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| Quote: | NBC's 'Book of Daniel' Sparks Fire-and-Brimstone Reaction
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans
NEW YORK � Conservative Christians are gearing up for a holy war of sorts over NBC's forthcoming show "The Book of Daniel," airing the first week of 2006.
The American Family Association (AFA), a leading group in the Christian right movement, has called for a boycott of the series about a self-medicating Episcopalian priest whose son is gay, whose daughter deals pot and whose wife is a midday martini-lover.
The program "is an example of that network's anti-Christian bigotry," said the AFA in a press release widely distributed on Wednesday. The group claims that the network has received more than 400,000 e-mails complaining about the show.
NBC executives could not immediately be reached to confirm that statistic or respond to the AFA's threat of a boycott and characterization of "The Book of Daniel."
A day earlier, "Book of Daniel" star Aidan Quinn � who plays the Rev. Daniel Webster � called the series "a pretty down-the-middle, wholesome show."
"I honestly don't think it's going to be nearly as controversial as some people may now be afraid of," Quinn told The Associated Press. "It just has the courage to deal with some of the real issues that go in on people's lives."
Webster is shown having visions of and conversations with Jesus Christ in the flesh and has such a bizarro extended family that his priesthood and parish are in jeopardy of forging a relationship with the mafia.
"I'm an Episcopalian priest who struggles with a little self-medication problem, and I have a 23-year-old son who's gay, and a 16-year-old daughter who's caught dealing pot, and another son who's jumping on every high school girl he sees, and a wife who's very loving but also likes her martinis," Quinn told the AP.
"I can't tell you how many people have said to me, 'Hey, that sounds like my family.'"
The AFA begs to differ, blasting NBC and the show.
"The decision by NBC to air the series reflects the anti-Christian bias which exists at the highest levels of the network," AFA chairman Donald Wildmon said in the press release. "Christian-bashing is in style at NBC."
"The Book of Daniel" premieres Jan. 6 at 9 p.m. EST with two back-to-back episodes, before moving to its regular 10 p.m. slot the following week.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180034,00.html |
Alright. I heard about this the other day listening to Mike Gallagher on the radio, on my way to school. I am incredibly offended and appauled. You know, if this program were something about Jews or Muslims, there would be SUCH an uproar! But noooo. It's Christianity. Big deal. Laugh it off. It's funny.
No, it's OFFENSIVE. I'm glad that some stations aren't showing this horrifying program, and wish that mine would do the same.
It goes against EVERYTHING Christianity stands for and makes a mochery of the religion. It's disgusting and really shows an anti-Christian bias over at NBC.
If it weren't for Law and Order, I'd boycott the network entirely until the show was done. It's disgusting, offensive, appauling, pitiful, horrifying--and any synonyms you can come up with. This is just wrong--really wrong.
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Well, I personally don't see how this show is Anti-Christian at all. Everybody's family has problems, and so do priest's. Including the priests themselves, as is clearly evidenced by recent events. I don't see how the show portrays Christianity in a negative light. However, I didn't get an opportunity to watch it, as I fear that my local NBC network refuses to air it. I would prefer to watch it before jumping to any judgement.
And the AFA is a disgusting organization, too bad. I'd have just a bit more respect for this movement if they hadn't aligned themselves with it, 
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Do you SEE the kind of stuff they have in this show? No, clearly you haven't read anything about it, and don't know anything about it, and CLEARLY you DEFINITELY are an athiest (as we all know), and therefore see NO problem with this show, huh? I mean, a Priest being on drugs, seeing and having conversations with a hip and groovey Jesus who condones lesbianism, has a daughter in the drug business, a church that might open relations with the mafia, a gay son--how can you NOT see the attack on Christianity here? It's making a mockery out of it! Ay ay ay. The AFA--a good organization overall--is right and is doing the right thing here.
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Wow.
As I said, I haven't viewed it, so I can't exactly judge it. Have you seen it?
Are you honestly telling me that there aren't any priests on drugs, or that there haven't ever been any? You have got to be seriously confused if that's what you believe. Priests are people too, they make mistakes. But I suppose our world would be better off if we just covered that up? Probably for the Christian Church be, but should we? Right.
And I don't see what the priest's family has to do with portraying Christianity in a negative-- or positive light. They're lay people, they really don't have much to do with religion in the first place. So the children and wife issue really doesn't apply at all.
And what's wrong with displaying Jesus as "hip and groovy"? I didn't realize that that was a bad thing. If people can connect to that, isn't that what the church is all about? Oh my gosh, I think it is! I haven't seen/read anything about their Jesus character supporting homosexuality, but if it's true, then that would go against what most Christian religions say, yes.
And: I fail to see how my religious beliefs have anything to do with this. But feel free to bring them up whenever you'd like if you think they'll make your argument extra-special. Afterall, I'm pretty sure that there are even some Christians that would agree with me on this.
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| Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:34 pm |
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This...looks....interesting I guess.
I'm not sure if this is an "attack" on Christians though. I think the focus is more of a family trying to get through real problems. They just happen to be Christian. It adds an element to it.
I can't really judge the show, until I see it though.
I'm not too big on the parody of Jesus though. It depends on how that is handled. If "Jesus" says that Lesbians are good because we should love all of mankind? Good. If he says they are good because seeing them go at it is "hott"? BAD and OFFENSIVE.
Honestly? If Athiests watch the show and say "Ha! Thats how Christians live!" It will just show how ignorant, close minded, sterotypical, and hypocritical they are. Now if they watch it and say "This is an interesting show, not on the basis that it shows Christians are screwed up, but because people really have problems like that." Then it will show that its just a show and maybe people will see it for what it is.
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If you don't like it, don't watch it 
Plus you already have an opinion against it before seeing it. Hmm who's listening to political propaganda now.
This controversy has actually made me want to see it. When Ive seen it i will tell you what i think. Bu i expect its been over hyped like everything else
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I do agree only with one thing CJ Cregg said was | Quote: | | If you don't like it, don't watch it. |
But, I prefer not to watch it cause I already done heard about it from my fav christian group message board.
Talking about homosexuality, i still stand on my beliefs that it is wrong but hey this is probably another topic that will just keep going in circles. Everybody has different opinions..
There are other tv channels to surf through. If us christians want to watch something Christian, I suggest TBN or if you have satelite I am sure there is a christian channel on there. I don't watch anything that I know may be wrong. So if I don't want to watch something then I don't watch it.
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This has NOTHING to do with listening to "political propoganda"  Maybe I just happen to see what I see and hear and read what I hear and read from those that have similar family and religious values to me AND the news, and make a judgment from there? More on this in a moment.
Anyways, I don't know exactly, Founder, but I've heard that it's SOMETHING to that effect. Not that we should love them, but that might just be a rumor, or more than that, but I really don't quite know about that.
But in it he's like a hippie, an "unconventional Jesus" (unconventional), as imagined by the Priest. Or at least something like that, as he's a "hip, modern Jesus." What do you think that implies, especially with all the talk about the Priest's LESBIAN secretary at the church. Oh, and this secretary. She sleeps with the PRIEST'S sister in law.
It's not just an ordinary Christian family--it's a PRIEST. So what if there are priests on drugs? That doesn't mean that they should make a show about it, or show Jesus in the light they are showing him. Plus, I don't think most families have pot-dealing daughters and sons that are always getting another woman or whatever. It's a very anti-Family show. I mean, also, the 16 year old adopted son, it's been reported, HAS SEX with the BISHOP's daughter. Yeah, it's a real family show, alright. Yeah, it's a real appropriate show, alright. Yeah, it's really a non-offensive show, alright I'm offended already, and I haven't even seen the damn thing!
Consistently homosexuality is thrown into it--into a show about the family of a Christian PRIEST. Really, I don't care if a person's gay or not, so long as there's no gay marriage (but an equivalent). I don't give a dang what they do in closed doors. But do we REALLY need to make the 23-year-old son of the priest gay and the lesbian secretary of the priest have sex with his sister in law? I don't think so, and throwing all that together is dealing with anti-Christian bigotry, yet again in the media.
To read a quote that I've found in several places on the net, [The Priest] regularly sees and talks with a very unconventional white-robed, bearded Jesus. The Webster family is rounded out by a 23-year-old homosexual Republican son, a 16-year-old daughter who is a drug dealer, and a 16-year-old adopted son who is having sex with the bishop's daughter. At the office, his lesbian secretary is sleeping with his sister-in-law.�
And Christian church dealing with the mod!? All things point to this show being entirely offensive and anti-Christian!
http://www.nbc17.com/news/5828681/detail.html has a couple clips in a news story link over to the immediate right side of the article. I don't like the looks of it.
There are some things that I don't necessarily agree with in entirety, I like this blog I found in a search on this:
| Quote: | NBC�s �Book of Daniel� Condemned � Paul Dean
�Conservative Christians are gearing up for a holy war of sorts over NBC's forthcoming show �The Book of Daniel� airing the first week of 2006,� according to Fox News. The show�s star Aidan Quinn - who plays the Rev. Daniel Webster - called the series �a pretty down-the-middle, wholesome show.� �I honestly don't think it's going to be nearly as controversial as some people may now be afraid of,� Quinn told The Associated Press. �It just has the courage to deal with some of the real issues that go on in people's lives.��
Great! We can all rest easy. The show is �down-the-middle� and �wholesome.� Just in case, before we breathe a great sigh of relief, let�s see how Quinn defines �down-the-middle� and �wholesome.� �Webster regularly sees and talks with a very unconventional white-robed, bearded Jesus. The Webster family is rounded out by a 23-year-old homosexual Republican son, a 16-year-old daughter who is a drug dealer, and a 16-year-old adopted son who is having sex with the bishop's daughter. At the office, his lesbian secretary is sleeping with his sister-in-law.�
Well, it seems that postmodern revisionism has found its way into the dictionary. These things are indeed real issues that go in the lives of many people. But, that is why we preach the gospel, that those people might be saved and delivered from such enslaving sin. From a biblical perspective, the entire Webster family needs to be evangelized.
Quinn told the AP, �I'm an Episcopalian Priest who struggles with a little self-medication problem, and I have a 23-year-old son who's gay, and a 16-year-old daughter who's caught dealing pot, and another son who's jumping on every high school girl he sees, and a wife who's very loving but also likes her martinis. I can't tell you how many people have said to me, �Hey, that sounds like my family.�� Again, that may sound like some families, but it certainly does not represent the average Christian family, let alone a gospel minister�s family. The sad truth may be that such a family is representative of what one might find in the liberal/apostate wing of the Episcopal Church. However, in bible believing churches, Webster would not be qualified to serve as a minister (1 Tim. 3:1-7).
We must also give some thought to the fact that Webster regularly has visions of and face-to-face conversations with �a very unconventional�Jesus.� In this pervasively postmodern culture, neo-gnosticism is alive and well. It seems that every program on television with a religious theme is given to the ancient philosophy dressed up in modern garb.
The notion that we have direct, physical contact with the divine is behind this thinking. Never mind that the Scriptures indicate that this type of thing is not normative today. We experience God�s presence through the Holy Spirit and He speaks to us by His word, the bible. Casual conversation via visions, appearances (theophanies) or direct revelations is simply not how it works today. The quest for an actual physical experience with the divine as opposed to a mediated experience through the word of God is behind such thought even in Christian circles.
What makes this part of the program so unnerving is more than the fact that it is an unbiblical portrayal of how God communicates to us and that is that many Christians themselves would actually approve of this brand of mysticism as patently biblical. It is difficult to get the world to portray things in a biblical manner when much of the Christian world embraces such nonsense.
One more comment in regard to �a very unconventional Jesus.� Do we expect anything different from an unconventional Jesus on a secular program? Of course, we must translate �unconventional.� In plain terms we would say heretical. However the Lord Jesus is portrayed, if He is not portrayed as revealed to us in the Scriptures, then we have another Jesus which is no Jesus at all. What we have is sheer idolatry.
NBC and the mainstream media call it "edgy," "challenging" and "courageous." While they mean those words in a positive way, we must point out that they are right, but in a negative way. The program is edgy and challenging because it redefines biblical Christianity. It is courageous in a warped sort of way in that it boldly blasphemes the God of the bible, mocks His revealed truth, and effectively smacks Christians in the face.
�The series is written by Jack Kenny, a practicing homosexual who describes himself as being �in Catholic recovery,� and is interested in Buddhist teachings about reincarnation and isn't sure exactly how he defines God and/or Jesus. �I don't necessarily know that all the myth surrounding him (Jesus) is true,� he said.� There you have it folks. But, don�t forget, the program is �down-the-middle� and �wholesome.� Well, it is if you are a homosexual Buddhist who believes the bible is myth.
�NBC considers The Book of Daniel a positive portrayal of Christ and Christians.� What does that say about NBC? Programs like this reduce the Scriptures to nothing more than human documents that can be reinterpreted any way we like. They reduce Christianity to someone�s notion of what Christianity is and not what the bible says it is. They reduce Christian experience to nothing but worldly experience. And, they reduce the power of the gospel to powerlessness as those who claim to be Christian evidence no spiritual power or change in their lives.
Let us turn briefly to The American Family Association (AFA). The organization has called for a boycott of the series. There is no doubt that Christians should not tune in to this program on a regular basis. I for one will not. It is indeed part of the larger assault on Christ from this culture. At the same time, we still stand away from calling for block boycotts. It is so easy to use our carnal muscle. But, we are told that �the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds (2 Cor. 10:4).�
AFA is right in saying the program �is an example of that network's anti-Christian bigotry.� I for one am happy �that the network has received more than 400,000 e-mails complaining about the show.� But, let us leave it at personal refusal to watch the show, personal complaint to NBC, warnings from the AFA (and even this blog and the like), gospel preaching, and prayer. Let us not bully NBC simply because they bully us. While calling for a boycott of this show may be slightly different than calling for a boycott of a retail outlet to force them to conform their behavior to that which we want, a practice we should regard as patently unbiblical, though the personal decision to shop elsewhere is always appropriate, it still smacks of strong-arm tactics to get what we want from NBC.
Beloved, NBC is pagan. They are going to act like pagans. If the ratings are good, the show will continue. If the ratings are bad, the show will not. Let Christians make personal decisions and pray they make the right decisions and pray the show will not be successful. But coming against NBC with a public boycott puts the battle on the wrong field and makes them adversaries for us to defeat rather than helpless sinners for us to win to Christ. Even Fox News said we were gearing up for a holy war. We are being compared to Jihad. Oh, how that breaks my heart. Brethren, this ought not be. Donald Wildmon of the AFA is right when he says that �Christian-bashing is in style at NBC.� But, let not NBC-bashing be in style in the Christian community. |
I'll watch for more commercials, though. I don't like what I'm reading, hearing, or seeing at all. Not at all--and I'm not even Episcopalian. I don't even know the branched-off tenets of that denomination of Christianity.
Now, I guess I'll CONSIDER watching a single episode to get a first-hand assessment, but this is exactly what they said about Farenheit 9/11. I KNEW what it was about and everything, and yet couldn't say anything about it because I didn't see it . I don't think that this is one of those cases in which I need to see the show before I make a verdict. I don't like the look of the clip I told you to link to at all.
But just tell me: if this was done about a Jewish Rabbi in his dysfunctional family--in which he talks to a God that's saying all sorts of steriotypical Jewish things---or a Muslim Imam and his dysfunctional family, in which his son's a terrorist, what would be the reaction? What would happen? It sure as hell wouldn't be like it is with the Christian one. The uproar would be bigger, because it's a "minority" group or whatever crackpot, unfair argument could be made up (either way it would still be wrong, though).
This link also contains a good blog in it, restating my point up there: http://attaboy.tommydoc.net/?p=1717
This is one of those things where I think I can pre-judge it.
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Well i prejudged The Chronicles of Narnia as being a religious film. But i ignored the extreme left wing views and watched it. And i loved it.
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I still don't see how what lay people do can be found to be offensive in the manner that you're suggesting. About the priest, I can understand where you're coming from. However, there are people that do things like deal drugs and engage in homosexual acts all the time. How is any of that far fetched? I don't see it. Perhaps we should elminate Will and Grace and Desperate Housewives while we're at it?
And I also don't understand what the problem is with portraying a modern-type Jesus. Maybe if the character engaged in sinful acts, I could follow you on that, but otherwise?
I suppose it's easy to jump to conclusions.
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| Quote: | Webster is shown having visions of and conversations with Jesus Christ in the flesh and has such a bizarro extended family that his priesthood and parish are in jeopardy of forging a relationship with the mafia.
"I'm an Episcopalian priest who struggles with a little self-medication problem, and I have a 23-year-old son who's gay, and a 16-year-old daughter who's caught dealing pot, and another son who's jumping on every high school girl he sees, and a wife who's very loving but also likes her martinis," Quinn told the AP.
"I can't tell you how many people have said to me, 'Hey, that sounds like my family.'"
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That's what really scares me.
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | And I also don't understand what the problem is with portraying a modern-type Jesus. Maybe if the character engaged in sinful acts, I could follow you on that, but otherwise?
I suppose it's easy to jump to conclusions. |
Well what is bothersome is that, RM says it MIGHT be this way, Jesus likes Lesbians because it is "hott", not because we should accept everyone.
You might say "liking lesbian sex is sinful now?"
It is wrong to depict God in such a...disturbing manner. People may not care of course and that is understandable if you don't believe, but in that case, I don't blame that organization for getting angry.
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Well, I'd agree that that's incorrectly portraying Jesus according to the Christian faith. But once again, nobody here has apparently seen it and is able to say for sure that that really occured.
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| CJ Cregg wrote: | | Well i prejudged The Chronicles of Narnia as being a religious film. But i ignored the extreme left wing views and watched it. And i loved it. |
There's a difference there. That wasn't something that was incredibly offensive or attacking in any way. Farenheit 9/11 and this, on the other hand, are.
And Intrepid, sure there are SOME families with those things, but THIS dysfunctional, and with a PRIEST as the father and ALL these things added on to it? And just because there are SOME families with things like this DOESN'T mean that you should make a TV show about it! I mean, really!
Will and Grace and Desperate Housewives, while not good in terms of content, aren't like this. They're not taking a family of kids and things that go against the Christian faith and a "modern" and "unconventional Jesus" and a priest who's a "pill popper" and making it a TV show. Comparing the two just can't be done.
I suppose you just don't understand the morals and values of a great deal of Americans, now do you? You clearly don't understand in the least bit. But that comes from being an athiest, with no religion in site.
This show is only adding to our dark path and a secular future. It's not good, and you seem to not understand this at all. I feel sorry for you, really.
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Well, I'd agree that that's incorrectly portraying Jesus according to the Christian faith. But once again, nobody here has apparently seen it and is able to say for sure that that really occured. |
In that point I do agree.
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Tell me. What is a "modern" and "unconventional" Jesus, as the producers themselves have called him?
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Oh, and Founder. You've seen F. 9/11, right? I seem to remember you making judgments about that. I'm guessing you saw it first, right?
EDIT: It's been brought to my attention something that I said two posts prior to this one, directed at Intrepid. This is my statement about being an athiest without having religion; and although I do agree with the premise (partially), I should not have said it and it was in the heat of debate. This is a very serious issue to me that you wouldn't believe. My apologies to you, and other athiests here, for my statement.
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I'm not sure about the Jesus thing, once again, I haven't seen it. However, I thought you were implying that it was a bad thing or something?
| Republican_Man wrote: | And Intrepid, sure there are SOME families with those things, but THIS dysfunctional, and with a PRIEST as the father and ALL these things added on to it? And just because there are SOME families with things like this DOESN'T mean that you should make a TV show about it! I mean, really!
Will and Grace and Desperate Housewives, while not good in terms of content, aren't like this. They're not taking a family of kids and things that go against the Christian faith and a "modern" and "unconventional Jesus" and a priest who's a "pill popper" and making it a TV show. Comparing the two just can't be done.
I suppose you just don't understand the morals and values of a great deal of Americans, now do you? You clearly don't understand in the least bit. But that comes from being an athiest, with no religion in site.
This show is only adding to our dark path and a secular future. It's not good, and you seem to not understand this at all. I feel sorry for you, really. |
Why not make a TV show about it? It's a very real part of our world, why should we try and cover it up? It's not as if they're supporting it. If anything, we can see how badly this family is acting and not want to follow through with it ourselves.
Will and Grace and Desperate Housewives are both shows that face these issues, sure they aren't all combined into one show, but they're still present. That's why I bring it up. Shows such as Six Feet Under, Queer as Folk, and the previous two are some of the highest rated and most award-winning on TV. I guess America can handle it.
And I really do have a better understanding of the "morals and values of a great deal of Americans" than most. Just to let you know.
Edit: thanks for that.
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No I haven't seen Farencrap 9/11. But I don't need to, to know that it is leftist propaganda. Not to mention, I've read about its "facts" on the internet. None of them hold any weight. Then I heard about how several people in the movie said Moore edited what they said. I won't put any money into Jabba the Hutt's pocket.
A more modern Jesus? I don't know what that means either.
Thats one of the few things bothering me though. If they depict Jesus as some *beep* addict, I will abhor the show.
As for the other things in it? Doesn't really bother me. Honestly? I think the Christian part is just a plot point. It adds to it. Nothing more really. I don't think the show is pushing on how bad the life of a Christian really is and how you shouldn't be one.
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To be honest, I don't think you do, because we don't like all those things combined into one. But I'll drop that contention. You're negating the "modern and unconventional Jesus" stuff, in its entirety, AND the fact that its a family of a priest father with all these troubles. You don't throw all these things into one show. Have a show that involves an episode with something about this. Have the daughter's friend sell drugs, humorously, but teach a good lesson. Have this and that thrown in there (but NOT the religious stuff)--that's better than shoving it down throats each episode.
It has so many things that are part of a completely secular society that its disgusting. It shows how down our culture and morals, as a nation, have gone. This is even more evidence of the rise of secularism in the US, and the decrease of morality--something I've been talking about, both at STV and elsewhere, for some time now.
There is NO REASON to throw all these things into a show. NO REASON at all. You don't understand my position, though, so in all honesty, I might as well regret starting this topic and stop posting. I don't mean to be mean, it's just that I see you not understanding AT ALL where those with family values--a far larger portion of America than you believe--and morals, and myself, are coming from. It's just a pointless debate. You just don't understand. (Again, really, not to be mean--it's just fact.)
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| Founder wrote: | | No I haven't seen Farencrap 9/11. But I don't need to, to know that it is leftist propaganda. Not to mention, I've read about its "facts" on the internet. None of them hold any weight. Then I heard about how several people in the movie said Moore edited what they said. I won't put any money into Jabba the Hutt's pocket. |
Well then you can't be harping on me for making a pre-judgment, after all the things I've read and heard. I saw F. 9/11, and didn't need to. I doubt I'll see this, but I don't need to, nor should I. It goes against EVERY GOD DAMN THING I BELIEVE IN!!!! Do you guys not understand this!!! For Christ's sake! (pardon the pun) Why in the world do you think I'm opposed to it!!
::stands back and breaths:: I'll wait a few minutes before saying anything else, so that I don't lead to another ban...
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Isn't a boycott illegal? It is here in Oz.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Founder wrote: | | No I haven't seen Farencrap 9/11. But I don't need to, to know that it is leftist propaganda. Not to mention, I've read about its "facts" on the internet. None of them hold any weight. Then I heard about how several people in the movie said Moore edited what they said. I won't put any money into Jabba the Hutt's pocket. |
Well then you can't be harping on me for making a pre-judgment, after all the things I've read and heard. I saw F. 9/11, and didn't need to. I doubt I'll see this, but I don't need to, nor should I. It goes against EVERY GOD DAMN THING I BELIEVE IN!!!! Do you guys not understand this!!! For Christ's sake! (pardon the pun) Why in the world do you think I'm opposed to it!!
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With all due respect, please do not take the name of my God in vain. Thanks. 
You may have read a lot, but you already admitted that you do NOT know much about the Jesus part. That is the part I am debating.
I understand why you find this bad, but since we don't know how much it will center around them being "Christians", then we can't make judgements on it. So far it has the POTENTIAL to be bad, I agree. It will also fuel the athiest fire on "Look how Christians live! They deal in pot and have sex a lot!!!" But if the basis of their argument is a fictional tv show. Well...thats just sad.
No you can't compare this with what I read about farencrap 9/11. Because I didn't make a judgment on it, until AFTER it came out. Not to mention, LONG after it came out and I heard what the movie was about.
Besides certain sites have each scene by scene.
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No, I understand where you're coming from, I really do. As I said earlier. I simply don't agree. As Founder said, him being a priest is just as much a plot point as anything else. Why should it stand out anymore or less? I could just as easily say that you don't understand my point,
And I've attended Catholic school for nearly my entire academic life, I'm pretty sure I do understand your "morals and values."
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | Isn't a boycott illegal? It is here in Oz. |
Nah, boycott is our middle name,
I think the show would offend me. Therefore, I won't watch it. Well, mainly because I don't get NBC, (don't ask). If I did, perhaps I'd watch it a few times, and judge it from there. But just because it offends me means that others can't view it? Nah, that's not up to me, now is it? Like has been said, priests, etc... are people too. They make mistakes, too. They also don't rule their families with an iron fist, and have perfect children and spouses. Maybe showing this would make the next "scandal" not so scandalous, and more human?
Do I think that they are going overboard with the families issues? Jeez yeah.
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