Should healthcare be free? |
yes, all of it, all the time, to everyone |
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yes, but you should pay for certain operations |
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No, it raises taxes. Why should I pay for someone elses broken arm? |
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No, it leads to inferior care in hospitals |
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:43 pm Should healthcare be free? |
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Do you think healthcare should be free?
IMO, a lot of it should be- I wouldn't want to pay to have someone help me give birth or look after me after a car crash, for example. However, some operations e.g. unnecessary abortions, gastric bypasses etc, you should have to pay for, as they are not essential.
It would be cool if healthcare was free, but you could donate to the hospital or perhaps tip the staff afterwards. Say you broke your arm playing rugby- the hospital fixes it with no obligation to pay, but you decide to give them �100 for treating you.
If healthcare wasn't free in my country I would be scared that I might get stabbed and then die in the street because I didn't have insurance.
Someone told me that Americans sue for compensation a lot of the time because they actually need the money for their medical bills, which are very high.... is that true?
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:59 pm |
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I don't have to pay for health insurance cause Charlie is in the army. But if we go to a civilian doctor and not the military doctor then we will have to pay something. But it depends though if it was a referral. If it was a referral Tricare will take care of it all. But, when charlie gets out of the army in about 4 to 6 months, depending if he gets a medical retirement, then we will have to pay. If he gets the medical retirement , we won't have to pay. I hope I am making since. I am probably confusing you huh?
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:00 pm |
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No, for both of the last two reasons.
Medical breakthroughs don't come from Governments, they come from Pfizer's, Glaxo's, and such. Independant business keeps medicine moving forward, and I sure as heck don't want governments smudging it up.
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:25 pm |
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But if someone was dying in the street and you were a doctor and could save them but they didn't have insurance, would you leave them to die?
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:26 pm |
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Doctors would have to save them anyway, they took an oath. I forgot the name of the oath. I could be wrong.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:28 pm |
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That oath is more of a set of guidelines. They don't actually have to follow it.
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:28 pm |
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That's the hypocrates (sp) oath, but is says they have to do no harm, not that they have to help people.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:30 pm |
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"Hippocratic"
And no, I don't think it should be free.
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Leo Wyatt Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 19045 Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:32 pm |
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IntrepidIsMe wrote Quote: | That oath is more of a set of guidelines. They don't actually have to follow it. |
Oh ok I understand now. Thanks.
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madlilnerd Duchess of Dancemat
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 5885 Location: Slough, England
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:36 pm |
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LightningBoy wrote: |
Medical breakthroughs don't come from Governments, they come from Pfizer's, Glaxo's, and such. Independant business keeps medicine moving forward, and I sure as heck don't want governments smudging it up. |
I'm talking more about general healthcare than medical research. Medical research should be left in the care of heartless corparations.
When I get paranoid, I'm scared that if I give a sample in a hospital then the government will get me on a file and be able to frame me for things... it's a really stupid paranoia, but I get it a lot. I fear the governments of this world all the time.
Mum said that most of the tax for our healthcare comes from cigarettes, which I guess is okay, cos smokers are always waltzing into the hospital where she works complaining about the fact their death sticks are killing them.
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:21 pm |
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madlilnerd wrote: | But if someone was dying in the street and you were a doctor and could save them but they didn't have insurance, would you leave them to die? |
Who put them in the street? As a society, we should be making sure people don't end up there, rather than worrying about helping them when they are.
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WeAz Commodore
Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 1519 Location: Where you aren't
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:26 pm |
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madlilnerd wrote: | But if someone was dying in the street and you were a doctor and could save them but they didn't have insurance, would you leave them to die? | I'm pretty sure the doctors consience would take over, and they would treat the patient, then charge him/her later.
-WeAz
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:08 pm |
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No, for both reasons stated in the poll. Because of that, I can't vote either way.
I say no because medical coverage simply isn't something the government should supply. It's not even that good of a system either.
Now, I'm not saying that America's system is perfect. It has a lot of problems. But there are many other ways to fix it than, say, making it government-run.
Besides, another level of beauracy isn't a good thing at all, and giving the government something else to screw up isn't as well. It's too much government control, etc. I say nay to making it government-run.
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ACDC Girl Krazy Kitty
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 7748 Location: Who Cares. :P
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:09 pm |
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Health care is free here in Canada, because the government pays for it.
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WeAz Commodore
Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 1519 Location: Where you aren't
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:46 pm |
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^ Iheard there are long waits in Government run healthcare...
-WeAz
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:34 pm |
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I voted for:
Quote: | yes, but you should pay for certain operations |
I think that the basic stuff should be covered (physicals, life saving opperations, ect.), but that private coverage should be an option.
If one chooses private insurance, the government should pay for less.
Yes it would cost more, but taxes are the cost of civilization, and I believe that the health and well being of the American public is more important than a few extra bucks and another layer of government.
Think about it:
A surgery costs thousands of dollars. You only have to pay a small amount in taxes. And if you feel that the quality of service is too low, get a private insurance company. The people who can't afford health services will benefit from there being one less person in the system.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:45 pm |
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Why should I have to pay for anyone's operation? It may sound selfish, but seriously. I shouldn't have to pay for somebody to get medical coverage. Well, on most levels, anyways. Certain programs that we currently have in place are, for the most part, acceptable.
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:48 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | Why should I have to pay for anyone's operation? It may sound selfish, but seriously. I shouldn't have to pay for somebody to get medical coverage. Well, on most levels, anyways. Certain programs that we currently have in place are, for the most part, acceptable. |
If that's the case: why should you pay taxes at all? All that they do is pay for public causes. You're paying for other people's education. Shouldn't they pay for their own schooling? Buy their own books? I repeat: taxes are the cost of civilization.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:10 pm |
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There are certain things that taxes should be in place for, certain public services. Medical coverage beyond Medicare and Medicaid should not exist provided by the government.
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Lxe keep dreaming
Joined: 11 Aug 2002 Posts: 3622 Location: stv
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:27 am |
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I have free health care through indian affairs. one thing the doctors have to deal with people abusing walk in time to get perscriptions trying to get some kind of drug for their addictions. because of that we have generic meds. if you ask me they are not strong enough some of the time for like out patient surgery.
after all that clinics have to do stuff a certain way and keep tight rein on things. the clinic here where I am at stopped taking walk ins
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:23 am |
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No, because it would cost me personally, financially otherwise. Why should I have to pay for other people?
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:25 am |
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madlilnerd wrote: | But if someone was dying in the street and you were a doctor and could save them but they didn't have insurance, would you leave them to die? |
Bit of an extreme example there. Even so, I still don't see why it would automatically be my responsibility financially just because they are buming on the doll or something. Besides, lots of people everyday die like that in 3rd world countries and I don't have to pay for them out of my taxes.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:44 am |
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Living in a country where healthcare is free, I would have problems if I had to pay- not least because it's saved my life on more than one occasion. I really meant to tick the box yes, but pay for certain operations, but ticked the top one instead. Oh well.
The NHS is one of the things that makes Britain great, and I wouldn't like to give it up (no matter what our Tory-called-Labour party try to do). Not having to pay for healthcare at the point of delivery means I don't have to worry about getting ill. I also don't mind looking after people in need- I guess that's my socialist nature
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:39 am |
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i would say yes, makes for more taxes(also usable for other things), takes care of Insurances.
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Birdy Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 13502 Location: Here.
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:19 am |
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Of course! But is it manageable?
That's what I worry about. How would the government (or whoever) pay for it? Cuz a lot of money goes around in health care. Not only at the insurance company's.
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