Robertson suggests God smote Sharon

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

RM, were your last two posts in response to mine? I'm not quite sure, but, if they were, I gotta take exception on two grounds:

1) The "bad person" thing - Like I said, I wasn't sure if what you wrote was in reply to my post, but, if it was, my remarks were about Robertson's statement, not Robertson himself. (It's true that I have a low opinion of Robertson, but I purposely only remarked on the quote in question.)

2) The article from CBN - what's your point? No one here has denied that Robertson has always been a supporter of Israel - that's not in question. (His objections were to thewithdrawal of Israeli settlers from Gaza, after all. He thinks Israel SHOULD be there.) It also could be true that he found Sharon an agreeable guy on a personal level. That doesn't take away from the fact that his comments were judgemental and unfeeling. The objections on the political scale, in fact, were not based on a left-wing agenda, unless you attribute such an agenda to the White House and the Bush Administration - because Bush vocalized his dissatisfaction with RObertson's words quite clearly. His administration BACKS Sharon's efforts toward peace, and backs Israel, after all.

And, anyway, what ELSE would you expect CBN to say?!

(Oops - it took me so long to write this, that "your last two posts" is no longer accurate - but I'm sure you can figure out what I mean!)

Republican_Man · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:47 pm**

How many times do I have to say that I denounce and am appauled by Robertson's statements? I SAID they were DISGUSTING, which they were, IN THE BEGINNING. I was just pointing out, I think, that there was more to it than that and that I think he sincerely believes, from the Bible, that what's going on in Israel is wrong. I wholeheartedly disagree with him, however. Doing this is not dividing the land or anything, because the Muslims are still God's people.

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

RM, hang on - you made it VERY clear that you renounce Robertson's statements - and if you reread what I wrote, I think you'll see that I was 1) objecting to your implication that I said Robertson was a "bad person," (if, indeed, you were directing that post to me, which I said I wasn't sure of) and 2) asking what point you were trying to make with the CBN thing. That's it. I wasn't accusing you of anything, so please chill a bit and, if you care to, give my posts another try.

Republican_Man · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:55 pm**

At least some of what you said in number II ("The objections on the political scale, in fact, were not based on a left-wing agenda, unless you attribute such an agenda to the White House and the Bush Administration - because Bush vocalized his dissatisfaction with RObertson's words quite clearly. His administration BACKS Sharon's efforts toward peace, and backs Israel, after all. ") seemed to be directed at me. If they weren't, my apologies. But I want to make it extra clear again.

I still like Robertson, and have some respect for him, but I, frankly, am APPAULED by his statements.

Founder · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:57 pm**

I just wanted to comment on one thing. Before people think Robertson is an evil Christian who "hates Jews", Robertson was cited as saying that Sharon was a compassionate and good man. I saw it on an article on Yahoo news. I'll try to find it, so it be a source.

Not to say that what he said was wrong and stupid.

Cathexis · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:58 pm**

lex · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 226

Founder · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:05 pm**

Republican_Man · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:07 pm**

Cathexis · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:13 pm**

Yah, Andy Rooney? No respect for that man whatsoever....he makes me sick with all the junk he spews....

Anyway, Robertson really needs to watch out about the comments he makes. And I agree with you RM, on his lack of thoughtfulness. I'm sure he'll make it right, though. He seems to be a man of principles.

Republican_Man · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:16 pm**

Exactly. One day he'll probably realize that he was wrong, being the man he is, and do something about it. I mean, I'm sure there's more to it, if he really likes Sharon, like said. As I said, caught up in the moment or something? I don't know. But it was very wrong of him to say what he did. But when you say something about someone you really like that's incredibly negative, it comes back like a boomerang, and you tend to react to it in a different way than when you made the comment.
It's just something I've noticed, through my own life and experiences.

Cathexis · **Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:24 pm**

Theresa · **Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:40 pm**

Israel is cutting all ties w/ Robertson. Apparently they found him rather offensive.

Republican_Man · **Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:55 pm**

I can see why, and it's justified. I just wish Robertson would do more than he has, as I have expected...

Republican_Man · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:50 pm**

Well, good news. He made a really nice letter of apology which he wrote to Sharon's son, so...

Here's the letter:
Page I
Page II

This is good to hear. I knew he would do the right thing.

IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:55 pm**

It still seems like he's just trying to save face. I suppose it would be easy in a perfect world to be able to do whatever you want, apologize, and then just continue along as if nothing happend. Too bad.

Republican_Man · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:59 pm**

No, no, no. I really think he was sincere. Did you read the letter? He acknowledges that it was wrong, discusses why he did say what he said, talked about his relations with Sharon, and is a Christian pastor.
I am wholeheartedly convinced that he is absolutely sincere with this letter, and I don't see how you can't see that. I'm glad he finally did what he did as well. It was the right thing to do.

charlie · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:26 pm**

Everyone judge Robinson to easily and he is human just you all. Maybe what he said was not right but who are you to judge him? He is too old and he is getting in more into politics than he is the word of God. In my honest opinion, he shouldn't worry too much about politics. Unless he is going to run for something. I am not saying what he said was right or wrong. We all are human and say things we should not say. Yes, he should have thought before he opened his mouth. I tell Deb that all the time. Think of what you say first and she will learn one day.

No, I am not attacking my wife. Just an example because I know she gets upset easily, and say things she shouldn't. Pat should have been more careful cause he knew the media will be up in his face about all of this.

IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:38 pm**

Yep, I read the letter. He's apologized multiple times for multiple inappropriate statements. First time someone apologizes, sure. Second time, okay. Third time, erm? How many times should he be allowed to say whatever he wants and then get away with an apology?

How convenient.

The fact that he says that he's a lawyer, even though he never passed the bar is just hilarious.

TrekkieMage · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:47 pm**

I'll believe he's sincere if he is more careful about what he says from now on. Although I will concede that it was considerate of him to do.

Founder · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:47 pm**

Thats kind of unfair isn't it? If you say something stupid then you're an ignorant person. Then when you apologize for it, you're still not forgiven and are "unsincere". I'm starting to see a bias here...

Republican_Man · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:49 pm**

Here is a good reason to forgive him: although he says the occasional radical thing, he tends to apologize for it afterward and is still a loyal man of God.

IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:58 pm**

Maybe it's just me then, but for some reason I think that after having to publically apologize for like 5 different things is a tad excessive.

Republican_Man · **Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:05 pm**

It's not like they're clumped together. Sure, this and the Chavez comment weren't too far off, but at least he had a point with the Chavez comment.
Yes, he needs to think before he says things, but I think now he will do that. Yes, one could have said that a while back, but now I think he gets the message.

When he apologizes sincerely, and being the man of God that he is, I'll take his word for it. I've watched Robertson a number of times, and have grown to like and respect him. Yes, it's gone down a little bit with all these controversies, but nonetheless...I think he can be forgiven and should be forgiven.
Sure, he needs to watch what he's saying, but at the same time, I think he knows when he's done wrong and is sincere about it, and that's what counts, doesn't it? Someone may say a stupid or wrong comment, but their apology shows you something about them and their character (that is, usually; sometimes there are bogus ones, but I don't see this as one of those instances).

EDIT: If you want to complain about anyone for saying something radical, you should really be complaining about Harry Belefonte. I mean, saying that your own President is the world's worst terrorist--and more than once! AND saying it in the presence of an enemy of our country! He's appauling!

Kasey · **Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:32 am**

I was taught that we all for short of the glory of God and he picks us back up. I think he was sincere and should be forgiven. If we don't forgive him then what are stooping to? We are not better than him and he is not better than us. He is human and I agree with Charlie on this one. It maybe a bit a bit excessive to those who really don't know him. I don't know him but I forgive. I don't want unforgiveness on my conscience. I was raised better to hold a grudge against someone. It is not worth the trouble. Just turn the other cheek and move on. I Pray that he does not do it again.