Saddam Tells Judge: 'Go to Hell'

[Founder]

And...why does Saddam deserve to be treated fairly again? Is it because he told the Muslim world to rise up against the US or because he commited genocide? I don't think torture is good, but I won't break my back to help Hitler like men gain "kindness".

[Lord Borg]

[Republican_Man]

Remember his prisons? Yeah, probably not. Compared to them, what he's getting is a pinch.

[Puck]

As a Catholic Christian, yes, I believe that every single person who has ever lived deserves basic human dignity. As I said, this is my personal belief that has developed because of my faith in the Catholic Church, which teaches that all human beings were created by God himself, and in God's image. Therefore, no matter how disgraceful or shameful, or disgustingly low they might be, it is wrong to take away their basic dignity. Saddam treated others inhumanely, and now suddenly, we believe this makes it ok to treat him the same way? To me, that accomplishes nothing, except providing a common ground between those who believe in unfair and inhumane treatment and Saddam himself. It is not 'kindness' or a 'luxurious treatment', but it was what is doing what I as a Catholic believe is right.

Like I said though, these are religious beliefs, and are not really based on any legal definition or sense of 'justice', so I am sorry if that taints the debate.

[Founder]

First of all, there is no real proof Saddam is being mistreated. Not that I would care if he was. We only really have his word on it.
Second of all, Saddam violated the very "dignity" that you keep saying we all deserve. After all the grief and death Saddam has caused I think he does deserve death. Life imprisonment would be the easy way out. Now would I be angry if he lived? Not really. He can't harm anyone else while imprisoned except the memory of all those he murdered and those who died to get him there.

[Lord Borg]

Puck, While I see where your coming from, I must also point out that even if they were catholics in Iraq, which thier not, religion does not have a part in this trial, what DOES have a part, is what Andy mentioned. The horrible things the tyrant has done.

[Republican_Man]

Exactly. People like Saddam, who have no soul or at least lost it, lose their dignity when they start doing what they did. Saddam abandoned it when he started doing these horrible things in his regime. I question whether or not people like him even have a soul, as I said just a second ago.
It's what he deserves, and he's getting it. He disregarded the dignity of thousands upon thousands of humans, so he, as far as I concerned, pretty much abandoned HIS dignity and all that when he started diminishing the dignity of human life of thousands in his country.

EDIT: And you know, it's not even up to us. It's up to the IRAQIS now--the people he oppressed for more than two decades--as to what happens to him. Just as it should be. And death is what he will likely get.

[Puck]

Well, I do believe that this doctrine of the Church is not necessarily something that just applies to religon and the religious. I think that it would be a huge sign of positive growth of mankind if the entire world was to adopt this belief. I do not believe that because someone else does something bad that it is suddenly ok for me to do something bad in response. That just brings me closer to them, while at the same time, accomplishing nothing.


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Dignity is given by God to all humans. It is not something that can be forever lost or destoyed. To take it away is to stand in the way of God's plan, and is sinful.

[Republican_Man]

[IntrepidIsMe]

Wow, it's interesting to realize that I'd make a better Christian than some of you self-proclaimed Catholics.

Anyway, nobody deserves to be mistreated for any reason what-so-ever. Especially now, when the trial isn't even over. What you're offering up is pure conjecture, perhaps you've come to the decision that he's already guilty because of... the MEDIA!?!?! I'm not defending him, simply the rights that he's entitled to, as is everybody else.

[Republican_Man]

[IntrepidIsMe]

But, according to the Bible, he who is without sin should cast the first stone. I'm not the one saying that he should killed, or condemning him already. Interesting. And by the way, I'm not Christian. So yeah, that's an atheist saying he'd make a better Christian. I don't recall saying that I'm better than anybody else. Smooth, though.

How do you know it's a fact, exactly? That is, until he's found guilty on all counts. Afterall, there is a system, I believe it's "innocent until proven guilty?" So, where are you getting all the rape/torture information from? I'd assume the media announced it. I'm not saying they're wrong, I personally think that they're correct in saying that Hussein is a sad excuse for a human being. However, that doesn't mean he should be killed or that he isn't entitled to a fair trial or to not be treated justly.

[LightningBoy]

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."

I've prayed for Saddam Hussein's soul, but I still believe he should die for his crimes. It unfortunate, but it is the only answer.

[IntrepidIsMe]

Well, that's a personal issue. More power to you.

[Republican_Man]

Hey, you know what I love? I just thought of this. Some of you who are against Saddam's execution--after he did horrible things that deserve it--and at the same time are fine with keeping abortions legal, that is overly hypocritical. In some cases it's that you think that your personal beliefs shouldn't prevent a woman from having the "choice" to kill the fetus, and yet with Saddam you think that your personal beliefs should get in the way. Now, regardless of how you support abortions, I don't get how you can say on one hand that an unborn baby who did NOTHING wrong except become conceived should be allowed to die, and yet a brutal, murderous, torturous dictator shouldn't be allowed to die. How the heck do you figure that out? It's hypocritical contradictions, if you ask me.
Now, if you're consistent for both issues, okay, that's fine, I suppose. But if you're not...I just think that it's maddeningly ridiculous to say the one and the other at the same time.

[Founder]

[IntrepidIsMe]

In all my past posts on abortion I've said that the only case in which I'd support a woman having a choice is if the mother is in danger of death. I'd never tell someone that they have to die for someone else. However, the laws are what they are, and they have to be upheld. Oh well.

[LightningBoy]

[Republican_Man]

[Lord Borg]

Allright, lets not turn this into attacks on someone, back on topic please.

I can on one hand, see that better treatment to saddam, would show to him that we, are better then him. ON the Otherhand, It is up to the people that suffered under his repression for years.

[IntrepidIsMe]

[Republican_Man]

((By the way, I haven't been so furious at anyone or anything as I just was, and still am, at you're comments, Intrepid, since I was last banned from STV. Actually, I'm far more angry. Almost as angry as Dirt's Hitler thing. Not quite, but almost. I've never been so offended in an even much longer time.))

I agree with the latter statement. Anyone who agrees with everything their president says is just crazed.
Secondly, Saddam is NOT being denied his rights, and HAS NOT been denied his rights.
And Founder's right, overall.

[Founder]

[IntrepidIsMe]

[Founder]