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| Liberal All The Way! |
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| Independent! Wooooooooo! |
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| Conservative, Of Course! |
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Kasey
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I lean towards the Independent or republicans. I know I am not a liberal.
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Paul Marshall
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:13 pm Re: Are You A Liberal, Independent, or Conservative? |
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| Cathexis wrote: | Hey everybody!
I'm just curious as to where everyone stands, politically speaking.
Are you a liberal, independent, or conservative? What do you think each one means and what makes you think you belong to any of these political parties? |
I consider myself to be very left ... very liberal ...
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:59 pm |
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| teya wrote: | ^ Ya know, there are liberal Republicans. A shocker, I know.
My dad was one. Back in the 60s they were pretty common. Look up Jacob Javits in the history book.
Of course, in this day and age, they'd never get elected to national office. Pity, because I might even consider voting Republican if you guys would nominate Pataki. But ya won't. Because he's a New York Republican--even though a move to the center would be a positive step for the Republicans. |
So, what about a consevative Democrat, like, say, Miller? Or what about Joe Lieberman, who was shunned by your party, hmm?
Hey, look at Guiliani, for instance. Very moderate Republican (social issues in particular), yet I, a strongly conservative Republican, want him to be our next President.
Oh, and IMO, you have it backwards. If anyone needs to turn more to the center it's the Democrats. Just look at them 
Oh, and on top of that. The Republicans, overally, should become more conservative. They've lost their way and lost their backbown. The party that I would consider mine is becoming too centrist, if you ask me.
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Cathexis
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:34 pm |
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I'd just like to point out that I am fully aware of the biased natured of the test I linked to STV. It was, of course, intended to be humorous.
No one is forcing you to take it.
I also found that there were no options that I agreed with, which is why, in many ways, I laughed at the whole thing.
Apologies if anyone found it to be offensive, but as I said before, no one is forcing you to even visit the link. It was only a suggestion.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 pm |
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Yeah, and even though she came out independent, Cathexis is really pretty much a liberal. But an open-minded liberal, at that. 
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Cathexis
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:41 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Yeah, and even though she came out independent, Cathexis is really pretty much a liberal. But an open-minded liberal, at that. |
Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? 
I have many conservative reservations, by the way...RM....
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EnsignParis
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:42 pm |
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Liberal. Not extemely liberal, but I'd say in on the left.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:46 pm |
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| Cathexis wrote: | | Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? |
Well, true...I meant to call you a, what was it, "fair liberal?" I can't remember the term.
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TrekkieMage
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:26 am |
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I try and be as centered as possible, and I find myself rather disgusted by the major polital parties (Republicans and Democrats). However, I do admittedly tend to lean fairly heavily to the left on social issues (homosexuality...)
So yeah, I'd like to consider myself Independant.
As for the political tests, didn't take the first one, but this is what I got on the second (thought I don't quite agree with it, seeing as there were several questions I didn't have enough info on or an opinion on, but that wasn't an option ):
-5.13
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Cathexis
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:21 am |
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Yay for Independents! *high fives TM*
w00t!
Yes, I agree about the second test...I didn't seem to have an opinion that matched the options on some of the Qs on that one either....but at least it wasn't as biased, since people can't seem to take a joke around here........ *worried*
Anyway,
Question for ALL:
What viewpoints do you have that make you one or the other, in your opinion?
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:46 am |
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> Lower taxes (FLAT tax)
> Stronger defense
> Less government control
> Abortion illegalized in most instances
> Anti-gay marriage
> Pro-growth policies
> Pro-capitalism
> More economic freedoms
> Vouchers/school of choice
> Illegal immigration reform
> For "65 cent solution for first class education" (giving more money directly to the classroom)
> Anti-union/pro-right to work
> For private social security accounts
> Anti-separation of church and state (more narrow interpretation of establishment clause)
> For preservation of traditional values
> Pro-tax exemptions for religious institutions
> Relatively low spending (cut back welfare [those abusing the program], for instance)
> Tax incentives for businesses to do certain things
> Shrink the size of government
> "Peace through strength"
> Communism is evil (at least in practice; not sure about theory)
> For harsh penalties for sex offenders (25 to life)
> For strong leaders (especially in times of war)
> High educational standards
> Just plain pro-business
> Pro-freedom (not just in the US, but around the world) (ALL people have the RIGHT to be free)
> Pro-Iraq War
> Pro-Patriot Act
> Pro-Bush Anti-Terrorism policies
> Pro-Terrorist Surveillance Program
> Pro-energy independence (drilling in Alaska, yet pro-government incentives on moving towards new technologies)
> Making the United Nations still relevant to the world (something it is not)
> Spread of free trade and free markets
> Helping small businesses prosper
> Private Property Rights (ANTI-Eminent Domain abuse)
> Tax Reform
> Good amounts of local control
> Medical liability reform
> Protecting kids from child predators
Hope that's enough
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Seven of Nine
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Freedom of Speech
Universal Healthcare
Free education up to university
Worker's rights
Peace
Help for those unable to work (though not those who just don't want to)
Equal rights for everyone (including homosexuals, and those of other races, amongst others)
A decent standard of living for everyone
A right to abortion for medical reasons (may include mental health)
Wiping the debt of poor countries
A decent wage for everyone
Palestinians and Israelis to live together, with no wall seperating them
Freedom of religion
Resolution 194
Socialism 
Against-
Exploitation of poor countries
Imperialism
Eroding civil rights under the guise of anti-terror laws
Illegal wars
Illegal detention
Abuse against prisoners
Multinational companies that make their money off those in poverty
ID cards
Shoot to kill policies (unless absolutely necessary)
Invading other countries
Top-up fees
Backdoors in Operating Systems
The Israeli wall- that a lot of Israelis don't want and is stealing what's left of the Palestinian land
Destroying the environment
Before I make an essay out of this, I best get ready for my (free) college education
Edited: Noticed I'd put something in the wrong area- whoops!
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lionhead
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:04 am |
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Using CJ gregg's test. I'm Left Libertarian, almost in the middle but more to the left then to the Libertarian.
So i'm right above Nelson Mandela.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:58 am |
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My views:
1: Make abortion illegal any situation. there is a better way.
2: Gays have rights but not to get married. But should be treated like a human being.
3: Against terrorism. I believe protecting America and no negotion with terrorist or evil dictators.
4: Stronger Defense
5: Illegal immigration reform
6: Harsh penalities for sex offenders
7: We need strong leaders and moral ones.
8: I am for helping small business grow
9: Tax reform
10: Protecting kids from predators
11: Protecting kids from child abuse.
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:06 pm |
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| Cathexis wrote: | | Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? |
Absolutely not.
How open minded are Liberals toward anything the President does? How open minded are people like Michael Moore and Al Franken.
I'm not saying all Liberal are closed minded, and i'm not saying conservatives are all open minded, but Liberals (who tend to preach open mindedness the most), are generally as, if not more, closed minded than anyone else.
Anyhow, my issues:
Against all abortion, except in life threatening cases.
Against any death penalties carried out on U.S. soil.
Against high taxes, tarriffs, and fees.
Against non-defense federal spending.
Against most social programs. (e.g. Welfare)
Against Affirmative Action. (Or ANY race-based laws)
Against Legislative Activism.
Against Appeasing to foreign interests.
Against Fiscally Large Government.
Against environmental laws which cause loss of jobs.
Against government censorship.
Against almost all government agencies. (FDA, FCC, IRS)
Against much of the patriot act.
Pro much of the patriot act.
Pro Free Market Capitalism.
Pro Highly Funded Education.
Pro Highly Funded National Defense. (Police, Fire, Military)
Pro common-sence conservationalism.
Pro immigration/amnesty. (They're only trying to make a good life for themselves here.)
Pro right to bear arms.
Pro right to hunt.
Pro all property-rights.
Pro all rights to "Life, Liberty and persuit of Happiness/Property".
Pro tobacco/alcohol industry rights. (Why should they have to advertise against themselves!?)
Pro legalisation of marajuana.
Pro pre-emptive military action against rogue states.
I could go on, but I got the basics.
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TrekkieMage
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Cathexis wrote: | | Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? |
Absolutely not.
How open minded are Liberals toward anything the President does? How open minded are people like Michael Moore and Al Franken.
I'm not saying all Liberal are closed minded, and i'm not saying conservatives are all open minded, but Liberals (who tend to preach open mindedness the most), are generally as, if not more, closed minded than anyone else. |
From dictionary.com :
Liberal:
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a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
Conservative:
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
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1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
Thought that would be relevant
My opinions:
1. Pro-choice (with regulations)
2. For more even taxes. Tax cuts during wars should be illegal. The richer you are, the more taxes you pay. "Taxes are the price of civilization"
3. I believe we should review social programs. Those that are doing their jobs and returning positive results stay, those that have merit but are struggling get reviewed and overhauled, those that are black holes for funding get pitched.
4. I believe we should reinforce our foreign relations. We are now in a very globally integrated era, we should act accordingly.
5. I think we should stop meddling in other countries affairs and work on fixing our own education, transportation, energy usage, and budget. If we can get that straightened out then I'm all for telling other countries how to run themselves (oh, I like sarcasm as well )
6. For education, alternitive energy, budgeting, and curbing corruption in the executive and legislative branches.
7. Against the Republican party's behavior at the moment.
8. Against the Democratic party's behavior at the moment.
9. Against guns and the NRA.
10. I am for heavy taxation of tobbaco and gasoline (money from tabbaco tax can got to medical services, money from gas can go to alternitive fuel research and reforming standards for the auto industry)
11. I feel that the president should have the right to retaliate in defense with the military, but any campaign lasting more than 6months to a year must have congressional declaration of war and have been discussed in detail (budget/timeline/number of troops/goals) with members of congress. Not necessarily the public for obvious security reasons, but all cards must be on the table to those voting on declaration of war.
I believe in a lot of grey area
*high fives Cathexis back*
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LightningBoy
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| Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:58 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | Cathexis wrote: | | Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? |
Absolutely not.
How open minded are Liberals toward anything the President does? How open minded are people like Michael Moore and Al Franken.
I'm not saying all Liberal are closed minded, and i'm not saying conservatives are all open minded, but Liberals (who tend to preach open mindedness the most), are generally as, if not more, closed minded than anyone else. |
From dictionary.com :
Liberal:
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a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. |
I'm talking real world, not theoretical definitions from the dictonary. Can you honestly tell me that the liberals of the world have been open minded toward President Bush?
Liberals:
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/14.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/14.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/42.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/58.jpg
Tolerant?
How about some quotes?
"The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush."
-Cindy Sheehan
"That lying bastard, George Bush, is taking a five-week vacation in time of war, ... tells me why my son died in Iraq. I've got the whole month of August off, and so does he."
-Cindy Sheehan
"I personally hold Blair more responsible for this war than I do George Bush. The reason is, Blair knows better, Blair is not an idiot. What is he doing hanging around this guy?"
-Michael Moore
"These bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control."
-Michael Moore
"I sometimes feel that Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington"
-Hillary Clinton
"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.' What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar, and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants."
-Michael Moore
"The man's [president Bush] father is a wonderful human being. I think this guy is a loser."
-Harry Reid
I could go on... Now i'm not saying that Conservative quotes are any better, but at least the Conservatives don't go around preaching tolerance and such. This is simply hypocritical cause the fact is, Liberals are intolerant, too! (Though I don't remember any major conservative ever claiming any liberal "poops his pants" or and republican senator calling any democrat a "loser"...
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lionhead
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How did yuo guys all get a list of viewpoints so fast? I can't answer something like that in such short notice
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Seven of Nine
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I'd had a discussion in real life on Tuesday about it, while seeing a performance called "Beyond Belief" by Christian Aid (it was about the Middle East, Israel and Palestine specifically).
The other stuff just came to me.
When someone talks about liberal and conservative here, they normally mean the dictionary definition- although that said, we do have political parties called the Liberal Party (no, not the Lib Dems) and the Conservative Party (aka Tories).
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La Forge
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| Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:50 am |
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I don't have much to say about it, but, I am definately a Liberal (or so says my Government teacher and my parents.)
George W. Bush...Moron or Idiot?
You Decide!!!
heh...
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TrekkieMage
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | TrekkieMage wrote: | | LightningBoy wrote: | | Cathexis wrote: | | Isn't it redundant to call me an open-minded liberal? Isn't the word 'open-minded' part of the definition of a liberal?? |
Absolutely not.
How open minded are Liberals toward anything the President does? How open minded are people like Michael Moore and Al Franken.
I'm not saying all Liberal are closed minded, and i'm not saying conservatives are all open minded, but Liberals (who tend to preach open mindedness the most), are generally as, if not more, closed minded than anyone else. |
From dictionary.com :
Liberal:
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. |
I'm talking real world, not theoretical definitions from the dictonary. Can you honestly tell me that the liberals of the world have been open minded toward President Bush?
Liberals:
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/14.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/14.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/42.jpg
Tolerant?
http://www.protestwarrior.com/gallery/lefties/58.jpg
Tolerant?
How about some quotes?
"The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush."
-Cindy Sheehan
"That lying bastard, George Bush, is taking a five-week vacation in time of war, ... tells me why my son died in Iraq. I've got the whole month of August off, and so does he."
-Cindy Sheehan
"I personally hold Blair more responsible for this war than I do George Bush. The reason is, Blair knows better, Blair is not an idiot. What is he doing hanging around this guy?"
-Michael Moore
"These bastards who run our country are a bunch of conniving, thieving, smug pricks who need to be brought down and removed and replaced with a whole new system that we control."
-Michael Moore
"I sometimes feel that Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington"
-Hillary Clinton
"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.' What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar, and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants."
-Michael Moore
"The man's [president Bush] father is a wonderful human being. I think this guy is a loser."
-Harry Reid
I could go on... Now i'm not saying that Conservative quotes are any better, but at least the Conservatives don't go around preaching tolerance and such. This is simply hypocritical cause the fact is, Liberals are intolerant, too! (Though I don't remember any major conservative ever claiming any liberal "poops his pants" or and republican senator calling any democrat a "loser"... |
Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan are not my idea of an open minded Liberal. They call themselves liberal, but are far too closed minded and prefer to assault the other party rather than support their own. They are borderline fringe lunatics in my mind. I feel that the majority of both liberals and conservatives fall more towards the center of the political spectrum. It's just the really loud people who get all the attention tend to be more radical.
And I think the Alfred E. Newman thing was supposed to be a joke
Then Harry Reid:
Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) has said, �We all respect Senator Reid. He is one of the moderate voices around here who tries to get things to work.�
The site you gave? "Fighting the left and doing it right"? I think that has just a bit of a bias to it as well. There are conservative who have make signs just as bad, if not worse than that.
| Quote: | | but at least the Conservatives don't go around preaching tolerance and such |
And that's a good thing how? Are you saying that the Conservatives are intolerant and they admit it?
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:30 pm |
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I'm not going to get into the generalizing debate, but I just want to say that people like Sheehan and Moore ARE liberals. Being a liberal doesn't just mean being open minded, you know There are politics and opinions behind it. They're lunatics, yes, but they're also liberals. Moore just so happens to be even more extreme--a socialist. I remember him on O'Reilly back in '02, I believe it was. Saying that Bill Clinton was our second best Republican president. Uh-huh.
From my personal experience it seems as though many liberals (if not most, but I'll address that in a sec) actually aren't very open-minded. But that's clearly not all of them, but I wouldn't jump to say that the majority are open-minded, which I don't think is so. But that's just how I see it. Obviously I don't know all liberals (clearly not) and so I can't say that they're all close-minded. But I can say, I think, that like conservatives, a lot of them are close-minded.
One of the definitions of liberal technically is open-minded, but that doesn't acount for politics or, necessarily, truth.
Just wanna make it clear there that I wasn't generalizing at all, and was keeping a clear conciousness towards it. It's just how I've seen it, and how I think fits a large amount to most liberals, as is the case with many conservatives as well. Again, not to say that all are, because that's just not true.
But, sure, we've gotta keep in mind Robert Frost's quote, "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."
Doesn't mean that it's entirely true, but if it is, then I love the quote
Anyways, I think we're spurring off topic a bit, so I'm going to say that one reason why I'm a Republican (not talking conservative here) is because I believe the Grand Old Party to be a far more honest and trustworthy, have a better logo and color , have stronger, better stances on defense, have enhanced moral values (compared to the democrats), and usually fight the good fight, and for the issues I believe in.
Not to say that they're perfect or anything. I've had a good amount of criticisms for them in recent days. But they're the party that I'm better suited for, and I happen to like the GOP and many members of the party, as well as their ideology.
So that's why I'm not just a Conservative, but I'm a Conservative Republcian.
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LightningBoy
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| Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:47 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | The site you gave? "Fighting the left and doing it right"? I think that has just a bit of a bias to it as well. There are conservative who have make signs just as bad, if not worse than that. |
Again, "...I'm not saying that Conservative quotes are any better, but at least the Conservatives don't go around preaching tolerance and such. This is simply hypocritical cause the fact is, Liberals are intolerant, too! (Though I don't remember any major conservative ever claiming any liberal "poops his pants" or and republican senator calling any democrat a "loser"..."
| Quote: | | And that's a good thing how? Are you saying that the Conservatives are intolerant and they admit it? |
I'm saying neither party is tolerant of the other's opinions, and at least the conservatives don't lie about it.
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I still don't understand how that's a good thing for the conservative to do..."we're intolorant and proud of it!" (or at least that's how it's coming across to me...)
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Cathexis
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| Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:47 pm |
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Well, I'm tolerant.
But according to this other test I took randomly, one that wasn't biased....I'm a Socialist.
Eeks? Then again, socialism in its pure form isn't such a bad thing. I just have this problem with men like Lenin rushing things along to the point where, well......ya probably are familiar with the whole story...and the Communist overthrow...
Okay....moving on...
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