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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 10:16 pm    Prophecy: From Edgar Cayce to Nostredamous to the Bible

Prophecy: From Edgar Cayce to Nostredamous to the Bible

Okay, I just watched this thing on the History Channel about Edgar Cayce, "The Other Nostredamous." It was really quite disturbing.
Okay, Edgar Cayce was a guy who grew up really weird and eventually began to place himself in a self-induced hypnotic trance (he was a psychic). In that trance he told his doctor EXACTLY what to do in every detail how to cure him from a great sickness. It worked.
He went on to tell other doctors how to heal people, truly forsee the Stock Market Crash and end of the Great Depression, forsee, truly, WWII, get people money by telling them what horses to bet on, etc (he had no control over what he answered) and they won money...He even predicted the appearance of Atlantis in 1968, and while Atlantis didn't appear, something leading to it did. And geologists found, based off of his Atlantis prophecies, a chamber deep down in Egypt (Syphis, I htink it was) which would contain documents about the ancient history of Atlantis, which was a miraculous continent of great technology, and how historical documents were also hidden in the Yucatan Peninsula. He predicted the end of the word and madeover 14,000 other readings--which most of them hold true.
It's frightening, also, when you factor in prophecies of him, Nostredamous, the ancient Mayans, and this one woman whom I forget her name who all predicted similar outcomes in the future--similar dark endings.
Also, there's a recent astrologer that was commented on that, in 1997, predicted Bush's presidency, how if America doesn't do anything (in 2000), it will face desruction, 9/11 (a catasrophic event will happen in September of 2001), and a couple others.

These are startling things. Plus this one prophet, a saint, who predicted that "The End" would occur after certain popes of the Catholic church would pass through, predicting the last several popes in great detail. It would appear that Benedict is the last of them--who had been predicted correctly, as well. Peter the Roman is to be the last, and then "The End." Is it the end of days, or the end of the Catholic church? Factoring all these prophecies of the end together, and Revelations of the Bible (analyzing it), I'd say that we may very well be nearing the end, far closer than ever anticipated in the past.

But what do you think? Could we be nearing the end of days, or am I just anxious, excited, and paranoid, like I often am after watching such things? What do you make of prophets like Nostredamous and the pshycic prophet Edgar Cayce? Is this not fascinating? How can people have these pshycic abilities? How can the future be predicted so clearly, and often turn out to be true?

And the Bible Code. Could the supposed Bible Code, which also tells the end of days to be in our day and also, like Cayce, predicted JFK's assassination, be prophetic and real as well?

What do you think about all of this? Have you thought about it in the past? If so, what are your conclusions?



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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 10:23 pm    

Oh, and btw, some of Edgar Cayce's endgame prophecies fit in with the now--rising sea levels, harsh weather in the southeast and northeast, consistent earthquakes--things that are happening now. Plus, he predicted that it would happen not long after the milenium. This is all because, he said, the Earth would be changing it's axis--which would be catestrophic.

And another question I pose to you all: do you think that anyone on this planet will truly be prepared for the end when it happens--will be able to deal with it? Will be able to deal with Revelations and different other prophecies combined that may ring true?



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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 11:13 pm    

Well, if you believe the Bible, which personally I do, it says that no one but the Father (God) knows when the world will end and when Jesus will return. So I don't know if the world will end soon, but I know I don't believe any prophesies will tell when. As for the guy, I dunno, maybe he was possessed or something. I really don't know.

And no, I don't believe in the Bible code. It's too random. You could get anything you want if you work hard enough to invent a code to say what you want it to say.


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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 11:32 pm    

Prophecies have predicted the end of the world for hundreds of years.

As a student of Nostradamus; I believe that the predictions are written so that the events cannot be properly forseen until after it happens.

I personally don't believe in the apocolypse; but hey, that's just me.


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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 11:46 pm    

luit14 wrote:
Well, if you believe the Bible, which personally I do, it says that no one but the Father (God) knows when the world will end and when Jesus will return. So I don't know if the world will end soon, but I know I don't believe any prophesies will tell when. As for the guy, I dunno, maybe he was possessed or something. I really don't know.

And no, I don't believe in the Bible code. It's too random. You could get anything you want if you work hard enough to invent a code to say what you want it to say.


He definitely wasn't possessed, I don't think. He was a very good man, truly. He gave up the profession, if you will, when people started abusing him, and then went back to it when he realized he could do good. So it was all in the interests of others. He died because, mostly, I believe, he did 7 or 8 per day at one point, for people who wanted to know about their loved ones in the war.
I think he really did have psychic powers somehow, and that he wasn't possessed, but I don't know...
Yeah, I think that the prophecies are interesting, and could be relating to what the Bible forsees. I really do think that these people were given quite a gift and could/can really tell things in the future. Whether or not they will all become true is one thing, but still. I think there are ties between many of these prophecies.
Plus, for a Saint to make such an accurate prediction that's beyond coincidence, I think that's something to show for.

And LB, the History Channel talked all about prophecies of the end of times being thought of for hundreds and thousands of years, so I know that--and I've known about that before. Heck, Daniel and Jeremiah in the Bible were written thousands of years ago, and so of course they've been predicted for such a long time. I just happen to think that some prophecies of the end of days tie into today, and that we may very well be nearing that. Which makes me, personally, just in case, want to try to fight off my own sins and not sin and be a better person and make a better life for myself now, in the cirucmstance in which these prophecies do, in fact, prove true--and not only that, but soon.
And I could agree with the Nostredamus comments of yours, but I do believe in apocolypse. Mostly what the Bible says, but I do think that prophecies of others like, say, Cayce, could tie into the expectations of the Bible. But not entirely. I do think it's interesting, though, when many of these prophecies can be compared to what's going on today.

It's freaky, though, how accurate these predictions often are...



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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 11:58 pm    

I *think* is was Nostredamus who predicted the 3 anti-christs or something.

One was a name that was very similar to Napoleon, the next was Hister (Not only is it similar to Hitler but Hitler was born in a town on the Hister river) and then the third was Usa; and well, we all know which person that is similar to.

Funny, there was no name similar to "Richard Simmons" in his predictions, though. So I suppose they were false.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 12:35 am    

Well, the end is gonna come whenever it comes...and it obviously hasn't come yet. Christians believe there's no way to predict it because only God knows when it will happen. But, come the end of days, ya can't just say "Hey, I'm not ready to be obliviated yet" or "Just five more minutes, God!"..............

I find this to be quite an interesting topic, RM, thanks for bringing it up!


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 12:42 am    

Nostradamus' anti-chris predictions are some of the most vivid predictions of all.

Regarding MABAS (the "third anti-chirst")

"His hand finally through the bloody ALUS,
He will be unable to protect himself by sea,
Between two rivers he will fear the military hand,
The black and angry one will make him repent of it."

That third line really sticks out. Baghdad is inside the firtile crescent between the Tigres and the Euphrates rivers.

Even the word MABUS...

MAbAS|SAdAM ... eh?


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 12:48 am    

I don't really take this guy, or others like him too seriously.

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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 1:06 am    

LightningBoy wrote:
Nostradamus' anti-chris predictions are some of the most vivid predictions of all.

Regarding MABAS (the "third anti-chirst")

"His hand finally through the bloody ALUS,
He will be unable to protect himself by sea,
Between two rivers he will fear the military hand,
The black and angry one will make him repent of it."

That third line really sticks out. Baghdad is inside the firtile crescent between the Tigres and the Euphrates rivers.

Even the word MABUS...

MAbAS|SAdAM ... eh?


Hm. Intriguing. That's interesting. If so, then we're even more in the end of days, if he's to be correct, and this is to be correct.
And I remember watching that on the History Channel a while back...



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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 am    

It's not certain that the third antichrist spells the apocalypse in Nostradamus' quatrians; though it does predict a 27 year world war.

It is interesting, but you do need to keep an open mind.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 8:30 am    

I firmly don't believe in prophecy. By that, I do not discount the possibility of prophecy or people being psychic. But I've yet to see someone who is actually pyschic. I do think it is entirely possible for people to make educated guesses about the future. Nostradamus was quite intelligent--all he did was embroider his with stylized writing to make it more popular. But he had nothing to lose, really, since after dying it wouldn't matter whether he was right or wrong--he'd still have this famous legacy.

In fact, I'm going to go write some quatrains and publish them right now so that my future fame is assured. Please excuse me for a moment. . . .

. . . .Okay, I'm back. Yeah, I'm quite quick.

As for the end of the world--that's a no go too. The world is not ending any time soon. The only difference between now and Nostradamus' time, or any other time in history, is that we, as a species, have an unprecedented level of social and technological development. The world has not become more dangerous--we are just far more aware of its dangers due to our better access to information and communications, and we are far more aware of how such dangers occur.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 9:11 am    

It says in the bible that noone knows but God when Jesus is coming back. He will tell his son to get my children. And Jesus will come get them. The dead in christ will rise first and those that are living and christians will go up too. Those who are not christians, will be left behind. Yes they can still be saved and ask God for forgiveness but they still have to stay left behind. Christians will be put to death if they don't take the mark of the beast.

I personally don't want to be left behind. I want to go up lol.. But, if I do, I won't get the mark of the beast.

Jesus died for us and for our sins. It will be people's turn to do the same to die for him. I would do that. But, I am planning to meet Jesus in the air. Yes, I got to change my life around completely...

Please don't think I am forcing on here ... I am just giving my views and opinions on here.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 12:47 pm    

You don't fool me, RM. This whole thread is just a social experiment.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 3:47 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
He definitely wasn't possessed, I don't think. He was a very good man, truly. He gave up the profession, if you will, when people started abusing him, and then went back to it when he realized he could do good. So it was all in the interests of others. He died because, mostly, I believe, he did 7 or 8 per day at one point, for people who wanted to know about their loved ones in the war.
I think he really did have psychic powers somehow, and that he wasn't possessed, but I don't know...


It's not like bad ppl can't pretend to be good, or act like they're good to win ppl over. But I'm not gonna go too much farther with that argument cuz I really don't know much about him.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 5:17 pm    

Hitchhiker wrote:
I firmly don't believe in prophecy. By that, I do not discount the possibility of prophecy or people being psychic. But I've yet to see someone who is actually pyschic. I do think it is entirely possible for people to make educated guesses about the future. Nostradamus was quite intelligent--all he did was embroider his with stylized writing to make it more popular. But he had nothing to lose, really, since after dying it wouldn't matter whether he was right or wrong--he'd still have this famous legacy.

In fact, I'm going to go write some quatrains and publish them right now so that my future fame is assured. Please excuse me for a moment. . . .

. . . .Okay, I'm back. Yeah, I'm quite quick.

As for the end of the world--that's a no go too. The world is not ending any time soon. The only difference between now and Nostradamus' time, or any other time in history, is that we, as a species, have an unprecedented level of social and technological development. The world has not become more dangerous--we are just far more aware of its dangers due to our better access to information and communications, and we are far more aware of how such dangers occur.


What about Cayce, hmmm? He was right on virtually every prophecy he made, and managed to tell doctors--with having no prior knowledge of the medical field--what to do to save himself and others.

webtaz99 wrote:
You don't fool me, RM. This whole thread is just a social experiment.


Huh? No, really, this is no experiment. I'm really trying to have a dialogue about this--seriously. I was very intrigued when I watched the History Channel program last night, and decided that it was worth discussion at STV.



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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 6:34 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
Plus, he predicted that it would happen not long after the milenium. This is all because, he said, the Earth would be changing it's axis--which would be catestrophic.

Cayce obviously meant the next millenium . . . or so. The next geomagnetic reversal will not happen for another 1000 to 2000 years, assuming that Earth's magnetic field continues to decay--we don't know enough about it, really, to say for sure.

Republican_Man wrote:
And another question I pose to you all: do you think that anyone on this planet will truly be prepared for the end when it happens--will be able to deal with it? Will be able to deal with Revelations and different other prophecies combined that may ring true?

This is a subject I grapple with frequently when I'm writing science fiction. It depends on the mode of extinction of the human species: will it be slow and gradual, over the course of several generations? (Eg; will we see the end?) Or will it be a sudden, swift thing?

If it is the former case, then I think that eventually humans would become just as jaded as they are to world poverty or high gas prices now. If, for some reason, we could manage to survive for the next fifteen billion years and we end up like those poor people in Stephen Baxter's Manifold series, huddling around black holes for the last warmth of the universe, then we would be utterly prepared for the eventual end.

If it is the latter case, and we become extinct at the hands of a sudden, cataclysmic event that wipes us out within, say, a generation (or less!) then I doubt we would be prepared. Humans are terribly self-centred--heck, we've got this crazy notion that someone created the universe for us! So I don't think we'd be able to accept the notion that, like the majority of species ever present on this planet, we will one day go extinct, not if it happens too swiftly for us to come to terms with the mode of extinction.


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PostTue Nov 29, 2005 8:39 pm    

LightningBoy wrote:
Nostradamus' anti-chris predictions are some of the most vivid predictions of all.

Regarding MABAS (the "third anti-chirst")

"His hand finally through the bloody ALUS,
He will be unable to protect himself by sea,
Between two rivers he will fear the military hand,
The black and angry one will make him repent of it."

That third line really sticks out. Baghdad is inside the firtile crescent between the Tigres and the Euphrates rivers.

Even the word MABUS...

MAbAS|SAdAM ... eh?


^^Yeh, except his name is spelled Saddam..two Ds.

Quite fascinating subject, really..


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PostWed Nov 30, 2005 9:48 pm    

Republican_Man wrote:
I'm really trying to have a dialogue about this--seriously. I was very intrigued ...


It's an interesting subject, for sure. RM, I wonder if, in your recent thoughts about the validity of prophecy, etc., you've had any ideas about its inevitability. For example, is there more than one way in which a prophecy can be fulfilled, or is the entire train of events leading up to the predicted happening "set?" Can a foretold event be prevented - can humans change the course of prophecy?

Also, what are your thoughts (or anyone's) on whether prophecy is a gift or a curse?

LOL, no pressure, now! I'm only throwing out some questions for discussion, not because I expect you to come up with a "right answer!"


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PostWed Nov 30, 2005 9:56 pm    

Cathexis wrote:
LightningBoy wrote:
Nostradamus' anti-chris predictions are some of the most vivid predictions of all.

Regarding MABAS (the "third anti-chirst")

"His hand finally through the bloody ALUS,
He will be unable to protect himself by sea,
Between two rivers he will fear the military hand,
The black and angry one will make him repent of it."

That third line really sticks out. Baghdad is inside the firtile crescent between the Tigres and the Euphrates rivers.

Even the word MABUS...

MAbAS|SAdAM ... eh?


^^Yeh, except his name is spelled Saddam..two Ds.

Quite fascinating subject, really..


But his predictions of Hitler and Napoleon were both cryptic misspellings of their names


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PostWed Nov 30, 2005 11:00 pm    

I know, darlin'...I'm just pulling your chain.

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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 11:31 am    

does it really matter when we know the world will end? When it's going to end, it's going to end! What are you going to try and do...? Stop it from happening? I am with a bunch of the other users who posted that "only God knows when the world will end". Good for those people that want to throw their predictions out there, and good for those who want to believe them -- i wont be one of those! Either way, we will all die someday and our own personal world WILL end. Why worry about something in the future that we can't control? Why not live your life right here in the present to its fullest? Don't worry about all the "what ifs"! Life in general is too short to be stressing over something like that. A close family i know just lost their 11 year old son. He was riding his bike home from school and was hit by a car and killed instantly. That could've been any one of us. I think there are a lot of other things we should be enjoying and worrying about -- and the end of the world is not one of them.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. And btw for the record, no i do not believe in psycics and all those people that throw out predictions and all that sort of thing.



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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 11:35 am    

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It says in the bible that noone knows but God when Jesus is coming back. He will tell his son to go get my children.


But, I also think it is important to be ready though. If anyone is not, oh boy just read revelations.


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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 6:03 pm    

B'Elanna Torres 7 of 9 wrote:
does it really matter when we know the world will end? When it's going to end, it's going to end! What are you going to try and do...? Stop it from happening? I am with a bunch of the other users who posted that "only God knows when the world will end". Good for those people that want to throw their predictions out there, and good for those who want to believe them -- i wont be one of those! Either way, we will all die someday and our own personal world WILL end. Why worry about something in the future that we can't control? Why not live your life right here in the present to its fullest? Don't worry about all the "what ifs"! Life in general is too short to be stressing over something like that. A close family i know just lost their 11 year old son. He was riding his bike home from school and was hit by a car and killed instantly. That could've been any one of us. I think there are a lot of other things we should be enjoying and worrying about -- and the end of the world is not one of them.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. And btw for the record, no i do not believe in psycics and all those people that throw out predictions and all that sort of thing.


What about Cayce, and all the things he did that got people rich and found land fills--all in a self-induced trance? I never believed in psychics until this past week. Now I think I do.
And we're not really talking about the end of the world here and what you're saying in that first paragraph. It's about prophecies--prophecies by a variety of people that predicted future--now past/present--events.



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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 6:12 pm    

Personally, I think Cayce was possessed. You can say that he did wonderful things and he probably did. But I believe Satan could have told him these things to try to gain favor for himself in some way.

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