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Republican_Man
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Chart, from the Pew Research Center, and articles from various sources (on Fox):
| Quote: | Among cable constituents, Fox News Channel was the outlet of choice among those tuning in President Bush�s address from New Orleans Thursday night.
Fox News collected some 3.92 million viewers two-plus on average between 9 p.m.-9:30 p.m., according to Nielsen Media Research data. That was more than Cable News Network (2.27 million) and MSNBC (624,000) combined.
Among the 25-54 set, Fox News� (1.2 million) edge was 110,000 of those watchers: 770,000 for CNN and 319,000 for MSNBC.
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6257840.html |
CNN flops in February as Fox News surges
And according to wikinews.org, Fox still leads CNN by 35%
Also,
CABLE NEWS RACE
THURS., OCT 27, 2005
VIEWERS
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,612,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 1,645,000
FOXNEWS BRIT HUME 1,615,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,604,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,552,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,311,000
CNN AARON BROWN 1,198,000
CNN ZAHN 858,000
CNN ANDERSON 786,000
CNNHN GRACE 724,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 494,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 469,000
MSNBC RITA 399,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 344,000
MSNBC TUCKER 296,000
Fox is still doing quite well, and still much better than CNN, even with a decline in viewership.
Ope--it looks like ALL cable news networks were down from October (even though they still lead network news by far).
From Reuters:
| Quote: | Ratings Down for Cable News Networks This Year
By Paul J. Gough
Source: Reuters
NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - Comparisons to the viewership-heavy month of October 2004 -- just before the presidential election -- led to apparent declines in viewership among the cable news channels, following an up month in September due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Fox News Channel, while down in primetime and total day as well as many of its shows, remained by far the leader in viewership in both total day and primetime. CNN was down October-to-October in primetime yet flat in total day among total viewers and some of its programs were up in primetime.
Fox News Channel averaged 1.7 million total viewers and 392,000 among the adults 25-54 demographic, down 29% in total viewers and 53% in the demo. Total day declined as well in both measures.
CNN's primetime also fell, down 21% to 824,000 and down 35% in the demo to 229,000. The network was up 1% in total day, however.
MSNBC was down 28% in primetime, losing out again to Headline News for third place (366,000 for Headline News and 359,000 for MSNBC) in total viewers although ahead in the demographic.
CNBC, after months of downward ratings, showed some signs of life on the strength of "Mad Money," its 6 p.m. ET show that has earned strong ratings. CNBC's total day viewership was up 31% to 158,000 and primetime viewership was up 2% to 132,000.
Among the broadcast networks' evening newscasts, it was another split decision: "NBC Nightly News" averaged 9.4 million viewers to ABC's "World News Tonight" average of 8.6 million viewers and "CBS Evening News" viewership of 7.3 million. In adults 25-54, ABC and NBC averaged a 2.5 rating and CBS averaged a 1.8 rating.
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Another source for same article: http://www.tv.com/story/story.html&story_id=2223 |
Let's be fair, now. All cable news networks have gone down in the last several months. Let's look at the bigger picture, shall we?
There was also great success there in June; http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/june_ratings_fncs_highest_month_of_05_23038.asp
| Quote: | | June was the highest-rated month of 2005 for Fox News. The channel still has 11 of the top shows on cable news. "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren broke all 2005 records, posting her highest viewership average of the year -- a 45% over June '04," Fox's press release says. Greta surpassed Hannity & Colmes to become the #2 show on cable news. FNC has cemented another trend: For the fourth consecutive quarter -- a YEAR -- FNC's ratings have outperformed CNN, HLN, MSNBC and CNBC combined in primetime. |
I'd find and post more, but I've been searching for most of the time since you made that post, and I've got to prepare something that I want to talk about at tomorrow's ACRMC breakfast. The Bosnia and Kosovo comparison to Iraq, so I'll find more later if I need to.
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| Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:32 pm |
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Hmmmm, so apparently Fox is rapidly falling, but still in the lead. Or at least thats what I'm seeing.
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| Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:33 pm |
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Your chart shows Republicans as the only ones who are having a growing problem with the media-Bush relations. Everyone else seems to maintain. That really doesn't say anything. Dems didn't think the media wasn't being fair to Clinton at the end, now Repubs don't think the media is being fair to Bush. Seems like a trend?
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| Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:39 pm |
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Hmmmm, so apparently Fox is rapidly falling, but still in the lead. Or at least thats what I'm seeing. |
No, my point was, if you read it all, that they're ALL falling, and Fox is still high in the lead and it's not a rapid fall now.
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| Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:47 pm |
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Hmmm, so where would that leave a person. With Fox in the lead with a conservative bias (according to liberals) and CNN falling behind with a liberal bias (according to conservatives). It seems to be evening out, either way. Although, how much of primetime news networking is really about news, as much as opinion? Very little.
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| Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:57 pm |
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I apologize for my bluntness, but anyone who doesn't see the liberalism in the American media is either blind, in denial, or lacking some kind of higher mental functions.
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| IntrepidIsMe wrote: | | Hmmm, so where would that leave a person. With Fox in the lead with a conservative bias (according to liberals) and CNN falling behind with a liberal bias (according to conservatives). It seems to be evening out, either way. Although, how much of primetime news networking is really about news, as much as opinion? Very little. |
I have several liberal friends that find Fox very fair, as well as two liberal teachers. As a matter of fact, some of them even agree that CNN is liberal biased. It clearly is liberal biased, and FOX and CNN are HARDLY evening out. They're BOTH declining, just Fox had a few rougher months is all. Fox is still quite far ahead and doing better, and my guess is that it will increase again once the elections come closer.
Fox is definitely very fair. It definitely gives BOTH viewpoints consistently and has both liberal and conservative viewers that say it's not conservative. As a matter of fact, if you look at them both, as well as MSNBC, closely, you'll see a clear liberal bias on two of them and a clear fair viewpoint--praised by Gore and Clinton in the cases of Brit Hume and O'Reilly--on Fox. However, maybe it's not absolutely fair because sometimes it's liberal biased--such as it's global warming special--and sometimes it's conservative biased. But that fact tends to balance them out, and make Fox the most balanced place on TV. My friend Kyle watches Fox only when he watches the news, and he's a self-admitted liberal who disagrees with me most of the time.
Also, Hannity and Colmes has a liberal and a conservative host. O'Reilly's smack-dab in the center, with onservatives claiming him liberal and liberals claiming him conservative (I wouldn't dare call him a conservative, and clearly with both sides calling him the opposite of them he's in the middle). Bill Clinton even once spoke good things about him. Greta van Susteran seems quite liberal to me, whenever she discusses politics (rarely), but she's pretty fair. Shepard Smith is highly fair and acclaimed. Brit Hume is incredibly fair and was praised by Gore for being fair, and his panel is always balanced. Jon Gibson is conservative, yes. That's clear in his My Word, but Greta Sustren balances him out. They're both usually quite fair, but sometimes they're on their political spectrum more than the other. Neil Cavuto's very, very fair--one of the most fair people in the news I know of--and all the Fox day show hosts prior to Smith's Studio B are incredibly fair, save one who's more liberal (forget the name) and one who's more conservative (forget the name). Plus, Geraldo Rivera is fair and more liberal on issues than conservative. And John Kasich was a Republican congressman but is a very moderate Republican who was actually against the war in the beginning. And the Fox News Watch team is balanced. Also, Fred Barnes and Mort Kondraki(sp?) of the Beltway Boys balance each other out with Conservative Fred Barnes and Liberal Mort Kondraki. The Fox and Friends cast are all fair, too. So's Brian Wilson, who often does the Weekend Live shows and fills in for Brit, and Tony Snow, who is a conservative who's filled in for Rush but, trust me, he's very fair. I have another liberal friend who likes to watch him, plus he's gotten e-mail from liberals saying good things about him. He's a star journalist. Also, the Saturday business block folks are incredibly balanced out. And so clearly FOX is incredibly balanced.
CNN, on the other hand, is not. Lou Dobbs is the only fair guy you've got over there. Larry King is a definite liberal; so's Wolf Blitzer (my moderate dad hates him)--only worse. That Carlile guy's disgusting in his reporting as well, and Anderson Cooper, while he's not TOO bad, is still quite a liberal guy. Paula Zhan's incredibly liberal, too. Her Iraq coverage yesterday, for instance, was sickening. There, that's an almost fully-biased prime-time show lineup for CNN. Oh, and I've watched CNN's American Morning before--including on the day of the first Iraqi elections. Bias, bias, bias. Again, I know liberals who acknowledge CNN's blatent bias, and my MODERATE--again I emphasize that--dad can't even stand almost all of their programs as well.
Now, finally, MSNBC. Just as bad as CNN, even though it has two "conservatives" as hosts. First, all of their during-the-day programming is horrendously left-wing. Then, Chris Matthews, host of MSNBC's biased program Hardball, is one of the worst news anchors ever. My dad used to love him and his show. Now he hates him and his show. He used to work for Jimmy Carter, and that clearly shows in his program. He's disgustingly biased, and lets it show. I clearly remember the Republican National Convention when he had Zell Miller on and LAUGHED at him when he was being serious. His show is a horribly biased joke, I can hardly stomach it when I watch it to be able to know what most liberals are watching in terms of bias in the media.
Keith Oberman's show is incredibly biased as well. His countdown...he's just so dang biased against Bush, the Republicans, Conservatives in general...I tell ya, I liked his show at first. Then, then...
Tucker Carlson is supposed to be a conservative pundit, but he's not really that conservative. It may be somewhat fair, but the programming is still formatted in a more biased way, although I do have to give it credit. Joe Scarborough's show I like to watch every once and a while because he has a good show and he's a moderate Republican and former congressman. He's definitely moderate but very fair and has balanced guests, which is good. The Abrams Report host is left-wing biased, too.
But take away those two shows and you have nothing good out of MSNBC. Nothing but horrible, horrendous bias that I just can't stand. The way they always attack Republicans, Bush, everyone aside from those two programs there is just appalling.
And then you have morning show hosts on the network news shows like Katie Kourich--ugh, Katie Kourich(sp?). My dad and I both can't stand her at all. I can hardly stand any of the morning show people. And even the evening hosts are left-wing biased, too. Even without the older guys. And don't get me started on 60 minutes...Andy Rooney and those other guys...ugh.
And then you have PBS and NPR. They're both taxpayer funded and, even though PBS is now run by a Republican, they're INCREDIBLY biased. Moyer's show on PBS, as well as the other shows, and NPR's news presentations...bias. (Btw, Fox always has NPR guys on, including the liberal Juan Williams.) Like, NPR's TAXPAYER FUNDED to spewt out this bias! NO radio station should get taxpayer money at all. We leave in a capitalist society. The government shouldn't be supporting any station like this. They might as well be supporting Air America, which, mind you, is nothing more than a joke--it's just so funny. And they're failing there, big time.
Next you have C-SPAN. I like the public services that C-SPAN gives, but their programs, when not Congress, tend to focus more on the left, which seems to me as biased.
And finally, you have the news print. There's so much there I can't even talk about it right now. The New York Times--horrible, St. Petersburg Times, LA Times--even the Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News here in Colorado. I don't have time, nor the patience, to go into detail about this, but it's no wonder people are turning to alternative forms of news. Only 1:20 is conservative, it seems... *sigh*
Therefore, I really think it's right to say that the media is overwhelmingly liberal-biased and unfair to Bush and all the Republicans. The fact that he's the one in office has nothing to do with it. It's just the way the media is.
And btw, finally. Fox is fast expanding in Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Canada, and in many other states throughout the world. Hint hint.
*fwhew* that was long.
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| Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:45 pm |
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Oh, I have no problem admitting that most of the news in America is liberally biased, that much is very clear. However, there are extreme liberals who say the exact same things about FOX as you are about CNN. It's obvious that Fox should gain popularity after the '04 election, but now that approval ratings are down, if people dislike Bush, would they want a positive spin on the articles presented about him? Most likely not.
And from the article you posted, it would appear they're evening out. If one is declining (ie FOX) and the other is rising or staying the same (ie CNN) then logical math would dictate that they're evening out...
Either way, the news is news. It's up to people how they interpret it. Obviously if you aren't all that bright, you aren't going to see bias. But if you are, then you can separate fact from opinion.
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| Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:42 pm |
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No, CNN's going down too  21%, as the article said.
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| Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:45 pm |
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It's interesting how a side always wants to paint the picture so it looks like they have it worse than the other side. "Everyone else is so terribly biased against us . . . we're so misunderstood. Perhaps people insulted you, but they insult is more!"
Rather egotistical and selfish, to claim all this abuse for oneself. 
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| Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:47 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | No, CNN's going down too 21%, as the article said. |
| Quote: | Fox News Channel averaged 1.7 million total viewers and 392,000 among the adults 25-54 demographic, down 29% in total viewers and 53% in the demo. Total day declined as well in both measures.
CNN's primetime also fell, down 21% to 824,000 and down 35% in the demo to 229,000. The network was up 1% in total day, however. |
They're evening out. One has lost more than the other, meaning the total viewership is becoming closer together, meaning they're evening out, 
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| Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:48 pm |
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I would say that 1 out of every 20 media outlets is liberally-biased, no question about it. It's clear that the Republicans get a tougher time in the media than the Democrats, and most of it is because of their bias. It's always been that way, even when Republicans aren't in power.
Despite the several days of absence of this debate, I'm tired of it. It's going nowhere now, so unless I see something worth commenting on, I'm gonna stay away from this debate now.
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