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scotti789
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 Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:47 am what happened to kes |
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this is my first question, what happened to kes, one epesode she is there and the next she is gone i must have missed something, if anyone can shed any light. cheers andy
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Founder
Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: Gamma Quadrant
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| Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:45 pm |
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I think this belongs in the Voyager section.
Bottom line? She "Evolved" into a higher state and left Voygaer to explore her newfound...abilities.
She returns later on in the episode "Fury".
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IntrepidIsMe
Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002
Posts: 13057
Location: New York
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| Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:49 pm |
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Moved to VOY.
IIM
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lex
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 23 Dec 2004
Posts: 226
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| Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:54 pm |
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She expired from excessive self-righteousness. 
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TrekkieMage
Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding
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| Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:59 pm |
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^ lol!
Yeah, her powers grew beyond where Tuvok and the others could help, and she was becoming a threat to the crew. So she left. In a big cloud of glowiness if I remember correctly.
^.^
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EnsignSkelly
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 07 Oct 2005
Posts: 113
Location: I'd bet you'd love to find that out...
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| Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:00 am |
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I Why did she have to evolve.  They could of kept her on and not brought 7 on.
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TrekkieMage
Office Junkie
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| Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:22 am |
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I think Seven was a much better character. Kes was a Mary Sue and had no depth. And despite the fact that Seven was brought on for *cough* other reasons, she had a very complex and interesting character. Something Kes lacked. A lot.
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Lt Cmdr Murray
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Posts: 87
Location: Ontario, Canada
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| Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:06 pm Kes leaving |
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She left because her powers had grown to a state that she was having problems controlling or understanding them. She left to save the ship and crew.
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lionhead
Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004
Posts: 4020
Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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| Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:09 pm |
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Actually. I think she just ran out of Airmiles. 
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Voyager2004
Commodore
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Location: Silverdale, WA
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| Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:28 am |
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^^^ haha!!! ya, janeway kicked her off the ship b/c she lost her passport and travel papers...LOL...
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Robby
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| Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:01 am |
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She's a higher lifeform, boring other higher lifeforms no doubt.
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Emili
Lieutenant
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 164
Location: England
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| Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:09 pm |
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ooohh? 
I never saw that episode!! she was one of my favs
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~Voyager Fan~
Captain's Assistant
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 83
Location: On board voyager assisting the captain
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| Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:50 pm |
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ooooo.... there was one ep when she came back.... but i think tat she died already
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Voyager2004
Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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Location: Silverdale, WA
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:41 pm |
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Season 6, episode "Fury" was the episode she came back. *thinks to self* Ocampa live 9 years, and in the Star trek time line...Yep, in the Star Trek time line she's dead. Unless, she found out how to live 13 years like the Female Caretaker's Ocampa. But, I doubt it.
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Lynx
Lieutenant Commander
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| Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:11 pm |
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The character Kes was kicked out of the show for no acceptable reason at all.
Later on the charcter was humiliated and destroyed in an episode called "Fury" because those in charge didn't like that fans of Kes started a letter campaign to have her re-instated as a regular character. So they decided to give the Kes fans a "lesson".
But we won't accept that!
We have our own solutions.
As for the energy-being mumbo-jumbo in "The Gift", the Ocampa life-span that some people see as an excuse to get rid of Kes and the damage made to the character in "Fury", it could easily be written around and changed with some will, skill and imagination.
The Kes in "Fury" was not the real Kes but a being from a mirror universe or Suspiria in disguise because the real Kes would rather sacrifice herself than harm her friends on the ship.
The real Kes is still alive and well and her adventures continues here:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Kesstories.html
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Voyager2004
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| Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:06 pm |
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| Lynx wrote: | The character Kes was kicked out of the show for no acceptable reason at all.
Later on the charcter was humiliated and destroyed in an episode called "Fury" because those in charge didn't like that fans of Kes started a letter campaign to have her re-instated as a regular character. So they decided to give the Kes fans a "lesson".
But we won't accept that!
We have our own solutions.
As for the energy-being mumbo-jumbo in "The Gift", the Ocampa life-span that some people see as an excuse to get rid of Kes and the damage made to the character in "Fury", it could easily be written around and changed with some will, skill and imagination.
The Kes in "Fury" was not the real Kes but a being from a mirror universe or Suspiria in disguise because the real Kes would rather sacrifice herself than harm her friends on the ship.
The real Kes is still alive and well and her adventures continues here:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Kesstories.html |
Umm...no...lol...it wasn't a mirror universe Kes...it because if it were, by the time that Tuvok, and Janeway got done explaining to Kes why she left, she wouldn't have been all nice again...  And if it was Suspiria in disguise, then again, she wouldn't have been her usual self.
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Lynx
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 277
Location: The Lynx Empire
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:45 pm |
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| Voyager2004 wrote: | | Lynx wrote: | The character Kes was kicked out of the show for no acceptable reason at all.
Later on the charcter was humiliated and destroyed in an episode called "Fury" because those in charge didn't like that fans of Kes started a letter campaign to have her re-instated as a regular character. So they decided to give the Kes fans a "lesson".
But we won't accept that!
We have our own solutions.
As for the energy-being mumbo-jumbo in "The Gift", the Ocampa life-span that some people see as an excuse to get rid of Kes and the damage made to the character in "Fury", it could easily be written around and changed with some will, skill and imagination.
The Kes in "Fury" was not the real Kes but a being from a mirror universe or Suspiria in disguise because the real Kes would rather sacrifice herself than harm her friends on the ship.
The real Kes is still alive and well and her adventures continues here:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Kesstories.html |
Umm...no...lol...it wasn't a mirror universe Kes...it because if it were, by the time that Tuvok, and Janeway got done explaining to Kes why she left, she wouldn't have been all nice again... And if it was Suspiria in disguise, then again, she wouldn't have been her usual self. |
Maybe the mirror Kes pretended to be nice again, or Suspiria pretended to be the pathetic loser we saw at the end of the episode.
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Lord Borg
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Joined: 27 May 2003
Posts: 11214
Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:10 pm |
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It was not a Mirror Universe version of Kes. This has been explained several times why she left, and what fury was all about. IN all truth, the actress wanted out. So... yeah...
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JupiterPrime
Lieutenant
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:29 pm Re: what happened to kes |
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| scotti789 wrote: | | what happened to kes? |
She gained about 30 pounds
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Lynx
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 277
Location: The Lynx Empire
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:56 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | It was not a Mirror Universe version of Kes. This has been explained several times why she left, and what fury was all about. IN all truth, the actress wanted out. So... yeah... |
Seems like many of you are misinformed.
Jennifer Lien didn't "want out". She was fired because TIIC wanted to add a "sexy babe" and since TIIC were to grredy and stupid to have 10 main characters, one of the main characters had to go. The first choice was obviously Garret Wang (Kim) but when a stupid inside poll in a stupid magazine showed him among the "50 most handsome", then TIIC changed their minds and fired Jennifer Lien instead.
According to reports, Jennifer was sad and upset over the brutal firing and her colleagues were angry and upset too.
The way Jennifer Lien and the character Kes was treated is nothing but a shame and disgust for Star Trek and Paramount.
| JupiterPrime wrote: | | She gained about 30 pounds |
Jennifer Lien wasn't fired for her weight either. She did gain some weight but that was some years later and were either the result of her being depressed after being fired from Voyager or had something to do with her being pregnant at the time. Today she looks as she did during her years on Voyager.
As for "Fury", since that episode was a deliberate insult from TIIC to the Kes fans who dared to defy TIIC by staging a letter campaign to have Kes re-instated as a main character, we simply don't recognize or accept that episode. The events in "Fury" can simply be written around and there's no evidence anywhere that our theories and suggestions about a "mirror Kes" or Suspiria are wrong. On the contrary, such theories could be perfect for upcoming books and stories about what really happened to Kes.
The Kes fans don't need TIIC:s "canon". We create our own!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Kesstories.html
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TrekkieMage
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:11 pm |
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Actually, from what I've read she was kind of unhappy on the set. One guess (made by Robert Beltran, I think) was because the writers were having a hard time writing for her.
She was a Mary Sue, and you can only really go so far with that. Her character had no depth (although she could have had a lot if they'd played their cards right at the begining). They really didn't have much else they could do with her.
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Lynx
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 277
Location: The Lynx Empire
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:18 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | Actually, from what I've read she was kind of unhappy on the set. One guess (made by Robert Beltran, I think) was because the writers were having a hard time writing for her.
She was a Mary Sue, and you can only really go so far with that. Her character had no depth (although she could have had a lot if they'd played their cards right at the begining). They really didn't have much else they could do with her. |
The tale that Jennifer Lien was unhappy on the set is not true. According to Kate Mulgrew and other sources, Jennifer Lien liked to be in the series and had a good relationship to all the other cast members.
A Mary Sue? No! And Kes did have more depth than many Star Trek characters. As for the writers, they didn't have any problems with coming up with good Kes stories until they were ordered to not being able to come up with stories. If the writers inability to come up with stories about her had been the problem, then they should have been fired for not doing their job and replaced by writers like Greg Cox and Christie Golden who really can write and have no problems to come up with stories about all main characters on Voayger.
Check out the excellent books "The Black Shore" and "Marooned".
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the1st
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 03 Apr 2006
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| Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:26 pm |
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and u hav 2 c fury cor blimey kes
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harrykims#1fan
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| Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:09 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: |
She was a Mary Sue, and you can only really go so far with that. Her character had no depth (although she could have had a lot if they'd played their cards right at the begining). They really didn't have much else they could do with her. |
*claps*at last someone said something about kes that was right, she was a sue who in the end died to save the ship (enhancing her "speshulness")..Sue trait: Dieing to save people/Havin Special Powers
in some episodes she was a half decent character in others she was just a poor character who had little development
-That is all
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JupiterPrime
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| Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:37 am |
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I have to say that the episode where some ruthless planetary dictator takes over her body was pretty interesting to watch - she looked good in a tight body suit prancing around and barking orders and she performed the dual psychotic dilema very well, but I was having a little trouble with the cross sexuality trait of the male inside the female body coming on to other men and of course the female body coming on to the woman who would have been that guys concubine
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