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PostFri Mar 18, 2005 7:13 pm    What's the point of the transporter pad?

I was wondering, why is there a transporter pad if we can transport without it? I mean you can beam someone directly to sickbay if they are injured on an away mission.

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PostFri Mar 18, 2005 7:25 pm    

I think it gets rid of the need of "locking on" to a signal. With the pad they can simply beam off whatever is standing there. It makes it a lil easier on the Transporter Chief. I could be wrong about this though.

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PostFri Mar 18, 2005 7:44 pm    

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Yes that is correct. It is also much safer and faster. When a transporter pad is used it is mainly an emergency transport where it's not possible to get to a transporter pad.



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PostFri Mar 18, 2005 8:37 pm    

in emergencys the pads are still used u can see from the shape but the destination changes. Id say using the pads are lest costly inpower and resources

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PostFri Mar 18, 2005 10:28 pm    

interesting, i've always wondered about that, i think there is a book that explains everything though


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PostSat Mar 19, 2005 4:58 am    

Yeah, it is probably easier and safer. In the Enterprise episode "Civilisation" they beam an anti-matter reactor up from the surface of the planet onto the transporter pad, then they beam it into space. Transporters probably weren't advanced enough to transport stuff around without using the pad at that time.


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PostSat Mar 19, 2005 2:17 pm    

Lord Borg wrote:
Id say using the pads are lest costly inpower and resources

You're right. Site-to-site transport actually consists of two separate transports, standard (pad-based) transport is just.. well.. a single transport.


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PostWed Mar 23, 2005 12:27 pm    

Okay two things, first shouldn't this be in Star Trek Tech?

Second, In site to site transports, do they have to beam any of the people from point a to the pad then to point b or does it go stright to the other location?


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PostThu Mar 24, 2005 1:17 am    

[moved to star trek tech from GSTD. about technical stuff. jad.]


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PostThu Mar 24, 2005 4:08 pm    

chakotay99 wrote:
Okay two things, first shouldn't this be in Star Trek Tech?

Second, In site to site transports, do they have to beam any of the people from point a to the pad then to point b or does it go stright to the other location?

It indeed works like, A to pattern buffer to B. The pattern buffer is located near the pad.


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chakotay99 wrote:
Okay two things, first shouldn't this be in Star Trek Tech?

Second, In site to site transports, do they have to beam any of the people from point a to the pad then to point b or does it go stright to the other location?


they would be transported from their position to the transporter buffer and then to their destination. with a transport using the transporter pad it goes straight to the transporter buffer over to destination.



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PostThu Mar 31, 2005 10:29 pm    

What is a transporter buffer?

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PostThu Mar 31, 2005 10:56 pm    

The Transporter buffer also know as the pattern buffer. here what it does:

The pattern buffer is a key component of the transporter system. The buffer is used to temporarily store the matter stream, following dematerialisation, but prior to sending the stream to its target. This is done because of the relative motion of transporter and target. By temporarily storing the matter stream the Doppler compensators have the time to adjust the targeting scanners.

A matter stream cannot be stored indefinitely in the buffer, after 420 seconds the stored pattern will degrade and the object will lost. The only known record of a person surviving in a buffer longer than the expected figure was Captain Montgomery Scott onboard the USS Jenolan. Following the Jenolan's crash-landing on a Dyson sphere, Scott, with the help of Matt Franklin, was able to store his pattern in the buffer for 75 years. This was achieved by disabling the rematerialisation subroutine, connecting the phase inducers to the emitter array, bypassing the override, and locking the buffer into a continuous diagnostic cycle. Although Captain Scott's pattern suffered less than 0.003% degradation, and was successfully recovered by Geordi La Forge of the USS Enterprise-D, Franklin was irretreivable, as one of the inducers had failed, causing a 53% degradation in his pattern.


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PostThu Mar 31, 2005 10:56 pm    

chakotay99 wrote:
What is a transporter buffer?


The pattern buffer is a key component of the transporter system. The buffer is used to temporarily store the matter stream, following dematerialisation, but prior to sending the stream to its target. This is done because of the relative motion of transporter and target. By temporarily storing the matter stream the Doppler compensators have the time to adjust the targeting scanners.

A matter stream cannot be stored indefinitely in the buffer, after 420 seconds the stored pattern will degrade and the object will lost. The only known record of a person surviving in a buffer longer than the expected figure was Captain Montgomery Scott onboard the USS Jenolan. Following the Jenolan's crash-landing on a Dyson sphere, Scott, with the help of Matt Franklin, was able to store his pattern in the buffer for 75 years. This was achieved by disabling the rematerialisation subroutine, connecting the phase inducers to the emitter array, bypassing the override, and locking the buffer into a continuous diagnostic cycle. Although Captain Scott's pattern suffered less than 0.003% degradation, and was successfully recovered by Geordi La Forge of the USS Enterprise-D, Franklin was irretreivable, as one of the inducers had failed, causing a 53% degradation in his pattern. (TNG: "Relics")

On Galaxy-class starships the pattern buffer is located immediately beneath the transporter pad.

Starships can also transfer patterns from one pattern buffer to another by 'locking on' to the target buffer and energizing. (VOY: "Future's End, Part II")

Retrieved from http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Pattern_buffer


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PostThu Mar 31, 2005 11:33 pm    

if anyone knows about any books about this topic please tell me, because i remember seeing one when i was in like 6th grade but i was too young to understand it

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PostTue Dec 13, 2005 7:59 pm    Lt Cmdr Murray

In the early days, they needed the pad, but as the technology advanced through the years, that necessity to beam the person to the pad then to the sick bay vanished.

That's why they are able to use site to site transporting.


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PostWed Dec 14, 2005 2:54 am    

The transporter pad also reduces the amount of energy it takes to transport. While "site to site" transporting requires more power, but as long as the Warp Core isn't damaged, then it's not like the power can't be replaced almost as quickly as it was used.


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PostWed Dec 14, 2005 2:55 am    

The transporter pad also reduces the amount of energy it takes to transport. While "site to site" transporting requires more power, but as long as the Warp Core isn't damaged, then it's not like the power can't be replaced almost as quickly as it was used.


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PostWed Dec 14, 2005 2:57 am    

sorry for the double post. I don't know why it did it!


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PostWed Dec 28, 2005 1:53 am    

voyager2004 is right, if you use the pad, it is far less costly on resources, i have also learned that if any transport is made through the pad, all records are properly kept, such as the medical state of the being before and after transportation.


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PostSat Dec 31, 2005 10:15 pm    Lets clear something up

Transporters work like this:
1: you stand on the pad (or get locked onto)
2: the annular confinement beam locks your body into suspended animation
3: the molecular imaging coils make a "picture" of your body
4: the phase transition coils perform dematerialisation
5: the pattern is stored in the pattern buffer until the destination can be confirmed by the ships computers, this only takes a few seconds
6: the process is completed in reverse to re-assemble a person within the ACB on a planets surface.

so it is the ACB and NOT the transporter pad that is needed for the transport. it is just more power efficient to use the transporter pad, it uses more power to beam through a wall or something. so you DONT need a transporter pad, but it is more efficient to HAVE a transporter pad.

I imagine you look like this right now:


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PostWed Jan 04, 2006 12:37 am    

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5: the pattern is stored in the pattern buffer until the destination can be confirmed by the ships computers, this only takes a few seconds


I think this step goes faster than just a "few" seconds. Because the destination has to already be confirmed. You don't want to put the user in suspended animation and THEN confirm their destination. You want to confirm the destination THEN suspend the user. Just my opinion.

Otherwise, I think that's a VERY simple explanation as to how it works, thought it's probably very more thorough than what you have listed.



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PostThu Feb 09, 2006 9:24 pm    

By confirmed, i mean that the computer checks to make sure that you are not beaming into a solid wall, and that the destination is safe for the person to beam to.
I mean, chief o'brien could technically beam someone into a position 50 metres off the ground, the computer just makes sure that the destination is safe for transport.
And if you really want to get technical, the transporters are able to do a blind-beam in which the beamout is much faster and the destination is not confirmed by the computer. But this requires a security code.



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PostThu Feb 09, 2006 10:02 pm    

I'm sure it could happen like that, with a security code and all...

but like I said, all these processes have to be so quick and within nano-seconds anyway, it's not like the beam out is slow...it would probably take more time to put in the code if there is one to do such a thing than to just beam them.



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PostTue Feb 21, 2006 7:59 pm    

I also think that the transporter terminal knows who is entering the commands so it would probably not need a code if someone of high enough security clearence where performing the beamout.
Like in the episode where Data beams Lore into space he never enters a code but the computer doesent flag him that the transport might not be safe.

Imagine O'Brien accidentally beaming an ambassador into another vessels warp core by mistake, that is why the process takes a second to verify the destination.



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