Iranian President Calls Holocaust a 'Myth'

[Republican_Man]

This is something we can all agree on, for sure. This is SICKENING. What an IDIOT.

[Theresa]

I was wondering if someone was going to post this. And our leader is a slime? Hellooooooo...

[lex]

This is amazing. But, sadly, in some countries, media, textbooks, and the like are so much under the control of the government, that people will believe something even so outrageous and so blatantly disregarding of historical fact, to be the truth.

What a jerk.

[Republican_Man]

A couple weeks ago a Fox News reporter reported, every day for one week, her time IN IRAN. She was actually allowed to spend some time in Iran and met with Iranians and the like. They don't like the Iraq War, most of them, yet, actually, the majority of them DO like the US--particularly the youth. Most of them are smarter than this, I believe. And most of them do, in fact, like the US--which tells you something about their country. And most of them do, in fact, want Democracy. That's why there's a quiet little movement been a-brewin' since the invasion.

[Founder]

I read about this earlier. I think it is foolish to say the Holocaust was a myth. BUT I do find myself in agreement that it was the GERMANS who murdered all those Jews. Not to say Middle Eastern, American, and countless others did not. But to steal Muslim land and give it to the Jews is screwed up...

[Tyvek]

just goes to show how stupid some people can be... not to mention heartless

[WeAz]

This guy is definetly an idiot for denying the holocaust, but i agree with him on one count. Why did we drop all the displaced Jews in the middle of a highly contested reigon?

[Republican_Man]

Do a little more research on Israel, will you all?

EDIT: Check this out. It's from my Human Geo teacher--given he's Jewish and admittedly biased on this matter, but this is strictly factual. It's a powerpoint presentation that I suggest you all check out, if it works. It was part of our Political Organization of Space unit. It lays down the history of Israel.
Here.

[borgslayer]

The jews have been living in Israel since the Roman Empire ruled it. The time of Jesus Christ. Now the holocaust was about the German invading Poland and some neighbooring countries and placing all jews found in Death Camps.

That is the story and the Holocaust survivors went everywhere not just back to Israel. Some went to the U.S. and Canada and some stayed in Europe.

The fact is the Iranian president is totally crazy psycho and he needs to be removed from power.

[Founder]

[lex]

[Republican_Man]

Actually, as the PowerPoint shows, there was a majority Jewish population and a majority Muslim population, which they divided, making Jerusalem an international city. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way.
And I'm well away that the Israelis are somewhat at fault as well, even though the Palistinians are carrying out horrible terrorist acts against them. My friend converted me from being a full supporter of Israel to liking it a bit better than the Palistinians--but not too much, as most Palistinians are decent people. It doesn't seem like you really know much of the history about it, actually, though, even though the history doesn't, as you say, change the fact that the Israelis treat the Palistinians poorly. But look at what's going on there now. Progress between both groups, now that the evil Arafat--bent solely on the destruction of Israel--is dead.
But it's not simply the Israelis that treated them wrongfully, if you look at the history there. It's also the surrounding Arab states, who refused to accept them to society, but forced them to live in refugee camps there as well. So, let's keep an open mind. I did, and that's why I'm not nearly as pro-Israel as I was before. I don't like how they treat the Palistinians, even though I dislike the terrorism even more. But looking at the history of Israel, however, I do think that Israel and the expansion are justified (I mean, they took land during a war, for instance, and started out solely with the majority Jewish area. Logical.) You don't know as much about the history as you think, Founder Please, do read the PP.

[Founder]

I did read it and it did not conflict with what I said. There is a reason the Muslims (from all the Middle Eastern nations) are angry about this other than anti-semitism. The UN clearly gave them that land. It even states it in the almighty power point. Not to mention, even if it was a mix of Jews and Muslisms, the Arabs rejected the idea. To which the UN ignored and still brought tons of Jews there and helped set the nation. Also, certain nations loaded Isreal up with weapons to ensure the Arabs can't take their lands back. There is a reason 800,000 Arabs left and it wasn't because they were being treated nicely.

[Republican_Man]

Well, how do you expect them to react? "Oh, yes, great! Jews, Jews, one and all, come to Palestine! Welcome, welcome!" No, of course not! There is a long history of conflict in that region, particularly amongst Jews and Muslims even before the creation of the state of Israel.
There were two states created, as you know--one with a Jewish majority--almost all Jewish--and one with a Muslim minority--almost all Mulsim/Arab/Palistinian. So, what's wrong with letting the Jews have their own state, especially after the Holocaust? Nothing. Absolutely nothing, especially since it was originally JEWISH-MAJORITY LAND. It became what is called a nation-state, and justifiably so. It was majority Jewish, with them dominating a good amount of land, so why couldn't they have the land? Because Arab states, who weren't treating them the best from the start anyways, were opposed to it? Well, what do you expect?
If it was a good-size region of mostly Jewish people, why shouldn't they have been allowed to create their own nation-state? Just because the surrounding Arab states were, naturally, opposed to the creation of a Jewish state there doesn't mean that it shouldn't have been created. And the reason why more land was taken was the Arabs' fault. You go to war to attack a country and they retaliate and take control of more land--that's war. You invade a country, they retaliate, they seize more land--expect it.
It was justified that a Jewish state be created where it was, and the original UN plan was a good one; however, because of the reaction of neighboring states, it didn't turn out that way, because they invaded and Israel ended up winning and seizing more land.
Now, how they treated the Arabs after getting their state and still treat them now--even though they are on the verge of becoming their own state--is a whole other story. I don't like how the Palistinians reacted to what they did, but I also don't approve of, or condone, the actions of the Israelis towards the Palistinians after gaining more control of the region. They were wrong to do that, and still remain wrong in doing many of the things they do now, in terms of treatment.
Now, though, it's really about either destroying Israel or trying to make peace. I prefer the latter of the two options.
And OF COURSE, finally, other states would give Israel weapons. They would have all been anialated had they not! So, yeah, I see no problem with that. I do, however, once again, concede to you that the treatment of the Israelis of the new nation of Palestinians was wrong, and they should have been kinder. But in terms of the creation of the state of Israel, and its expansion, I feel that it was justified.
Oh, and keep in mind that Palestine--what it was leading up to the resolution--was a BRITISH COLONY, so it was even MORESO within their rights to create Israel.

[CJ Cregg]

[Republican_Man]

Done

[WeAz]