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B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9
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 Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:02 pm |
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pffft i could care less about Cayce. Believe away. I'm not going to worry about what others say, think, or predict. It doesn't help me in anyway to believe him or not, so i'm just gonna pass  !
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:28 pm |
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That's fine. What I meant was you completely disregarded all possibility of psychics, but yet offered no explanation as to how he predicted things so accurately.
To all who don't believe he was psychic or anything, do you have a logical explanation for it? If so, I would like to hear it. It might just change my mind.
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lex
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:50 pm |
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RM, I was just wondering if you'd gotten a chance to read what I posted earlier in this thread, and, if so, whether you had any thoughts on the subject.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:58 pm |
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| lex wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | I'm really trying to have a dialogue about this--seriously. I was very intrigued ... |
It's an interesting subject, for sure. RM, I wonder if, in your recent thoughts about the validity of prophecy, etc., you've had any ideas about its inevitability. For example, is there more than one way in which a prophecy can be fulfilled, or is the entire train of events leading up to the predicted happening "set?" Can a foretold event be prevented - can humans change the course of prophecy?
Also, what are your thoughts (or anyone's) on whether prophecy is a gift or a curse?
LOL, no pressure, now! I'm only throwing out some questions for discussion, not because I expect you to come up with a "right answer!"  |
That's an interesting question. No, I don't think it's inevitable--at least with the exception many of Cayce's 14000 predictions. Most of his prophecies I sure as heck don't think they were inevitable, but I'll elaborate further on that later. There's one thing we can still do. We can change the future. Cayce even aknowledged and discussed that. Jedi Master Yoda said in Episode V, "Always in motion is the future." I think it's true. We always have the chance to alter the future. Everything isn't set in stone. But when we don't do anything, it may very well be inevitable. It's another temporal paradox thing, I think, which always gets me confused.
But with Cayce, there's a difference. At least in many of his trances. First, he managed to, in his trance, tell doctors--including the doctor treating him--exactly how to treat their patients and with what materials. And he didn't even have any prior medical knowledge.
Also, he lead oil companies--like Nelso Rockefeller's, I believe--to the exact locations to find oil. And not only that, but he gave it in startlingly EXACT detail. I don't think that that was necessarily inevitable.
Also, he told people, before he decided to have questions screened ahead of time, what horses to bet on, etc. And he was right, and people became rich off of him. Even former US government personell came in.
He also forsaw Germany's rise to power 4 years before the war and warned the world to watch them closely and be ready to take action.
And he also forsaw the Stock Market Crash, telling some people that they should sell their stocks now, because something bad was going to happen. He also prophesized the end of the Depression with accuracy. AND he predicted other things as well that have sense proved true.
While many of those are inevitable, to hear him predict such things and them come true? There's gotta be something there, I'm convinced.
Now, on the gift question? I think it's both. I think that it really depends on how the person uses it. I mean, Cayce--the only psychic I actually believe in as of now--had control over when he went into a trance. It didn't just happen. So I think if you can control it, it's a gift. But if you can't control it and what have you, then it's a curse, a burden.
There you have it.
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B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:21 pm |
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nope, i don't have a good explanation for my thinking! No need for one though. I'm free to think what i want -- reason or no reason ! People can take that or leave it... makes no difference to me!
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lex
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:31 pm |
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You know, BT7O9, I'm curious ... how come you have to flip off RM like that? He asked his questions as if he'd really be interested in your answer. Sheesh.
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B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9
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| Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:55 pm |
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i'm not flipping at all lol! Actually it was an in all sincerity a light-hearted reply! I don't have an answer to give him! I am most certainly not going to lie and make up something! I told him the truth -- that's all!
BTW -- lets get back on topic ^ This is off topic 
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Republican_Man
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Interesting. I just watched the documentary again, saw one on "Presidential Prophecies," and did a little bit of Internet searching. In note-form, here are some things that I found out/searched:
Cayce:
Austria, Germany, and Japan�and unless the divine intervenes, the world will be set on fire
Predicted Kenney�s assassination
Suggested that Nile River poured into the Atlantic Ocean; investigation proved this accurate
Time is an illusion that has purpose
Nostridamous and Cayce both shared the belief that the future can be changed
Predicted to Woodrow Wilson that his health wouldn�t get better and that he would die�which he did�and that the League of Nations would not be ratified and peace would not be succeeded, which happened
Jeanne Dixon prophesized things about China becoming communist, Russia becoming our enemy, and racial tensions in the US to FDR. And they came true. She also predicted to him his death, and how long it would be�and it became true. The White House tried to cover these readings up.
President Lincoln predicted his assassination the day before it happened.
LBJ had a dream that he interpreted said that he was in over his head, which may have caused him to step aside and not run for another term.
Robert Zoller, it seems, predicted 9/11 and the Iraq War.
http://new-library.com/zoller/features/
The Myans, like Zoller above, used the stars to determine the future, and many declarations of the end of the world involve rising sea levels and stuff that's happening today...It's intriguing.
Also, Cayce's climate change predictions (axis) coincide with what's happening now, what with the largest amount of hurricanes in history and 200 earthquakes in 6 months and all.
Judging from all I've seen, my hard-nose skepticism of proheciers (prophets) other than those in the Bible is being lifted. I really do think that the future might be able to truly be predicted in the stars and that people can be psychic and some are able to predict the future.
Some of it is a load of crock. But some it, however, I tend to believe, or am inclined to believe, or am at least inclined to consider.
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Economists and political analysts have been predicting socioeconomic trends for decades. Climatologists and ecologists have been predicting climatic and ecological trends for decades. I don't see the difference between those fellows and these "psychics," except that the pyschics are much better at marketing. As a result, they probably get invited to more parties.
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Cayce was incredibly poor throughout his entire life. He relied solely on donations. And his economic predictions were a lot more accurate and all that than an economist...especially considering he was illiterate in science, economics, and something else otherwise.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Cayce was incredibly poor throughout his entire life. He relied solely on donations. And his economic predictions were a lot more accurate and all that than an economist...especially considering he was illiterate in science, economics, and something else otherwise. |
Or did he just claim to be uneducated to further heighten the mystic of his "pyschic powers"? 
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Where's the X-Files theme when you need it?
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| Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:18 am |
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| Hitchhiker wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Cayce was incredibly poor throughout his entire life. He relied solely on donations. And his economic predictions were a lot more accurate and all that than an economist...especially considering he was illiterate in science, economics, and something else otherwise. |
Or did he just claim to be uneducated to further heighten the mystic of his "pyschic powers"? |
He would have gotten money. No, seriously, he only had an 8th grade education, grew up in a small town to tabacco farmer parents, was poor throughout his life--only accepting donation which made them wonder whether or not they would have money for groceries the next week, and seriously didn't know any better on those topics. You doubt too much of it. He really didn't know about most of the topics he had envisioned about and really did put himself in a trance in his sleep and really did successfully predict many things uncannyly.
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| Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:21 am |
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I mean, he could have made great money off of it. But he chose not to. Why is that? It could have given him great prestige.
He took a great emotional toll on his family making these prophecies and took a great physical toll on himself, especially when he started doing 8 or so a day when people came to him during WWII asking about the fate of loved ones. It caused his death.
Doesn't seem to me like he had alterior motives.
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Also, Cayce's climate change predictions (axis) coincide with what's happening now, what with the largest amount of hurricanes in history and 200 earthquakes in 6 months and all.
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Largest amoutn of Hurricanes in recorded history, there is evidence that 15,000.000 years ago there were stronger and more frequent hurricanes in the Atlantic Basin... but lok at what happened then...
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lex
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| Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:46 am |
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 5
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