do not pertain. I'm sure yall can figure it out for yourselves though.
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PrankishSmart
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:36 am |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | I totally agree with you webtaz, just some people just want to start an debate with my opinion. Should I have said that one part of my opinion, not in this thread so that's mistake. but yeah let us all keep that one subject out lol |
Agreed if were debating the death penalty it should be in relation to the insane woman. I don't know where gay rights comes into any of this lol.
| magenta wrote: | I believe she is a poor excuse for life and after comitting such a horrendous act she does not deserve to live!
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Who is suposed to be the one deciding if this woman lives or dies?
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PrankishSmart
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| Puck wrote: | | magenta wrote: | Hey Im an aussie too!I believe she is a poor excuse for life and after comitting such a horrendous act she does not deserve to live!
Why as a tax payers and law abiding people put this person up in a nice place with three meals a day.A pshyciatrist to chat to about her 'problems',TV,and medication to 'NUMB' her senses.Therefore blocking any memories/feelings of recalling the discusting thing she did.
Hell if killing or hurting someone gives me a lifestyle like that!
Just for the record,I am not against abortions,I had one myself 18yrs ago.I have nothing against gays a person can be any colour of the rainbow,I dont care!
But to hurt or kill be cruel to kids or animals,you deserve the FULL force of the law!
PS:I am also for euthenasia,the right to die is up to the individual if they are in pain and suffering! |
Just so you know, capital punishment almost always ends up costing the taxpayer more money than life in prison does. Therefore, if you are concerned about how much the taxpayers are paying, you should go for life without parole.
I am going to trust the opinions of the three professionals who examined this over my own personal opinion, and say that she was indeed insane. She was diagnosed with postpartum psychosis and depression. Psychosis causes delusions and hallucinations and since clearly she wasn't being properly treated for this, I do not understand how anyone can say she did this in a normal state of mind, and deserves death. To add to this, she also had a tumor which could have further aggravated the state she was in. While I am not in any way condoning her actions, or excusing them, I also just think it is important to realize it is not her fault that she suffered from postpartum psychosis and depression, and if that is what three professionals believe led to her killing the baby, then she should not be punished for having an extreme mental disorder.
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Agreed on the first two paragraphs. I think it's intresting that the death penalty costs more than life inprisonment. Many people are surprised with that.
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webtaz99
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:02 am |
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The ONLY reason that a death penalty costs more than life in prison is that our "justice system" is broken. 
Rope is cheap, environmentally friendly, and reusable.
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magenta
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Yeah!The justice system lets them appeal again and again.They should be put to death within 3mths and only be allowed to appeal once.A person such as that woman is 'not responseable' for her actions?
Then let us be responsible by acting on the best interests of the 'WORLD' and wipe her from the earth!
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PrankishSmart
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| Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:52 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | The ONLY reason that a death penalty costs more than life in prison is that our "justice system" is broken.
Rope is cheap, environmentally friendly, and reusable. |
If their was less complication within the justice system then rope would most likely cost more to compensate.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:20 am |
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| magenta wrote: | | A person such as that woman is 'not responseable' for her actions? |
Not according to licensed proffesionals, no, 
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CJ Cregg
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| Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:57 am |
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If people are going to insist on the death penalty, there should at least be a long period of time between sentencing and death.
What about if after the 3 months your propose and the person has been killed some new evidence is found which proves there innocent. Then a innocent person has been killed.
That's a reason why I'm against it. Its possible to kill an innocent person
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magenta
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| Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:37 pm |
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If a person sane or not commits a crime such as that,should be executed!Why try to rehabilitate her,the baby wasnt even given a chance to live past its first birthday!
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IntrepidIsMe
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How is killing somebody who can't help their actions any better or more civilized than what this woman did to her child?
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Seven of Nine
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That's like saying if a young child kills a baby they should be executed. It's wrong- she needs treatment.
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Lord Borg
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I understand what your saying, I guess I can see it, so long as she serves more then 30 days, the outrage was that the offical sentence is 30 days, but meh, I 'pose if she serves more, and does get help (If she truly is nuts...) I still have to wonder though due to the baby dying and such
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magenta
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| Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:32 pm |
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A child isnt old enough to know what they are doin.An adult has lived through childhood and had a chance to prove if they are a viable member of society.She has proven to be a mentally unstable baby torturer and murderer.She does not deserve to live!
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PrankishSmart
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| magenta wrote: | | A child isnt old enough to know what they are doin.An adult has lived through childhood and had a chance to prove if they are a viable member of society.She has proven to be a mentally unstable baby torturer and murderer.She does not deserve to live! |
Prove to who?
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IntrepidIsMe
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| magenta wrote: | | A child isnt old enough to know what they are doin.An adult has lived through childhood and had a chance to prove if they are a viable member of society.She has proven to be a mentally unstable baby torturer and murderer.She does not deserve to live! |
And a mentally unstable person isn't stable enough to know what they are doing.
That makes it sound as if we should kill all mentally unstable people who have committed terrible crimes.
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magenta
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| Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:09 am |
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EXACTLY YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD MY POINT SO THATS ALL I WILL SAY ON THE MATTER!
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PrankishSmart
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| Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:50 am |
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| magenta wrote: | | EXACTLY YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD MY POINT SO THATS ALL I WILL SAY ON THE MATTER! |
Everyone understands your point but obviously you don't understand other people's points and your morals are out of tune.
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