What ship would you have if you was a captain? |
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Constitution Class |
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Galaxy Class |
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Nova Class |
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Nebula Class |
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Akira Class |
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Intrepeid Class |
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Sovereign Class |
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Prometheus Class |
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Other that hasn't been mensioned |
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Wolf359 Senior Cadet
Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 22
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:07 pm |
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I would say its a toss up between Intrepid and Defiant.
I have a poster that says thelife expectancy of a Galaxy class starship is 100 years, with a major refit every 20 or so years, and Im not sure how canon that is but it sounds about right, cause even in the Dominion wars they where still using Mranda classes and Excelsior and those are 70-100 years old.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:20 pm |
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Wolf359 wrote: | I would say its a toss up between Intrepid and Defiant.
I have a poster that says thelife expectancy of a Galaxy class starship is 100 years, with a major refit every 20 or so years, and Im not sure how canon that is but it sounds about right, cause even in the Dominion wars they where still using Mranda classes and Excelsior and those are 70-100 years old. |
I think that's about right. It's probably last longer then 100 years though.
As for me, I'd take a Sovereign. It has power, and comforts. Defiant class is not ment for comfort. My only problem with a soverign is that it can't land, so for landing reasons, maybe i'd take an Intrepid. Then again, an Intrepid can only hold 55 torpedos The soverieng is one of the most strongest ships there is as of nemesis, but It also has comforts, holodecks etc.. Long story short, Sovereign
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Ensign Reeves Ensign
Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 51 Location: USS Voyager
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Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:49 am |
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Prometheus all the way, it would absolutely own.
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Baracus Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 78
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Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:53 pm |
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I chose other. I'd use Mr.T's van. With his engine that runs off of pure helluva toughness it easily reaches a maximum speed of 400 trillion light years per second. You can easily go where no Q has even gone before.
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Cathexis The Angel of Avalon
Joined: 26 Dec 2001 Posts: 5901 Location: ~~ Where Dreams Have No End�
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Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:24 pm |
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Intrepid or Sovereign........
MAYBE Prometheus....that one's nice too!
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Undercover Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 36
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:21 am |
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Sovereign class or i would just wait until a new NX Experimental Class starship came out before i would take command.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Fri May 12, 2006 12:39 am |
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I dont know anymore. A Soveriegn is NICE, Defiants rule, BUT Intrepids and Novas can land and take off again etc... the only con is the INtrpid and novas are science ships...
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jonathan95 Delta Prime
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 1544 Location: UK Newcastle
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Fri May 12, 2006 2:55 am |
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Founder wrote: | Why the hell is Defiant class not up there?
Defiant class all the way. |
have to agree there its my fav ship so got to go with that.
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ilikefire208 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 226 Location: kansas
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Fri May 12, 2006 10:43 am |
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Intrepeid...its a small ship but definately has great capabilities....besides its a fast lil girl
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8 of 9 Borg Master
Joined: 17 Jul 2001 Posts: 1954 Location: Borg Nexus. I rule all of the Borg
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:20 pm |
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id stick with Voyager, and maybe a Borg Cube
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lifeguide Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 132 Location: AUSTRALIA
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:49 pm |
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This should be divided into activities as well as classes.
The Galaxy class is the best to explore with.
But if I had my choice it would be without doubt the best ship ever conceived in ST Defiant class.
Those quantum torpedo launches are absolutley perfect for combat and I do not think there would be many vessels calpable of defeating it in a dogfight or battle situation, without a doubt the right vessel to fight the Borg.
The only proviso I would place on my selection is that my Defiant class vessel would need to have a holodeck , I need to relax somehow and I do not fancy the visual device that the crew of the Equinox had.
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Kathryn_Janeway218 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 252 Location: Battlestar Arc Angel (CO)
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:50 pm |
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INTREPID'S ARE AWSOME!!! THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!!!
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Captain Cirk Junior Cadet
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 Posts: 19
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:33 pm |
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I think I'd have a Hand Flipper Class.
It was only in Ep. 32 of the original series. If you pause the DVD at about 14:23 you can see some guys hand in frame. I want to fly that ship.
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Spartan 688 Ensign
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 57
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:29 pm |
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PrankishSmart wrote: | Sovereign because it is a flagship class of ship and the most powerful federation ship. It is also the fastest and one of the deepest exploration ships so involving more first contacts and diplomatic missions of meeting new species. |
ummm no the prometheus class ship is the most powerful ship in star fleet
and if you want to argue read ships of the lin it is considered the most powerful ship in known space
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:08 pm |
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intrepid then galaxy
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:09 pm |
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Spartan 688 wrote: | PrankishSmart wrote: | Sovereign because it is a flagship class of ship and the most powerful federation ship. It is also the fastest and one of the deepest exploration ships so involving more first contacts and diplomatic missions of meeting new species. |
ummm no the prometheus class ship is the most powerful ship in star fleet
and if you want to argue read ships of the lin it is considered the most powerful ship in known space |
sovrign is the strongest but promethius is fastust
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calvin Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 78 Location: SoCal
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:59 pm |
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Spartan 688 wrote: | PrankishSmart wrote: | Sovereign because it is a flagship class of ship and the most powerful federation ship. It is also the fastest and one of the deepest exploration ships so involving more first contacts and diplomatic missions of meeting new species. |
ummm no the prometheus class ship is the most powerful ship in star fleet
and if you want to argue read ships of the lin it is considered the most powerful ship in known space |
well, isn't Ships of the Line non-canon?
anyway, how would you define "most powerful?" do you go by the total number of armaments a vessel is known to have? or the quality of the armaments? or should you go by combat/service record?
Lord Borg wrote: | the only con is the INtrpid and novas are science ships... |
and what's wrong with science ships? i think the Enterprise-D is cool precisely because it's a science/exploration ship.
personally i'd go with the Sovereign class over Galaxy if the Sovereign class also has science & research facilities. if i were commanding a starship, i'd much rather be exploring the universe and learning about/from other lifeforms rather than blowing them up.
oh, and i'd have a nova class in tow--it could be handy to have a science vessel you can take down to the surface of the planet.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
Joined: 31 Aug 2002 Posts: 19074 Location: Centre Bell
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:52 am |
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Spartan 688 wrote: | PrankishSmart wrote: | Sovereign because it is a flagship class of ship and the most powerful federation ship. It is also the fastest and one of the deepest exploration ships so involving more first contacts and diplomatic missions of meeting new species. |
ummm no the prometheus class ship is the most powerful ship in star fleet
and if you want to argue read ships of the lin it is considered the most powerful ship in known space |
No it isn't. The Sovereign is the most powerful.
Sovereign Strength Index wrote: | Armament : 12 x Type XII phaser arrays, total output 85,000 TeraWatts
1 x Rapid fire quantum torpedo tube1
4 x Type 4 burst fire photon torpedo tube with 300 rounds
Defence Systems : Auto modulated shield system, total capacity 4,590,000 TeraJoules
Heavy Duranium/Tritanium Double hull plus 10 cm Ablative armour.
High level Structural Integrity Field
Warp Speeds
(TNG scale) : Normal Cruise : 8
Maximum Cruise : 9.9
Maximum Rated : 9.99 for 36 hours.
Strength Indices :
(Galaxy class = 1,000) Beam Firepower : 1,700
Torpedo Firepower : 5,100
Weapon Range and Accuracy : 1,290
Shield Strength : 1,700
Hull Armour : 1,900
Speed : 4,125
Combat Manoeuvrability : 4,000
Overall Strength Index : 2,765 |
Prometheus Strength Index wrote: | Armament : 12 x Type XII phaser arrays, total output 60,000 TeraWatts
2 x Pulse fire quantum torpedo tube with 290 rounds
Defence Systems : Regenerative shield system, total capacity 3,915,000 TeraJoules
Heavy Duranium/Tritanium Double hull plus 18 cm Ablative armour.
High level Structural Integrity Field
Warp Speeds
(TNG scale) : Normal Cruise : 8
Maximum Cruise : 9.95
Maximum Speed untested as yet
Strength Indices :
(Galaxy class = 1,000) Beam Firepower : 1,200
Torpedo Firepower : 1,350
Weapon Range and Accuracy : 1,175
Shield Strength : 1,450
Hull Armour : 3,100
Speed : -
Combat Manoeuvrability : 3,250
Overall Strength Index : 1,340 |
According to the Daystrom Institute Technical Library (www.ditl.org), the Sovereign-class starship is over 2x as powerful as the Prometheus. In fact, even the Akira and Defiant are listed as stronger than the Prometheus. The only category in which the Prometheus beats the Sovereign is in hull armour. And with the punch that the Sovereign packs, I don't think it would make much of a difference, especially since it seems doubtful that the hull integrity of the Prometheus would remain the same if they tried their mutli-vector assault mode against the Sovereign. They'd just have to pick off the pieces one by one.
... Not that the two would ever be pitted against each other in a fight. But if they were, the Federation does not have another ship anywhere near the capabilities of their Flagship.
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Spartan 688 Ensign
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 57
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:28 am |
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well acording to http://www.ditl.org/
The power of the Prometheus was graphically demonstrated during the incident. Although the prototype was still in the test phase, she was able to inflict devastating damage on a Nebula class ship and withstand a combined attack by two Defiant class Escort vessels and an Akira class cruiser. In the same battle she used multi-vector assault mode to destroy a Romulan Warbird with ease
now honestley you going to tell me that a soverign class could do that? on its shake down cruise? controlled by a bunch of romulans who don't realy know how to fully use her?
Also Reasons as to why a Prometheus class was included in the Battle of Procyon V 200 years in the future are unknown, although Starfleet might have decided to refit them due to their efficient design.-Memory Alpha
so the prometheus class lasted to the 26th century? so i think it is safe to say the prometheus lasted to the 26th century and proof that the soverign did?
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calvin Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 78 Location: SoCal
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:12 pm |
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i don't want to weigh in on this Sovereign vs Prometheus issue either way--because i'm not familiar enough with either design to have an informed opinion. and frankly i think both sides have made good cases for their position.
however, i would point out that there are some unsound deductions in your last argument.
like i said before, what "powerful" means needs to be clearly defined to qualify such speculative remarks. if you're going on a starship's battle record, then you certainly give a pretty convincing case for the Prometheus' capabilities in that instance. i don't know if the Enterprise-E has faced off against such formidable forces or not. that's a question better left for someone else to answer.
however, service-life doesn't necessarily relate to how powerful a ship is. i think you'd have to redefine your comparison criteria if you want to make that argument.
for instance, the Iowa-class battleship has had a tremendous service-length, but it's certainly not more _powerful_ than newer ships with far shorter service-lengths. it wasn't even the most powerful warship in WW II when it was introduced. there are various reasons for having an extended service-life. some of it may be due to the design's efficacy in a particular role. some of it may be due to cost, convenience, logistics, and a wide range of other factors.
service-length is a good argument for how influential or well-built a starship is, perhaps, but it's not a good indication of power.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
Joined: 31 Aug 2002 Posts: 19074 Location: Centre Bell
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:55 pm |
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You want my opinion on whether the Sovereign could have done that? Yes. Why? Because that was Voyager's writers. The same writers who had a science vessel fending off Borg Cubes left and right.
If you want to talk about service records, then how about in "First Contact" where the fleet was being decimated by the Borg until the Entierprise-E (a Sovereign class) arrived, and it was destroyed. Not to mention it later destroyed the Sphere with a few of it's Quantums.
Then there's the movie "Nemesis" in which the Sovereign was the only ship capable of surviving the incident against the Scimitar in which 3 Romulan ships were destroyed by the Reman vessel.
You have one Voy episode and some non-canon books by authors not associated with the series in any way other than paying for the rights to use the Star Trek universe. I've got several movies worth of proof to show that the Sovereign is the Federation's Flagship for a reason.
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:48 pm |
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I'm afraid I'd have to go with Dan on this one and say if I were to captain any sort of starship, it would most definately be the Soverign-class of ship, the Federation's flagship...nothing against the Intrepid-class, whioch is also good, but as Dan said, the soverign is the flagship for a reason !
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Spartan 688 Ensign
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 57
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:18 am |
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okay calvin you had some very good points indead but wa i was implying is a 26th century promethues would be more powerfull when it came in to service then then the sovrign in the 24th century(no canon i know of says it lasted till the 29th) but yes i agree with what you are saying and think i should have stated my argument alot better
now according to Valathous i will now address your argument
Quote: | You want my opinion on whether the Sovereign could have done that? Yes. Why? Because that was Voyager's writers. |
Now if you were a real trekkie you would know star trek goes to great lengths to keep the star trek the series consistant with each other so far as geting scientist to fill in bits of the scripts so to think they got diffrent writers.
Well here is a list according to imdb who have similar writers some are even producers who have more say over the show then they did in TNG so that prometheus episode was overseen and probaly written by one or more people on this list
Ronald D. Moore did 2 episodes for voyager
Brannon Braga executive producer / supervising producer / ... (170 episodes, 1995-2001)
Joe Menoskyproducer / co-executive producer / ... (100 episodes, 1996-2000)
Michael Piller executive producer (45 episodes, 1995-1996)
Jeri Taylor creative consultant (78 episodes, 1998-2001) (u may know here as seven of nine)
Rick Berman executive producer (171 episodes, 1995-2001)
Jean Louise Matthias (2 episodes, 1995-1997)
Ronald Wilkerson (3 episodes, 1995-2000)
Nick Sagan (5 episodes, 1998-1999)
Now as for star trek nem the story was done by Rick Berman who was an
executive producer for 171 episodes of voyager ??? so i still think that prometheus would outgun and out shield the sovereign class
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Thomas Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001 Posts: 19730 Location: Manchester
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:37 am |
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Spartan 688 wrote: | Ronald D. Moore did 2 episodes for voyager
Brannon Braga executive producer / supervising producer / ... (170 episodes, 1995-2001)
Joe Menoskyproducer / co-executive producer / ... (100 episodes, 1996-2000)
Michael Piller executive producer (45 episodes, 1995-1996)
Jeri Taylor creative consultant (78 episodes, 1998-2001) (u may know here as seven of nine)
Rick Berman executive producer (171 episodes, 1995-2001)
Jean Louise Matthias (2 episodes, 1995-1997)
Ronald Wilkerson (3 episodes, 1995-2000)
Nick Sagan (5 episodes, 1998-1999) |
Uh, I just have to pipe up here. Jeri Ryan played Seven of Nine, not Jeri Taylor. They are very different people, LOL. As for the 'writers of Voyager' argument, I don't think anyone can use that as an excuse for anything. "The writers of Voyager screwed things up" is not a valid argument in my eyes. It was written, therefore it's fact in the Star Trek universe. The end.
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Spartan 688 Ensign
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 57
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:44 am |
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HAHAHAHA oh crap lol thanks i din't even notice that just seen jeri and typed lol NOOB NOOB NOOB >Spartan 688<NOOB NOOB NOOB lol i feel so stupid now my mistake and i also agree with the voy writers argument
well spotted mistake lol i can't belive i made a noob mistake like that but hey people make mistakes right?
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