Who would you have killed off...

Star_Trek_Trivia · Senior Cadet Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 20

We were watching Star Trek Nemesis on DVD just the other day and loved it. Sure there's some things that could have been better but its still a great movie. About the ending though.... I think it was a good choice to kill Data... my S.O. isn't sure. For one, Spiner isn't getting younger and its hard to depict an android who is showing signs of aging...lol. There's always B4 should they change their minds and bring Data back after all for a future project. But what would you have done were you the writer/producer... kill Data or Picard?

Killing Picard would have been even more of a shocker in some ways but it would have been impossible to bring him back lest they do a Generations remake which would be a bad idea.

Voyager2004 · **Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:38 am**

Ya! Picard would have been a BIG shocker...And a remake would be bad.

It would have been different to see them kill off Picard, but as you said, if they wanted to, they can bring Data back through B4...b/c he started to show signs of Data's memory at the end...Picard, short of cloning him, (which is EXACTLY what he would not want to happen), wouldn't be able to be brought back, thus making it a Trek changing moment forever.

damrod · Junior Cadet Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 16

i agree that when picard was killed it would be bad because only stargate has the equipment to bring him back but picard is my favourite so i always have my opinien for this kind of topics

Leo Wyatt · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:16 pm**

yeah I agree also... But, maybe if you kill off Wesley cause he was a bit annoying.

Voyager2004 · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:51 pm**

haha!!! Wesley Crusher, aye! hehe...he was annoying...with how many times that 16 year old brat supposedly "saved the ship"...please, all those command officers and such should have been coming up with all those ideas, not some wannabe officer who hadn't even gone through starfleet training and wouldn't have a clue as to how to deal with most of the situations he "solved."

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:01 pm**

Picard. He was a terrible character.

Voyager2004 · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:05 pm**

why so?

I'm not disagreeing, but i'm definitely not agreeing...Edit "disagreeing" to "agreeing"

But I do agree there were more annoying people to kill off...

Tyvek · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:17 pm**

With the marriage of Deanna Troi and Will Riker, I think it would have been a really sad dramatic ending if Will would have been the one to die. The moment that Deanna dound out could have been a great yet really sad cinematic moment....

Voyager2004 · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:55 pm**

Oh yes...but it would take a really good actress to pull that off...I think Marina Sirtis could have done it easily...That would have been VERY dramatic...wow oh wow. to Imagine the audience's response when he died?! Wow...

IntrepidIsMe · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:08 pm**

Voyager2004 · **Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:11 pm**

lol...I thought he was good...but from what I've seen of Sisko, Janeway and Sisko I think were the best.

From the few episodes I've seen of DS9, he's a good actor, just as Mulgrew is...I haven't seen a whole lot to actually say how good he is, but he seems really good. His character seems alright...I'd say he and Janeway were the best...

But as for killing off Picard? I don't think I'd have done that. He got better as time went on...mostly just in FC...but that's just me.

Tyvek · **Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:11 am**

Star_Trek_Trivia · Senior Cadet Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 20

Killing off a character other than Picard or Data who are generally the best known and most liked just wouldn't have had the same shock effect. They could have killed Riker or Geordi or someone else and a lot of people would just take it in stride.

Voyager2004 · **Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:34 pm**

^^^I highly doubt it...

Cathexis · **Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:33 am**

Yeah, same here.......

Well.....whatever, I'm sick and tired of TNG movies..it's time for something different, no offense...I LOVED ALL OF THEM, but it's moving-on time!

Killing off Data was the predictable-yet-logical choice....isn't it strange how all of the movies seem to center around him and Picard mainly? Funny. Well, I love Data and Picard equally so..it's not so bad.

Voyager2004 · **Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:50 am**

HAHAHA^^^ OMG!!! You're right...

Generations: Data and his emotion chip, Picard and his family.

First Contact: Data and the Borg Queen. Picard and the Borg Queen.

Insurrection: Data and the Baku boy. Picard and the Baku woman.

Nemesis: Data and B4. Picard and his Clone.

Didn't think about that before...that's crazy...so, what, is the rest of the crew not worth exploring?! Sheesh...LOL...I still like TNG though...don't get me wrong...but Picard and Data are getting BORING...

Cathexis · **Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:45 am**

Voyager2004 · **Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:22 am**

hehe...thanks. You're cool too!

I love the topics here...I wish now there were a star trek site like they have for Stargate...

but that's off topic...my bad...hehe

Star_Trek_Trivia · Senior Cadet Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 20

The movies are of course about Picard and Data because they are they main driving forces of the show. Not only are they the stars of the movies but their characters are the (generally) best liked by the public. A movie that focusses on Beverly and Geordi say, will flop because non die-hard trekkies won't show up in theaters and neither will Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner.

Voyager2004 · **Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:18 am**

ya, but EVERY movie?! I don't think so. If they would have gone more in depth on the rest of the characters during the course of a SEVEN (7) season show, then it wouldn't be so "wrong" to have a movie that doesn't focus on just the SAME two people. So it's kind of the fault of the show as well.

iamthepolarbear · **Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:27 pm**

Why did they have to kill off anyone?

Voyager2004 · **Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:45 pm**

well, in all technicality, the memories that they transferred from Data into B4 were starting to manifest themselves by the end of "Nemsis." So, that means that if there WERE to be another movie, then we would have Data back. He may be lacking a few memories, but would be in the process of getting them back. But enough time has passed since the last movie that he would be FULLY Data again.

So, back to my technicality, nobody was killed off.

IntrepidIsMe · **Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:56 pm**

Still should have been Picard. At least Data was useful.

Founder · **Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:58 pm**

First of all killing off Picard would be bad, because that would be a rip off of killing a Captain. *cough*DS9*cough*. Get your own ideas TNG.

Killing Riker off after he just got married? Too depressing for ST. Again, DS9 deals with the dark and depressing side, not TNG or VOY/TOS for that matter.

The only logical choice is Data. Why? Because with Data you can bring him back in SOME way.

Think about it...

TOS: Kills off Spock, but has his body regrown through the Gensis project and his mind put into McCoy's head. So he can retrieve it later on...

TNG: Kills off Data, but earlier had his memories downloaded into B4. The movie even ends with him whistling something that Data used to. Implying that Data may come back...
They also killed off Tasha Yar. Didn't stop Tasha from coming back in an alternate time line AND as Sela. Hhmm...

DS9: Kills off Jadzia Dax, but her symbiont lived. Ezri Dax comes into the picture and a part of Jadzia lives on.
Sisko dies and joins the Prophets, but he tells Kassidy that he will return...

VOY: Gets rid of Kes, but does not kill her off. She even comes back on a later episode.

ENT: Actually kills off a character and leaves him dead.

Sadly, this is negated because it is the LAST episode where it is done...

Face it people, the Star Trek series is too SCARED too kill people off and leave them dead.

IntrepidIsMe · **Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:52 pm**

Well, you could argue the point that Sisko isn't dead, per se. Besides, Picard was useless, Riker did all the work most of the time,