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CJ Cregg Commodore
Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 1254
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:40 pm |
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The government didn't get its way with this vote. They wanted a PARTIAL ban, as stated in their manifesto. If it had not been a free vote they would have whipped the labour side to vote for a partial vote.
What more do you want, a referendum?
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Superman Fleet Admiral
Joined: 06 Dec 2003 Posts: 10220
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:43 pm |
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I've said all I'm going to say on this issue. I'm happy to debate politics, but some of the questions raised could be topics on their own, and I'd be happy to discuss them sometime. Oh, thank you for the debate.
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IntrepidIsMe Pimp Handed
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Posts: 13057 Location: New York
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:29 pm |
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Yeah, I think the owner should be able to choose whether they want to allow smoking or not. But with that said, it's also a danger to other customers in the area; however, it's not as if people are forced to be there.
Here in NY smoking is illegal in restaurants and bars, and I have to admit that it's nicer now.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:33 pm |
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Same here. No smoking in any public place. I don't really have a problem with it. Even where I work, the campus is tobacco free.
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CJ Cregg Commodore
Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 1254
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:35 pm |
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Everywhere it happens, people oppose it at first, the grow to like it.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:38 pm |
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Yeah, it was put to a public vote here, (Maine), and passed with a fairly large margin. People were more upset about the bars, etc..., but even that has died down.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:41 pm |
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It may be nicer and healthier, but does that mean that the government should go in and regulate smoking in businesses? I'm not so sure.
And I must say, though, that going back to Albany every summer it's nice to go to Friendly's and not have to smell smoke.
(Mmmm...Friendly's...Wish I could have some, here, now... )
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LightningBoy Commodore
Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1446 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:31 pm |
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The government really should stay out of private business.
People know they're walking into a smokey bar when they do; it's THEIR choice. If I owned a bar and the government banned smoking, i'd really consider a suit. (Don't know about UK law, but similiar things are going on in the U.S.)
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jonathan95 Delta Prime
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 1544 Location: UK Newcastle
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:55 am |
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so a pub that advertises its self as a friendly family pub for mea's.
so if I take sammantha in there and I sit down to my meal and a guy comes next to me and sits and starts smoking its my fault.
I am all for this, I agree that it should be banned in all pub's that serve food, there's nothing worse than sitting down to your meal chocking on next door smoke.
I think the only pubs allowed to have people who smoke in it shoudlnd sell foods or be Private Clubs.
if you really want a cigeret go out side.
I also think parents who smoke should go out side if they want a cigeret so they dont bother there kids.
about a month back when I went to the shop a child couldnt have been more than 13 asked if I would by him a pack of 20 from the shop.
I just said no and walked off and though I wounder how long before somebody comes along that will get that kid a packet of tabs.
but back to the topic at hand, I think its great that smoking is becoming harder, I also think the government should be doing more to help people adicted to smoking.
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Joey Rear Admiral
Joined: 13 Jul 2001 Posts: 4708
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:34 am |
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well like here, where i work its a bar and resturant. so the bar is where you can go to smoke the rest of the resturant that you cant smell the smoke
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:41 am |
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Yes. There's smoking areas and nonsmoking areas, the smoking usually being solely in the bar area. That's as far as it should be regulated.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:20 pm |
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harrykim234 wrote: | well like here, where i work its a bar and resturant. so the bar is where you can go to smoke the rest of the resturant that you cant smell the smoke |
Or by working there you've become desensitized to the odor. When we go out of state, and they say, "smoking or non?", we're kind of caught off guard, because we've not had smoking indoors for years. But you can certainly smell, and taste the difference when you are in a place that allows it. Besides, the ventilation systems in restaurants do not filter out all of the smoke.
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:59 pm |
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Even though I'm not a smoker, and I hate second-hand smoke and cigarette butts, I think this is wrong.
There are technological solutions which would allow both sides to get what they want. This is simply one group forcing their "mores" (social rules) on others.
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harrykims#1fan Fan Girl Muskateer
Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Posts: 2916 Location: Leicester UK
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:06 pm |
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i'm a non smoker
i hate second hand smoke
i hate people smoking around me while i eat and while i'm at the pub
i'm glad there is a ban
It couldnt have come sooner
that is all
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:22 am |
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I've yet to come across a ventilation system that gets rid of all the smell of smoke from the non smoking area of a resturant.
As a non smoker, cigarette smoke bothers me a lot. This to me is a very good decision, and I have to live here
This is one area where I'm glad the government have stepped in.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:48 am |
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I completely 100% disagree with this change even though i'm a non-smoker and always have been. I also don't know why so many non-smokers are bothered by others smoking in the vacinity of them. I'm around people all the time that smoke and even in the same car and not fussed.
Thing is that in my line of work our business is suffering MAJORLY from the non-smoking rule put in place here in OZ about a month ago. If business doesn't pickup, indeed employees, including me might be facing job loss.
I think smoking in pubs used to work quite well because, well, most people in pubs smoke lol. I think it's the minority of people who don't smoke and go to pubs regulary have a problem with it, and of course the overall population of non-smokers seem to have a problem with it even though most don't even go to a pub regulary.
Next they will ban farting in public. It's ludicrous.
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 5335 Location: Hiding
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:26 pm |
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The problem isn't so much the smell, but the health risks. Second hand smoke kills. They've done the research. It isn't that the smokers are an annoyance or that they don't have a right to smoke, it's that they don't have a right to force other people to breath their smoke.
It's a huge health risk, which is why governments are looking to pass anti-smoking legislation in certain areas. I don't 100% know why they'd target pubs, but I can see the basis for their logic.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:17 am |
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It's not just pubs that have been targeted (that's just what the media are showing most of). All enclosed public places are affected by this ruling. There are exemptions, such as residential homes and prisons, but there aren't many of them.
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Otter Fleet Admiral
Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 12895 Location: England
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:13 pm |
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I don't think it'll stop smokers BUT it should!
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:40 am |
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Otter wrote: | I don't think it'll stop smokers BUT it should! |
Over half of the pubs I go to for my work the establishment owners and employees still smoke inside with minimal other people around and other people inside some of the rural pubs don't seem to give a rats and no one says anything. Who knows how this new 'law' will develop.
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