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Theresa
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More than sad. I wonder if Cheney will be charged with involuntary manslaughter if the guy dies.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:41 pm |
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Which would be horrifying, in both respects.
I hope it doesn't come to that, and God willing it won't.
Although he is a lawyer. I wouldn't be surprised if the man sued Cheney 
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TrekkieMage
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| Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:22 pm |
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My biggest problem with this (and I don't have a direct source, sorry, lunchroom conversations  ) is that apparently most hunters that they've interviewed have said that Cheney's defense is very thin. Apparently he should have known where everyone was before pulling the trigger.
Seems like he didn't do much correctly that day...Not an insult, an observation.
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LightningBoy
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| Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:27 pm |
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I am a hunter. Fact is, you shouldn't walk forward into a hunting line without vocalizing that you are, first.
Both men are at fault here. But here's the better question:
WHAT DOES THIS MATTER!?!?!
How does this make his performance as the VP any different. Argue Iraq, Argue Taxes, Argue REAL POLICY.
It's like arguing that Brett Favre can't sing. He's not a singer, so it's irrelevant. IT DOSEN'T MATTER!!!
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Sarah Connor
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| Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:31 pm |
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Well, I've heard from my news so I'm not going to read this BUT:
I heard Dick thought his hunter friend was a Quail and decided to shoot him. Yet the laywer was wearing a BRIGHT ORANGE jacket.. I didn't know Quail were orange, did you?  
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LightningBoy
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| Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:38 pm |
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You heard wrong.
They were hunting in a line, and Wittington had just shot a quail. That leftthe space to the left of Cheney open to fire. Cheney flushed a quail, just as Wittington caught back up to the hunting line, as Cheney turned to fire, Wittington stepped into the shot.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:01 am |
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Exactly. That's just what I heard, which means that both men were at fault. Though, yes, I concede that the good Vice-President shouldn't have been out there in the first place without the stamp...
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LightningBoy
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:07 am |
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I've heard mixed reports about the hunting stamp deal. I'll wait to hear a more definitive answer on that.
If it's found that he was poaching, he should pay his fines, and step down. I know it's probably not intentional, but I don't have a lot of tolerance for poaching.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:16 am |
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Sure. But I don't think it was poaching. Just not getting it. He has no reason to poach.
And are you saying he should step down as Vice-President of the United States?
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LightningBoy
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:27 am |
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If he really was unlicensed, yes I do.
I need to hear the whole case first though. IMO, the license issue is much more important than the shooting.
I like Cheney, but we Conservatives need to face the fact that he's simply not popular. Plus, he's got no reason to stay at VP, since it's basically a springboard for the next candidate. I think Condoleeza Rice would make a much better VP. It would raise Bush's poll numbers undoubtably, and it would give her the opportunity to build up to a run for '08.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:29 am |
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Perhaps it would, I'll grant you.
I think that if he's going to replace him with anyone, though, it should be Guiliani, although I do think Cheney's one of our better VPs.
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CJ Cregg
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:18 am |
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I would love Rice to be VP, she actually not half bad, for a republican 
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:39 am |
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Whoa--whoa! Step back! Did I just read that! Hello! She's a Conservative Republican who believes in most of the things Bush believes
But yeah, she'd be good, yes, but I don't want to talk about Cheney being replaced. We don't even know if he didn't have the stamp or not.
But you know, why is this--something that is mostly a personal matter--being treated like a huge scandal? Why are the late-night shows finding this so funny? That stupid Jon Stewart "downgraded" the story yesterday from I believe "Very Funny" to "Still Funny, but a little sad." What the HECK is up with that!?
A man has a heart attack and it's still FUNNY? Why is it funny, though?...
Because they hate Bush. Because they hate Cheney.
Oh, and btw. Dick Cheney doesn't need to hold a press conference on this, to be hounded by these jackals. Pretty much everything is known. There is no reason for him to be yeld at by those people.
Oh, and yeah. I'm not finding any scandal made when that one guy fell down the stairs when with Bill Clinton. Broke his leg and whatnot.
Nor am I finding a scandal about a certain senator on a certain night back in a certain year *cough* 1969 *cough* by a certain river...
Here's why it's been blown so big: because they hate Bush and Cheney. Especially Cheney.
Now, should this story be covered? Sure. But as much as it's been? No.
I wonder what Jon Stewert's gonna do if this guy DIES. 
Oh, and yeah. I'm getting really mad at EVERYONE who finds this even REMOTELY funny (the story) and those who are making it a bigger story than it really is.
Whatever happened to reporting something when the story breaks and mildly throughout the day, depending on the level, and then dropping it until there's an update? Whatever happened to CONCERN for the person who committed the ACCIDENT and the man lying in the hospital? It's FUNNY, now, for someone to shoot another and then that person to get a heart attack. Interesting how society is these days.
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Theresa
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:24 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Sure. But I don't think it was poaching. Just not getting it. He has no reason to poach.
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If he was hunting, unlicensed, and not under special circumstances, then yes, it's poaching. And to me, that seems to be someone who thinks he's above the law. Because, let's face it, if it were you or I? The fines would have been issued already. He's the VP, a public servant. They all forget that entirely too much. And we let them. Makes me wonder who's sadder.
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webtaz99
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:56 pm |
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I'm no lawyer, but unless there is evidence that Cheney meant to shoot his pal, I believe that the landowner is liable. I know that in Texas, landowners are liable for accidents that happen to anyone on their property.
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Leo Wyatt
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I don't live in Texas but where I am from , the landowner is also responsible. I don't think VP meant to shoot his friend. Maybe he should have had the license but not all people are perfect not even the VP.
They have to have evidence that he meant to shoot his friend seems to me. But I am not lawyer but I have a friend who works for one. I guess different states are different in laws.
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teya
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:19 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | I'm no lawyer, but unless there is evidence that Cheney meant to shoot his pal, I believe that the landowner is liable. I know that in Texas, landowners are liable for accidents that happen to anyone on their property. |
That's civil liability. The hunter himself is liable for any criminal charges.
Well, said Theresa. You've hit upon what bothers me the most about many conservatives on this board--they excuse any wrong-doing by the Republicans. Hello? I'm a civil servant. Were I to do something illegal, I'd be out of a job. Why is the vice president any different?
Because he and the administration believe they're above the law. Just like the Governator didn't think it necessary for him to get the same motorcycle license anyone else in CA has to get.
Quite honestly, coming from the "law & order" party, it's disturbing. And keeps me from voting Republican. I find them all to be hypocrites.
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:39 pm |
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| teya wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | I'm no lawyer, but unless there is evidence that Cheney meant to shoot his pal, I believe that the landowner is liable. I know that in Texas, landowners are liable for accidents that happen to anyone on their property. |
That's civil liability. The hunter himself is liable for any criminal charges.
Well, said Theresa. You've hit upon what bothers me the most about many conservatives on this board--they excuse any wrong-doing by the Republicans. Hello? I'm a civil servant. Were I to do something illegal, I'd be out of a job. Why is the vice president any different?
Because he and the administration believe they're above the law. Just like the Governator didn't think it necessary for him to get the same motorcycle license anyone else in CA has to get.
Quite honestly, coming from the "law & order" party, it's disturbing. And keeps me from voting Republican. I find them all to be hypocrites. |
You think Republicans are hypocrites but not Democrats? Wow.... nice fantasy world you live in.
I'm one of those "conservatives". I don't excuse everything Republicans do and I haven't said anything excusing what Cheney did.
Honestly, this does not warrant expulsion from any job, vice-president or McDonald's cook. Whe he did was wrong, at least, the not buying the license part. The shooting? Would Democrats please shut up? Stop acting like he was trying to kill the man. You know damn well he did not mean to shoot him. This is not the first time something like this has happened on a hunting trip. Why would he shoot a fellow Republican that is a friend? It makes no sense. You're only saying all of that because you hate Cheney, plain and simply. If this was John Kerry shooting John Edwards, you would complain about the evils of gun laws and how we should get rid of all guns.
Cheney IS in the wrong here and he should be punished, but to step down from office? That is too much.
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teya
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:46 pm |
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^ Oh, I believe it's extreme, too. But I also it believe it would be extreme for me to be dismissed for the same infraction.
We're talking about the Republicans here. Not the Dems. I completely agree there's equal hypocrisy among the Dems. But you're doing exactly what I can't stand.
"Well, yeah, we've got some problems, but those guys, they're worse!"
It's why I'm not registered with either major party. I think they both stink.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:05 pm |
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No offense but us Republicans aren't hypercrites. And if we say democrats are hypercrites oh boy democrats would really take offense. Not trying to be mean here.
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Theresa
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:54 pm |
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Saying either ones are hypocrites, (as a complete party), is stereotyping. And that's kind of against the rules. So make your comments on an individual basis, or don't make them at all. Thanks.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:17 pm |
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Heh. Republicans are hypocrits? Try looking at the Dems.
Now, not to generalize here, but I would say that there are a LOT more hypocritical Democrats than there are Republicans, most definitely. The Republicans are more trustworthy and all those things. That's why I'm one.
Although they're all politicians, so...
But then, this topic isn't about Republicans and Democrats, now is it?
It's about Cheney, of course, and so I'm going to say: I'm not excusing the Vice-President for doing this. He should have been more careful--but so should the victim.
Nor am I excusing Mr. Cheney for--if it IS true--hunting without a liscense.
However, it's nice to see that the Vice-President has come out saying that it was his fault and expressed deep remorse for shooting his friend...
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:22 pm |
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Okay, little news. They BOTH failed to buy hunting stamps.
| AP wrote: | The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report Monday that found the main factor contributing to the accident was a "hunter's judgment factor." No other secondary factors were found to have played a role.
The department gave Cheney and the victim, prominent Republican attorney Harry Whittington, warning citations for breaking Texas hunting law by failing to buy a $7 stamp allowing them to shoot upland game birds. A department spokesman said warnings are being issued in most cases because the stamp requirement only went into effect five months ago and many hunters weren't aware of it. |
You can find more details here.
So, yeah. He shouldn't have done it, but many hunters weren't aware of it...so I think I am excusing the good Vice-President on this one.
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Theresa
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| Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:51 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Heh. Republicans are hypocrits? Try looking at the Dems.
Now, not to generalize here, but I would say that there are a LOT more hypocritical Democrats than there are Republicans, most definitely. The Republicans are more trustworthy and all those things. That's why I'm one.
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What the hell was my post for? "Now not to generalize", and then you go and do that very thing. AND I'd already said to move on. Apparently you couldn't follow that simple instruction. Fine. Follow me as I lead you out of WN.
And, complain to who you like, you knew where you stood.
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