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LightningBoy
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I don't believe these people deserve rehabilitation. They've committed one of the most perverse and deplorable acts that anyone can. They shouldn't waste their time. If you want to rehab them, then maybe they should be placed in YOUR neighborhood when they get out.
Martha Stewart did FIVE months for NOTHING. This guy gets 60 days for Rape, and OF A LITTLE GIRL AT THAT!
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Republican_Man
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Oh, no, Kevin, as I said before, since he's getting out, he needs to get rehabiliation, even if that doesn't work for him. It's worth it, and necessary, considering that he's more than likely going to get out in 3 years.
Otherwise, though, if I had the power, I would give him 25 to life--preferably life--in prison, and would rather not take that chance.
But since we are forced with that chance being taken, I do agree that he should get treatment during his prison term.
I quote my last post to Link:
| Republican_Man wrote: | | And I do think that the prisoners should get treatment while in prison, which is why I'm happy that Vermont allowed that, which lead to the partial victory of a slightly increased sentence. |
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:41 pm |
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| LightningBoy wrote: | I don't believe these people deserve rehabilitation. They've committed one of the most perverse and deplorable acts that anyone can. They shouldn't waste their time. If you want to rehab them, then maybe they should be placed in YOUR neighborhood when they get out.
Martha Stewart did FIVE months for NOTHING. This guy gets 60 days for Rape, and OF A LITTLE GIRL AT THAT! |
The jail sentence has been increased to at least 3 to 10 years, actually, thank God--although he'll more than likely get out after the minimum, if he does all the things he's supposed to do.  But good point.
And apparently Cashman's supposed to usually be some tough judge.
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Puck
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| LightningBoy wrote: | I don't believe these people deserve rehabilitation. They've committed one of the most perverse and deplorable acts that anyone can. They shouldn't waste their time. If you want to rehab them, then maybe they should be placed in YOUR neighborhood when they get out.
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I think that if it looks as if someone has really changed, and it is viewed that upon release they could become a productive and valuable member of society, then they do deserve a second chance if they are truly sorry. On the sentence though, it does need to actually be punishment, not just a few weeks in prison. I believe a minimum of 15 years for the first offense, and if there is a second, then a life sentence could be acceptable. But if they have served time, and it is clear they have changed and could be valuable members of society, then sure, put them in my neighborhood.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:52 pm |
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How can we take that chance, though? What if what appears to be so just isn't so? How can we risk the innocense of another child?
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Leo Wyatt
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Not trying to put words into people's mouths but the justice system these days don't care about innocent little children. They rather let child rapists and molestors free. That is sick.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:14 pm |
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| Quote: | | "The solution to these concerns requires quick and effective treatment," the judge wrote. He also noted that Hulett tested at a borderline intelligence level, has the emotional maturity of a 12- to 14-year-old and did not understand why others were so upset by his actions. |
Yeah, jail is a great place for a person like that.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/12/vermont.judge.ap/index.html
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:16 pm |
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I've been told of what goes on there. Yes, it's horrible, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't get the punishment he deserves.
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IntrepidIsMe
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He's practically retarded. He needs help more than he needs jail.
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Leo Wyatt
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| Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:32 pm |
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Sometimes shrink can't help sick people. Sometimes prison is needed.
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Republican_Man
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | He's practically retarded. He needs help more than he needs jail. |
He has mental problems, that is true. But that does not mean that he should not get punished for his crimes. He's an adult and was in a right enough mind to know that what he did was wrong.
That CNN article is simply trying to make him out as an all-but-innocent man whom people are trying to throw in jail.
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IntrepidIsMe
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Since he was tested by professionals, I'd assume that they'd know what his problems are. If they came to the conclusion that he doesn't have a sense of right or wrong, that he's nearly retarded, and that he's extremely immature, then I'd also assume that that's all true.
Sure, he needs to be punished, but he needs help more than he needs discplinary action. I didn't realize that America was into throwing mentally challenged people in jail. Surprise surprise.
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Seven of Nine
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Isn't there a secure hospital where he can receive treatment? That's where mentally ill people who commit crimes go here- they're kept away from society, but they receive the help and treatment they need. Often, their sentences end up longer than they would have got in prison, but if it helps them, great.
This case is too confusing for me.
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Republican_Man
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He needs to get the appropriate time in jail, even if he is mentally ill. End of story.
Repeatedly for 4 years he raped this girl, and needs to get punished appropriately--as any criminal would. Although he should get treatment at the same time.
Justice for the little girl should be top on our list, not rehabilitation for this criminal.
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IntrepidIsMe
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Mentally ill people don't go to jail, they go to secure hospitals, as Seven of Nine suggested.
Justice would be just as much served there, as in jail.
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Republican_Man
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I disagree. Almost entirely. But let's agree to disagree, then.
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magenta
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 My step son is 16,when he was 10,11,12,13,14,15 or 16,he would never even think about doing such a horrible thing!
SO having the 'MATURITY' of a 13 or 14yr old does not count as an 'EXCUSE' does it!
I try to think about if it were my daughter that it had happened to!I would want him DEAD!
He was 'smart' enough to get away with it for 4yrs.Pedophiles are born 'Manipulators' stalking,acting,conning the kids into believeing a story to get what they want counts as 'intelligence' doesnt it?
They threaten them not to tell anyone about it,it sounds like he knows what he has done is wrong.If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing,they wouldnt try to conceal it would they!
They should all get the leathal injection! 
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Republican_Man
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I am around that same age, and never in my entire life have I ever contemplated such a thing. I mean, to do something like that to a child...
But apparently Mr. Hulett was a family friend, so he didn't have to lure the child in, and he lived at their house, I think, so yeah...The parents should have suspected something, but they didn't. However, yeah, he should know better, even if he is mentally challenged.
And besides. When his attorney was on the Factor, he made no mention of any mental illness. Now isn't that interesting?
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webtaz99
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Anybody who thinks pedophiles are in ANY WAY redeemable either does not have kids, or is sick in the head themselves.
Ask any PARENT if they would under ANY circumstances, trust their children to a "former" pedophile.
These people should be released from our misery and put down with the expediancy and methods used for rabid animals.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Republican_Man wrote: | I am around that same age, and never in my entire life have I ever contemplated such a thing. I mean, to do something like that to a child...
But apparently Mr. Hulett was a family friend, so he didn't have to lure the child in, and he lived at their house, I think, so yeah...The parents should have suspected something, but they didn't. However, yeah, he should know better, even if he is mentally challenged.
And besides. When his attorney was on the Factor, he made no mention of any mental illness. Now isn't that interesting? |
Perhaps he hadn't been tested or something yet? It's been mentioned on more sites than just CNN...
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webtaz99
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This is a no-brainer.
IF he raped a 4 year old, he IS mentally ill.
End of discussion.
IF he didn't admit to it openly, he KNEW it was wrong.
Period.
There is no discussion.
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IntrepidIsMe
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Well, he doesn't know that he has done anything wrong and has a borderline intelligence level. So I'd assume that he had no problem admitting to it.
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webtaz99
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I mean BEFORE he got caught.
If he didn't think it was wrong, he would say something in passing, like, "By the way, I had sex with your daughter this morning."
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IntrepidIsMe
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Hmmm, maybe. But do you announce everything that you haven't done wrong? Like "by the way, I had breakfast this morning." Or "Last night I slept."
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Link, the Hero of Time
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I see that people claim to know more here then the people that are actully a part of this case.
More proof that there was a reason for his decision, and if needed I'll get 10 more articles proving that he was right in what he did.
parts bolded for empahsis... others... well they seem to be conviently overlooked pieces.
| Quote: | Sex offender's 60-day sentence increased to 3 years
Published: Friday, January 27, 2006
By Adam Silverman
Free Press Staff Writer
Convicted child molester Mark Hulett will spend at least three years in prison, Judge Edward Cashman ordered Thursday as he increased a controversial 60-day minimum but maintained that retribution cannot be the sole focus in sentencing criminals.
Cashman changed the sentence he imposed Jan. 4, he said, because a new Corrections Department policy allows Hulett to receive sex-offender treatment while in custody.
"The court agrees that a punitive response -- punishment -- is a valuable and necessary component of society's response to criminal conduct," Cashman said during a morning proceeding in a crowded Burlington courtroom. "As stated during the sentencing hearing, however, punishment is not enough of a response in some cases.
"This is one of those cases," the judge concluded.
Hulett, 34, of Williston pleaded guilty last year to three counts alleging he repeatedly sexually assaulted a friend's daughter from the time she was 6 until she turned 10 in April.
The new sentence confines Hulett for three to 10 years, followed by two suspended sentences that place Hulett on probation for life and include 22 conditions that govern his post-prison conduct. His jailhouse treatment program will begin about a year before his release.
Hulett is likely to be paroled after the minimum, provided he completes counseling successfully. Hulett's treatment will continue for up to three years after his release, Corrections said Thursday.
Hulett, who could have withdrawn his plea if he were ordered to spend more than 90 days in prison, decided to accept the longer term and not appeal Cashman's ruling. Defense attorney Mark Kaplan called the revised sentence understandable.
"You can't stand here and say three years is unreasonable," Kaplan said. "What the judge did was fair."
Cashman's decision capped three weeks of intense scrutiny. Politicians, talk-show hosts and people nationwide called on the judge to resign. Corrections rewrote its treatment policy. The Legislature began considering a proposal to impose mandatory minimum prison terms for similar offenses. People debated the Hulett case, Cashman's sentence and the role punishment and treatment play in society's response to crime.
At Hulett's original sentencing Jan. 4, Cashman said the best way to prevent Hulett from committing similar crimes was quick treatment, but because Corrections would not offer counseling to Hulett in prison, the minimum term needed to be short.
Cashman said then he would have sentenced Hulett to at least three years if prison-based treatment had been available.
Critics said Cashman had disavowed punishment, was soft on child molesters and betrayed Hulett's victim. The judge and his supporters argued he made the best available choice and took action to protect the public.
Prosecutors, calling the 60-day minimum "illegal," filed a written request that Cashman reconsider. The defense countered that the original sentence struck a fair balance between treatment and punishment.
The hearing
Thursday's hearing took place in Vermont District Court in Burlington before a crowd of more than 70 spectators, lawyers and relatives of the victim and Hulett.
Chittenden County State's Attorney Bob Simpson said in a half-hour statement that Hulett's crime was horrendous and warranted punishment of eight to 20 years. Cashman, said Simpson, traded just deserts for treatment.
"With respect," the prosecutor said, "that is a bad trade."
Punishment satisfies society's right to justice and protects the community, Simpson said.
"People who are in jail can't hurt innocent people," he said.
Now that Corrections has agreed to treat Hulett in prison, Cashman should impose a longer sentence, Simpson argued.
Kaplan, Hulett's attorney, disagreed. He said Cashman should keep Hulett's sentence unchanged, stand up to outside pressure and base his decision on the law and the evidence. Prosecutors failed to justify an eight-year minimum with expert testimony, Kaplan argued.
"We still don't know after all this time why eight years is the right number. Did they take a poll?" he said. "The prosecution has chosen the easy way in this case, to say to the court, 'Give him eight years because he deserves it.'"
When the attorneys finished, Cashman lifted a pre-printed sheet of paper from his desk and began to read.
"Those sentences ensure Mr. Hulett's lifelong supervision by the Department of Corrections, including possible life imprisonment, if required for public protection," the judge said.
The hearing took 90 minutes.
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Cashman took a recess so Hulett -- who showed no reaction to the judge's ruling -- could consider whether to go along with the new sentence. After 15 minutes, Hulett agreed.
The victim's relatives smiled, hugged and thanked prosecutors for their work. Outside the courtroom, Simpson said he was pleased with the outcome, although he had hoped for an eight-year minimum.
"In this business, if you go from 60 days to three years, we're satisfied," he said.
Kaplan said he had prepared Hulett for the possibility of a three-year term. Hulett is deeply remorseful, Kaplan said, and is an "ideal candidate" to succeed in sex-offender treatment.
Gov. Jim Douglas, in an afternoon news conference, said he was not content with the new sentence.
"It's certainly a step in the right direction, but it still seems light," he said. "It's still a very modest minimum for a crime of that magnitude."
Hulett's parents left the courthouse without comment and did not return a telephone message seeking comment later in the day. The victim's family also avoided cameras and reporters, but the girl's stepfather said in a brief afternoon phone interview that relatives are satisfied.
"The judge did the right thing," he said. "Justice is served now."
Free Press Staff Writer Terri Hallenbeck contributed to this report. Contact Adam Silverman at 660-1854 or [email protected]
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060127/NEWS01/601270310/1009/NEWS01&theme=
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