| Are You Liberal, Independent, Or Conservative? |
| Liberal All The Way! |
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| Independent! Wooooooooo! |
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| Conservative, Of Course! |
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| Not Sure // Don't Know... |
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| Prefer Not To Say... |
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Founder
Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | I still don't understand how that's a good thing for the conservative to do..."we're intolorant and proud of it!" (or at least that's how it's coming across to me...) |
You're not getting it. Its like how Liberals moan and complain about how Fox News is a Conservative channel while calling itself "fair and balanced". They say "We admit that our shows may not be fair and balanced, but at least we don't run around saying it."
Liberals constantly say they are the party of tolerance, although I've found that tolerance is only for people that ARE Democrats. If not? Not so much tolerance. 
His point is that while some Conservatives may mistake, some Liberals do too. The tolerance thing was pretty much an example because its something Liberals claim to be....
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 19045
Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:37 pm |
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Liberals think they are always right and everyone else is wrong . That is not the atitude to have. I, myself is not a liberal; I often catch myself doing what liberals do and I regret it.
Liberals are the ones who spin things just look at CNN. That is one dishonest news. no offense. I rather believe what Fox says than CNN. Or better yet any media.
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CJ Cregg
Commodore
Joined: 05 Oct 2002
Posts: 1254
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:42 pm |
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| Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Liberals think they are always right and everyone else is wrong . That is not the attitude to have. I, myself is not a liberal; I often catch myself doing what liberals do and I regret it. |
Everything you just said, also applied to Conservatives. Both sides spin things.
i don't claim liberals never spin things. They always do. As do conservatives.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 4425
Location: Dallas, TX
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:41 pm |
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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46
I'm a little scared, but I'm okay with it. Go Libertarianism.
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TrekkieMage
Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
Posts: 5335
Location: Hiding
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:32 pm |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | Leo Wyatt wrote: | | Liberals think they are always right and everyone else is wrong . That is not the attitude to have. I, myself is not a liberal; I often catch myself doing what liberals do and I regret it. |
Everything you just said, also applied to Conservatives. Both sides spin things.
i don't claim liberals never spin things. They always do. As do conservatives. |
That's what I've been trying to say, and floundering at it
I'm not saying liberals (and by liberals I mean Democrats and the fringe of the left) are "correct" or that they aren't hypocritical.
But they're trying to become more centered. That's something that the Republicans (from my point of view) can't really claim right now. Mostly because they control both Congress and the the White House, they don't need to pull it together quite so much. But that could change come November (Republicans lost ground last November, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost a little this year).
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
Location: Classified
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:10 pm |
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I disagree. I have yet to see the Democrats trying to be more centered. If anything, it's the other way around.
Zell Miller = Democrat. Spoke at RNC convention
Rudy Guiliani = Liberal to moderate Republican. Spoke at RNC convention.
John McCain, etc. etc. From what I've seen, the Dems overall, as in the party, not the people (so no generalization) aren't reaching out. You have certain Democrats (Lieberman) reaching out, but they're being shut away from the Democratic party.
If you wanna talk a party being run by the extreme, talk the Democratic party. It's run by the likes of Howard Dean (quite literally) and Ted Kennedy and John Kerry and all the other far-left liberals. The Dems (party) aren't reaching out, overall.
Again, we're talking party here, not people. Therefore I want to make it clear that I'm not generalizing on the Democrats as people, but rather the party (which is really what's being discussed there).
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Seven of Nine
Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001
Posts: 7871
Location: North East England
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:17 am |
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I thought this topic was are you Liberal or Conservative, not Democrat or Republican?
I am (I hope) a liberal in the dictionary definition of the word- outreaching, broadminded, tolerant of most things, and wanting to do the best for all of human kind. I'm willing to accept new ideas, and will take new ideas on board that may change my views on things.
It's why I don't have a clear opinion on the war in Iraq (the issue is too confused at the moment and I can see both sides of the story), why I feel war should be a last resort, not a first course of action, and why I support wiping Third World Debt, and standing up to multinational corporations who exploit the poor.
I want a better world for my daughter, and want her to make her own decisions- which is why I'm not getting her baptised even though I take her to Church, why I feel that the environment needs protecting now, and why I support free education (as it does give you an advantage in the world- though it's not everything). I also don't want to see civil liberties eroded, as if it goes too far we'll lose the right to change them.
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Cathexis
The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001
Posts: 5901
Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:20 am |
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| Seven of Nine wrote: | | I thought this topic was are you Liberal or Conservative, not Democrat or Republican? |
Right you are, my dear! Absolutely right!
The question, for anyone who might have forgotten, is Are You A Liberal or a Conservative.
Hope that helps  .
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Birdy
Socialist
Joined: 20 Sep 2004
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:23 am |
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | That is a clearly a conservative bias test. Just look at the ads down the side.
Take a REAL test,
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
One that isnt biast |
Exactly.
Well, I don't live in America, and what's liberal to you, is almost right-wing here, sort of. So you can imagine how different our country's are.
Anyway, I think of myself as a socialist. I think it's important that the government takes care of people who can't take care of themselves, that there are social services etc. I'm also a member of the Socialistic Party in the Netherlands. 
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webtaz99
Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 1229
Location: The Other Side
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:16 pm |
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"Liberal" and "conservative" are poorly-defined, narrow-minded labels and create a vastly over-simplified scale for measuring a person's political views.
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Republican_Man
STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 14823
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:34 pm |
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| Birdy wrote: | | CJ Cregg wrote: | That is a clearly a conservative bias test. Just look at the ads down the side.
Take a REAL test,
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
One that isnt biast |
Exactly.
Well, I don't live in America, and what's liberal to you, is almost right-wing here, sort of. So you can imagine how different our country's are.
Anyway, I think of myself as a socialist. I think it's important that the government takes care of people who can't take care of themselves, that there are social services etc. I'm also a member of the Socialistic Party in the Netherlands. |
He's actually from the UK 
But anyways, I disagree with that philosophy, and that's why I'm a conservative. There are certain things that the government should do--social security and welfare for those who need it and a little medicaid, but it shouldn't be excessive. Government needs to be small and do little, not big and do much.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
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Location: United States of America
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| Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:42 pm |
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Since you've all decided to ignore the poll, and this has turned into a real discussion, I'll move it back to WN. (J, Grace, and IIM don't like serious stuff here,  )
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