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Theresa
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 Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:36 pm Bin Laden Offers Truce in Purported Tape |
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| Quote: | Terrorist Leader Threatens New Attacks Against U.S.
By LEE KEATH, AP
CAIRO, Egypt (Jan. 19) - Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce "with fair conditions."
The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast.
It was the first purported tape from the al-Qaida leader in more than a year - the longest period without a message since the Sept. 11 2001 suicide hijackings in the United States.
Al-Jazeera said the tape was recorded in the Islamic month that corresponds with December.
The speaker refers to an alleged comment by President Bush about bombing the Qatar headquarters of Al-Jazeera, which was first reported in the British press on Nov. 22.
He also refers indirectly to the July 7 bombings in London that killed 56 people and to poll numbers that showed a fall in Bush's popularity, as occurred in late 2005.
The voice on the tape said he was directing his message to the American people after polls showed that "an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq but (Bush) opposed that desire."
He said insurgents were winning the conflict in Iraq and warned that security measures in the West and the United States could not prevent attacks there.
"The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of European nations," he said "The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission."
The speaker did not give conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera.
"We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to," he said. "We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war.
"There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America," he said.
There was no immediate confirmation of the tape's authenticity, although the voice resembled that of bin Laden's in previous messages.
The last audiotape purported to be from bin Laden was broadcast in December 2004 by Al-Jazeera. In that recording, he endorsed Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and called for a boycott of Iraqi elections.
He issued numerous tapes in 2003 and 2004, calling for Muslims to attack U.S. interests and threatening attacks against the United States.
In an April 15, 2004, audiotape, he vowed revenge against the United States for Israel's assassination of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin - and at the same time offered a truce to European countries.
Bin Laden appeared in a video released October 2004, just ahead of U.S. presidential elections, saying the United States can avoid another Sept. 11 attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.
Since December 2004, bin Laden's deputy in al-Qaida, al-Zawahri, has issued a number of video and audiotapes, including one claiming responsibility for the London attacks, which he said came after Europe rejected the terms of a truce al-Qaida had previously offered them.
Al-Jazeera's editor-in-chief Ahmed al-Sheik would not comment on when or where the tape was received. He said the full tape was 10 minutes long. The station aired four excerpts with what it "considered newsworthy," he said, but would not say what was on the remainder.
01-19-06 12:21 EST
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Birdy
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| Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:55 pm |
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 I hope what he sais is not true.
And I hope they catch that bastard soon.  This is just a very twisted and sick man.
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Jeff Miller
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| Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:25 pm |
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I don't belieive anything Bin Ladin has to say. He started something now he has to deal with it.
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Admiral Dani�l
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| Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:30 pm |
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I just saw it on the news, if he wants to bomb somewhere else, bomb hisself, he isn't even worth such a die�ng, he is worth to suffer, let all the energy drain out of him, let him say he is sorry and then give him a reward, a gun shot. That is how i think about him (I have it about Bin Laden, not Bush)
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| Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:28 am |
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I don't beleive a word he says. I also hope we catch him soon. Maybe this tape might help?
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| Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:18 am |
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Hmmm.....somehow I don't think Cheney cares about what he has to say.....
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:23 pm |
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Nor should he. Let this message DRILL through the terrorists: We don't negotiate with terrorists. End of story.
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:45 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Nor should he. Let this message DRILL through the terrorists: We don't negotiate with terrorists. End of story. |
Not only has the US negotiated with terrorists in the past, but has helped them. I wouldn't speak so boldly if I were you.
I hope Bin Laden is found and his victims are given justice.
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:49 pm |
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| oberon wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Nor should he. Let this message DRILL through the terrorists: We don't negotiate with terrorists. End of story. |
Not only has the US negotiated with terrorists in the past, but has helped them. I wouldn't speak so boldly if I were you.
I hope Bin Laden is found and his victims are given justice. |
Yeah but when we were doing that in the past, we were in control of the situation. 
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:50 pm |
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Maybe we did that in history (although I haven't seen it; please share the evidence), but now we don't, and nor should we.
We don't negotiate with terrorists. End of story. Nor should we.
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:56 pm |
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Well one obvious example was training Bin Laden to fight. That would be "helping" IMO.
I know many Liberals consider Fidel Castro to be a "Great revolutionary", but I consider him to be a terrorist. The US helped him out too.
Those are just two sick individuals they worked with.
Now if you mean the literal negotiation with terrorists, I'm sure we have done before. But to save the lives of hostages who are about be beheaded on a webcam.
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:57 pm |
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So it's fine as long as we're in control of the situation? I think I'm missing something.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:57 pm |
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Well, you have to put both of them into the contexts of the times
For instance:
Osama bin Laden: We trained him to fight against the Soviets in Afganhistan, not knowing what he would do in the future.
Fidel Castro: I'm sure you know all about the revolution and everything...
Context of the times
And maybe we have, but I don't think we should, nor is it anywhere near common
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:01 pm |
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| oberon wrote: | | So it's fine as long as we're in control of the situation? I think I'm missing something. |
Um what exactly are you missing? Sounds pretty simple to me.
If the terrorists seek to gain something from us by using thuggish tactics in negotations, we shouldn't deal with them.
Now if we are in control of the situation and the terrorists are not using innocents against us, then we can negotiate for something. In other words, if its a true negotiation and not a threat.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:03 pm |
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Here's the negotiation: You stop carrying out terrorist actions, we'll be nice and simply put you in jail.
That's all I'll accept.
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:03 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Well, you have to put both of them into the contexts of the times
For instance:
Osama bin Laden: We trained him to fight against the Soviets in Afganhistan, not knowing what he would do in the future.
Fidel Castro: I'm sure you know all about the revolution and everything...
Context of the times
And maybe we have, but I don't think we should, nor is it anywhere near common |
I was just trying to make a point. There's a difference between morality and pride.
I used that phrase in a sarcastic manner. Though I do know that you're missing an understanding of the word hypocrite.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:06 pm |
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It's not dealing with pride. What part of not negotiating with terrorists don't you understand?
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:09 pm |
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| oberon wrote: | | I used that phrase in a sarcastic manner. Though I do know that you're missing an understanding of the word hypocrite. |
I suggest you watch what you say. Its painfully obvious that you are trying to goad us into a fight.
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:10 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | It's not dealing with pride. What part of not negotiating with terrorists don't you understand? |
Well forgive me for observing, but when the 'terrorists' want to negotiate with us it's forbidden. When we want to negotiate with the 'terrorists', it's prefectly acceptable. Where does pride end and objectiveness begin?
I'm not trying to start a fight. When someone presents me with sarcasm, I tend not to mince my words in return.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:17 pm |
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Perhaps you haven't been listening to me. I don't think we should ever negotiate with terrorists.
But, to answer your question, however: I would be more comfortable with us leading in negotiations than them. I assume you know what the terrorists did on 9/11, what they're capable of doing, what they want to do/their goals are, etc. Even more, I assume that you know what terrorists are. At least, I'm assuming...
Yeah, um, IMO, they abandon their ability to negotiate in 1992.
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:22 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Perhaps you haven't been listening to me. I don't think we should ever negotiate with terrorists.
But, to answer your question, however: I would be more comfortable with us leading in negotiations than them. I assume you know what the terrorists did on 9/11, what they're capable of doing, what they want to do/their goals are, etc. Even more, I assume that you know what terrorists are. At least, I'm assuming...
Yeah, um, IMO, they abandon their ability to negotiate in 1992. |
You know, terrorists aren't all disguised in turbans and dark skin. They come in suits and ties as well with nice little american flag pins on their breasts. Look to Washington, there resides a terrorist or two.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:23 pm |
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Uh-huh. Tell me. To whom are you referring? President Bush, Vice-President Cheney? If so, that's just...I can't even respond to that...
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oberon
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:26 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Uh-huh. Tell me. To whom are you referring? President Bush, Vice-President Cheney? If so, that's just...I can't even respond to that... |
Why? Because you know it's true? Let me inquire, does the terror alert system ease your fears?
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:34 pm |
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Instead of spouting off Liberal propaganda, perhaps you should back up your claims. Here is an easy one, John Kerry is a anti-American sympathiser. He has allied with everyone who hated America and Dem. have the nerve to suggest him to run the country against Al-Queda.
Also, what does the terror alert level have to do with all of this? Except the fact that Dem. use it as an excuse as to why they lost the election.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:41 pm |
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I don't even see how the terror alert level has any relevance to any of this.
oberon, I'm afraid to say that you've lost all credibility, just like Harry Belafonte (who called the President the "World's worst terrorist). It's interesting how you claim to not hate the President and then...Well, I digress. I don't want to spew accusations at you when you're claiming that you don't hate the President, so I'll stop there.
Anyways, yeah, you're argument is simply invalid, unless you're in an anti-American country or something...I mean, really. Calling the President and Vice-President of the United States terrorists? Credibility issues arrise from that...
I mean, how do you expect us to take you seriously in a debate? (Honest question, actually.)
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