Star Wars Episode III DVD (OUT!!)

Republican_Man · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:30 pm**

Not by Palpatine flying all the way to Tatooine and going into a room and impregnating Shmi without doing you-know-what. I think that there was a shism, if you will, in the Force that caused Shmi to, like Marry was when God gave her Jesus, become pregnant while still being a virgin. It was the will of the Force, and that was all.

Lord Borg · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:33 pm**

I belive that's what T said

Alucard · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:35 pm**

Wow, I would've kept that in.

Lord Borg · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:36 pm**

Yeah It is pretty interesting, but I think it's pretty obvius by listining to Palpitine talk that he has something to do with Anikins exsistance.

Theresa · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:38 pm**

Theresa · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:40 pm**

Do we still have to make these things white in quote boxes? I mean, the movie is out to buy, so, yeah.

Theresa · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:42 pm**

To add to my post in the quotes, Palpatine then went on to tell about how the Sith Lord had made the mistake of teaching his apprentice everything he knew, and then the apprentice killed him.

Lord Borg · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:56 pm**

yeah, It's also pretty obvious that Palpatine was the apprentice. He obviously got very good training, if he was able to hide his true idenity from the Jedi Council

Republican_Man · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:58 pm**

Well, if Lucas thought about it, then okay, maybe it's true. But I'm skeptical about it, because I think that it was merely the will of the Force and that it wasn't that Palpatine did it--especially since I don't see much logic in it, anyways. And especially considering that Lucas scrapped it, but that could very well be because he didn't like the idea, not because he didn't feel it important. Does IMBD have quotes or something to back it up, or is that just speculation on their part? I don't like that idea, as I think it is very illogical.

Republican_Man · **Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:59 pm**

Lord Borg · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:01 am**

Republican_Man · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:11 am**

I think that this will be the first real, honest great debate about Star Wars lore. Was Anakin created by the will of the Force, as Qui-Gon suspected, or by Palpatine?

In the book, which goes much more in-depth into Palpatine and Anakin's disccussions, Palpatine says, after Anakin says, "The chosen on..."

"Exacctly, my boy. Exactly. You are the chosen one....Chosen by me." ... "Look out there, Anakin, A trillion beings on this planet alone--in the galaxy as a whole, uncounted quadrillions--and of them all, I have chosen you, Anakin Skywalker, to be the heir to my power. To all that I am."
Anakin: "But that's not...that's not the prophecy. That's not the prophecy of the chosen one..."
Palpatine: "Is this such a problem for you? Is not your quest to find a way to overturn prophecy? Anakin, do you think the Sith did not know of this prophecy? Do you think we would simply slpeep while it came to pss?"
Then Palpatine goes on talking about fate and stuff.

Now, my interpretation of that is that Palpatine chose him, after Naboo, to be his apprentice. However, I do agree that it could be inferred that Anakin was, in fact, created by Palpatine. But I just don't see him going all the way to Tatooine and going through all this. It doesn't make sense. It's possible; I'm not denying that possibility. But I just don't see the logic in that--going way out to Tatooine and all that.
I'm open to the possibility, though, but I still find it to be a 1:2 chance at best.

Lord Borg · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:29 am**

I think Palpitine truly has something to do with anikins creation. Too many things are refernced to Palpitine for it not to be him

Republican_Man · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:32 am**

But how could one man have the power to manipulate midichlorians to create the most powerful Jedi in history (although Luke may be right there as well)? It just doesn't make sense, in multiple respects.

Lord Borg · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:34 am**

That is true. But if one could have the ability to prevent death, why not the ability to create life though will?

Republican_Man · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:37 am**

Lord Borg · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:39 am**

May just simply have something to do with the process. Like with the Midichlorians being pushed into work by the force, perhaps more then usual are used or what ever you wanna say, in Anikins creation.

Founder · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:43 am**

Palpatine has nothing to do with Anakin's birth. Thats too important to not mention in the movies.

Prophecy:

1) A vergence in the Force. Created soley by the Force.

He was created just as the prophecy said. Qui-Gon asked if there was a father to Shmi. She said there was no father. She carried him, gave birth, and raised him.

Check +

2) Must have high midichlorian count.

Obi-Wan was shocked at his count. He even remarked on that Yoda didn't even have that high of a count.

Check ++

3) Must bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.

In ROTJ he kills Palpatine and ends the Sith reign.

Check+++

Anakin WAS created by the Force. Palpatine had nothing to do with his birth. The only reason he took interest in him was because he knew Anakin was the chosen one. Something the Sith would be alarmed about. Anakin was easily impressionable and manipulated. Palpatine had Dooku when he started talking to Anakin. He wasn't really look for a new apprentince, but as time went on he grew to be closer to Anakin and realized his power. He also realized that Palpatine's influence was NEARLY equal to Obi-Wans.

Alucard · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:10 am**

Well, I'm not sure which one is right, but I'm thinking that it was the Will of the Force.

Too much evidence on that side.

Theresa · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:18 am**

I really don't care, but it is kind of interesting. And IMO, since Lucas took the time to actually write out a scene that qualifies this theory makes it at least possible.
No one knows, and I think Lucas was smart enough to leave it that way. Make people keep talking about it, and keep watching it.

Republican_Man · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:41 pm**

Yes, it's a viable theory, but I think Founder's points validate the argument against it. But yes, no one knows, but it's still a fun debate that has as much to it as certain political (religious) debates do, only on a significantly smaller scale.

IntrepidIsMe · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:38 pm**

I don't think any of these SW movies are deep enough to have any underlying themes or meanings,

They seem to be just for kids.

Republican_Man · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:47 pm**

Theresa · **Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:07 pm**

This'll probably irritate some, but I think that the Jedi were just as responsible for Anakin becoming Vader as Palpatine/Sidious was.